Bills-Chiefs AFC Championship game thread
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The Bills were playing without 2 starting DBs (Benford & Rapp) and Mahomes took advantage. That might be the biggest reason why the Chefs won.
It also looks like they do it slightly differently, with Allen taking a step back and then going to his left, while Hurts just powers straight ahead. Not a fan of the step back as it gives the DL a chance to get some penetration and blow up the LOS.
Announcer jinx hit . IIRC Bills were 28 of 30 on rush push conversions going into the game .
That ball was slammed into the ground. It was a trap. Neither player had their arm underneath. Never in the history of the NFL has a catch ruled a catch without an arm between the ground and the ball. That was slammed into the ground and New York is crooked for not over turning that. Ball doesn't have to move it was trapped and it is clear as day once reviewed.
Seems like a case of "tell me you don't watch much NFL without telling me you don't watch much NFL".
Looking at it again today, I don't see how they could have overturned it. Whatever was called on the field was what they had to stick with.
Let me try to describe, if I can, a situation that under the current rules would be a catch: if a player caught a pass stretched out, with his hands on the ball palms facing each other, his hands at an identical height (his hands at an east west orientation on the ball, if you will) and dives ball first into the ground and the bottom of the ball strikes the ground, that’s a catch if it is ruled that he had control of the ball. I’ve seen catches like that one yesterday ruled a catch previously. I’ve seen it done before, with the specific explanation that the rules now allow this to be a catch. This is a rule change/clarification from like five years ago, I believe.
That ball was slammed into the ground from above that is a trap. Clearly should have been ruled incomplete for both teams. Not just my opinion but Craig Carton along with many others.
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My boys and I watch football all week and I have watched for 45 years so please don't make assumptions on my behalf. Thank you! Craig Carton on FS1 was practically jumping up and down saying the exact same thing so I guess your presumption that there are no other legitimate opinions again would be the wrong assumption again!
Your comment of "Never in the history of the NFL has a catch ruled a catch without an arm between the ground" is disproven often...there are literally 10-20 catches each week across the NFL of balls that hit the ground and didn't have the receiver's hand between the ball and the ground. As long as the ball doesn't move, it can hit the ground. Your comment that the NFL is "crooked" as if that play was a complete outlier is wrong (regardless of what Craig Carton wants to say)...that was a pretty standard "call might have been wrong, but there isn't enough there to overturn it" type of call.
With all due respect, this one wasn't even close. Whether or not the ball moved is irrelevant since the premise that he ever controlled the ball to begin with is false. Ball movement assesses maintained control...you can't maintain what you never had. His hand was on top of the ball with no control whatsoever and his other hand wasn't anywhere near the ball; if anything, the ball was cradled on the inside of the Bills player's elbow, and then the ball got pinned to the ground:
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Watching it again, I still maintain that it's really close and tough to make it out enough to overturn the call. Do I think it was a catch? No. However, I still think it's tough to overturn it based on those two camera angles. It's not just the hands, as he's got arms and body in there too that the ball can pin against for a catch. It's a tough one to call either way (if they had called it incomplete, it definitely stays incomplete).
Indeed. Their scheme consisted of putting All Pro Chris Jones in the A gap left of the center where the Bills like Allen to go. The lack of anticipation by the Bills was telling. Their running back James Cook was doing well and should have been given a chance on those short yardage situations.
Understood, but it seems to be the Buffalo player's arm, not his own...
Anyway, none of the Chiefs, Texans or Bills are my team, so I can move on from this, but when back to back weeks feature a Texans personal foul for 2 defenders hitting each other (and barely touching Mahomes), coupled with a play like this in the following week that many are defending so vehemently, it just reminds me of the types of calls that Michigan and Ohio State have benefitted from over the years at the college level.
Similarly, grew up a 49ers fan, but will be rooting for Saquon to win a Super Bowl. I don't want him to miss out because of these types of calls, whether it be the "catch / no catch" in question or whether it be the even more egregious phantom personal foul in the Texans game.
Lucky guess on my part. Thanks for helping me look like I have a smidgen of football knowledge.
Oh if Craig carton thinks that then yes absolutely you are 100000% correct
The Bills got some calls as well.Understood, but it seems to be the Buffalo player's arm, not his own...
Anyway, none of the Chiefs, Texans or Bills are my team, so I can move on from this, but when back to back weeks feature a Texans personal foul for 2 defenders hitting each other (and barely touching Mahomes), coupled with a play like this in the following week that many are defending so vehemently, it just reminds me of the types of calls that Michigan and Ohio State have benefitted from over the years at the college level.
Similarly, grew up a 49ers fan, but will be rooting for Saquon to win a Super Bowl. I don't want him to miss out because of these types of calls, whether it be the "catch / no catch" in question or whether it be the even more egregious phantom personal foul in the Texans game.