Bo say, State may not have the money .....

[OG Goat Holder]

I'm not talking just baseball, look at all the sports. "Adequate" is getting us killed in men's athletics. Basketball was adequate, but that's about all you can say about it. We're in the bottom 6 of this conference in men's athletics. OM isn't and they're in this same state and running a strong athletic program. Keenum is so overly conservative and of the Templeton mold that it's hurting us.

Well the thread was about baseball. But I do agree in general. Baseball is fine, basketball is adequate, football is poor. This is a reality that a lot of you better get comfortable with.

Everyone is in that boat. Everyone is spending more than they're taking in minus the true blue bloods and some of those are. We can't get stuck in the Templeton and Cohen mindsets here. We've got to do whatever it takes to stay at the top level of college athletics or we can move to CUSA.

This isn't 2007, where spending money on facilities and coaches yielded a big result. We have serious expenses now, it's a different era. And honestly, even back then, the biggest hindrances was bad coaches rather than actual money. And a bad AD.

It's as simple as that, yet again. Ya'll trying to blame it on money but it's the same story it's always been. We are going to have to get creative.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

In today's environment money spent on any sport other than football and men's basketball is wasted money.

I really hate to agree with you but it's true unfortunately

 

[OG Goat Holder]

How does recruiting work with baseball? Is it all about being aligned with certain travel ball organizations?
Or is it just a matter of small state, small population, so we are trying to get kids from 2-3 states away to play here? Seems this is the problem to me.

Everybody is playing travel ball, that's less of a deal than it used to be. But yeah certain clubs tend to attract better players.

When we operated at our best we recruited our natural footprint well, 6 hours around Starkville. We get a big value in Alabama, because we are closer, cheaper, and known as a baseball crazy school compared to Bama/Auburn. We do pretty well in Tennessee and Georgia too. We've NEVER gotten value in Louisiana, yet Lemonis camps out there.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Everybody is playing travel ball, that's less of a deal than it used to be. But yeah certain clubs tend to attract better players.

When we operated at our best we recruited our natural footprint well, 6 hours around Starkville. We get a big value in Alabama, because we are closer, cheaper, and known as a baseball crazy school compared to Bama/Auburn. We do pretty well in Tennessee and Georgia too. We've NEVER gotten value in Louisiana, yet Lemonis camps out there.

Florida used to be big and it's not anymore

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Well the thread was about baseball. But I do agree in general. Baseball is fine, basketball is adequate, football is poor. This is a reality that a lot of you better get comfortable with.


This isn't 2007, where spending money on facilities and coaches yielded a big result. We have serious expenses now, it's a different era. And honestly, even back then, the biggest hindrances was bad coaches rather than actual money. And a bad AD.

It's as simple as that, yet again. Ya'll trying to blame it on money but it's the same story it's always been. We are going to have to get creative.

Well, we fell so far behind because of past leadership, we've got no choice but to play catch up on some things, other things will just have to wait. But we cannot refuse to invest in football. We literally had player parents complaining about our facilities this year. That's as bad a look as there is!

 

[Bulldog45]

We've NEVER gotten value in Louisiana, yet Lemonis camps out there.

I agree Alabama has produced more for us, but to say NEVER with Clark, Papelbon, and France among others coming from LA is a bit of overkill.

 

[patdog]

Mississippi State’s problem is that Mississippi State people are in charge of Mississippi State.

Here’s an Alternative Athletics Thesis:
What if Selmon isn’t a bad AD and is handcuffed (in not-quite PooPop style) by Mississippi State’s Culture?

Yore not wrong. But a Selmon is a terrible AD on his own too.

 

[Maroon13]

Everybody is playing travel ball, that's less of a deal than it used to be. But yeah certain clubs tend to attract better players.

.... and are we in with the clubs that attract the better players?

You say our nil is good but players don't want to play for Lemonis. So is that because he isnt aligned with the right clubs?

Is he just not connected in Atlanta, Jacksonville or Tampa etc etc etc ?

 

[GloryDawg]

I have no listen to his radio show in six years.

 

[ETK99]

Mississippi State’s problem is that Mississippi State people are in charge of Mississippi State.

Here’s an Alternative Athletics Thesis:
What if Selmon isn’t a bad AD and is handcuffed (in not-quite PooPop style) by Mississippi State’s Culture?

Probably the best post in this thread line. There's no forward thinking, just excuses why MSU can't do more

 

[ETK99]

Yore not wrong. But a Selmon is a terrible AD on his own too.

You know, I keep seeing people complain about how bad Selmon is, but no reason why it's being said by those folks. I'm always leery of those that just say something sucks but then say, "just because they do."

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I agree Alabama has produced more for us, but to say NEVER with Clark, Papelbon, and France among others coming from LA is a bit of overkill.

I'm talking more high school than anything, and France was a transfer. But either way, I'm not getting hung up on words - we don't get much value from Louisiana. I don't know why, just seems like those guys don't pan out. And in the modern age, Clark goes to LSU most likely.

Papelbon was from FL, by the way.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

.... and are we in with the clubs that attract the better players?

You say our nil is good but players don't want to play for Lemonis. So is that because he isnt aligned with the right clubs?

Is he just not connected in Atlanta, Jacksonville or Tampa etc etc etc ?

He recruits metrics, rather than athletes. That's the biggest thing. He likes 'showcase' athletes.

Mississippi State as a brand has clout everywhere.

 

[Bulldog45]

Papelbon was from FL, by the way.

Born in LA and mom played at LSU I believe

 

[8dog]

Well, we fell so far behind because of past leadership, we've got no choice but to play catch up on some things, other things will just have to wait. But we cannot refuse to invest in football. We literally had player parents complaining about our facilities this year. That's as bad a look as there is!

Yeah I think new Seal pales in comparison to all the other FB buildings.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Born in LA and mom played at LSU I believe

Dude he got recruited at MSU because of the Bishop Kenny connection. His brother played at North Florida. You're grasping at straws.

 

[ckDOG]

I have a friend who doesn’t work for athletics, but works closely with athletics. He told me that it’s unlikely Lemonis will be fired unless the season is a complete disaster. Said that the university is absolutely opposed to taking risks on anything, especially in athletics. Meanwhile, Ole Miss is taking risks on Kiffin and Beard and look where they’re at as opposed to us. We’re a boring school with a boring perception and you can thank Mark Keenum and Sid Salter for this schools continued demise.

This is insane to me. Safe is for blue bloods. We have to take risks to compete. What's the downside? We end up sucking? Good lord, this place needs an enema in the worst way.

 

[AttalaDawg72]

In today's environment money spent on any sport other than football and men's basketball is wasted money.

This is also true

 

[civildawg88]

You know, I keep seeing people complain about how bad Selmon is, but no reason why it's being said by those folks. I'm always leery of those that just say something sucks but then say, "just because they do."

Name something good he has done. He's sat on his hands while our lights and sound system have been high school level. He hired his buddy at OU and we went 2-10. Do I need to say anymore?

 

[Puppychow]

Just playing devils advocate. Is Lemonis the problem? Or could it be other factors outside his control? NIL, etc.

I mean the guy did with a national championship, so he’s got something going on. Do we fire him only to realize he wasn’t the problem?

 

[Mr. Cook]

Mississippi State’s problem is that Mississippi State people are in charge of Mississippi State.

That’s because no one from the outside is allowed a seat at the table - by design

Here’s an Alternative Athletics Thesis:
What if Selmon isn’t a bad AD and is handcuffed (in not-quite PooPop style) by Mississippi State’s Culture?

Ok….I’lll bite ($1)

More of a probability than a possibility. He’s inherited this situation….and the culture that embodies it.

The only merit MSU athletics has is being a member of the SEC — because just about everything else works against it (location, recruiting, lack of winning tradition, etc, etc)

Some on here have had negative comments about Selmon not being able to have an impact on the culture. Maybe….just maybe….the MSU culture doesn’t want to change

 

[8dog]

Just playing devils advocate. Is Lemonis the problem? Or could it be other factors outside his control? NIL, etc.

I mean the guy did with a national championship, so he’s got something going on. Do we fire him only to realize he wasn’t the problem?

lol. He is absolutely the problem

 

[patdog]

I have a friend who doesn’t work for athletics, but works closely with athletics. He told me that it’s unlikely Lemonis will be fired unless the season is a complete disaster. Said that the university is absolutely opposed to taking risks on anything, especially in athletics. Meanwhile, Ole Miss is taking risks on Kiffin and Beard and look where they’re at as opposed to us. We’re a boring school with a boring perception and you can thank Mark Keenum and Sid Salter for this schools continued demise.

Biggest risk we could take right now is not firing Lemonis. It will be interesting to see what we can afford if we start seeing a lot of empty seats second half of the season.

 

[tbaydog]

... to fire Lemonis. To much tied up in the current staff and nil for all sports to afford it.

Thursday hour 1, 32m30s.

I have no idea. But it wouldn't surprise me if State did keep lemon after this year. Especially if he can find north of 5 sec wins.

Also he mentions 10million in nil for football but later says 7 million in nil for football last year. So I assume we will have 10 million In this years team??! Good grief. That's a lot of money but way off of every other sec school.

Which it is just ridiculous it takes that much to buy a team.

I can't blame alums if they say "no more" if asked for a buyout for Lemonis.

Dam sure not getting a return on our 9nestment.

 

[ETK99]

Name something good he has done. He's sat on his hands while our lights and sound system have been high school level. He hired his buddy at OU and we went 2-10. Do I need to say anymore?

You do realize we're getting those this season and with the settlement hanging over us, that's a pretty large accomplishment. He's already provided the future plans that include an IPF and stadium upgrades. He's improved the basketball and softball atmosphere with things. You guys are looking at the wrong person. He's got a boss and we've got boosters like any other school that demand their usual as well. He's gotten our NIL moving as well. I've never had more communication with/from the athletic dept. as I do now. And no, things aren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination but he's not just sitting around like some claim.

 

[gtowndawg]

In today's environment money spent on any sport other than football and men's basketball is wasted money.

100%

 

[gtowndawg]

8dog, you're a knowledgeable guy with more common sense than most on here, so I don't want to argue with you about it. I'll just say this, money has to be invested in football because it got screwed over in the past in many ways. But I don't think the IPF will come unless football turns around or in the next 4 years. I think it was projected for 2028 but maybe wrong. I don't see that happening unless football makes a big jump or some big outside funds come in. Rumors are that there's money there for a good portion of it, and there's going to be some naming rights stuff coming for things too. MSU can increase revenue in a number of ways if we'll just modernize and do what we need to do instead of sitting on our hands and being conservative in every possible way. Our licensing group is the worst in America. We need forward thinking people, not stuck in the old State ways people.

110%

 

[civildawg88]

You do realize we're getting those this season and with the settlement hanging over us, that's a pretty large accomplishment. He's already provided the future plans that include an IPF and stadium upgrades. He's improved the basketball and softball atmosphere with things. You guys are looking at the wrong person. He's got a boss and we've got boosters like any other school that demand their usual as well. He's gotten our NIL moving as well. I've never had more communication with/from the athletic dept. as I do now. And no, things aren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination but he's not just sitting around like some claim.

Oh his boss deserved to be fired years ago but whomever makes those decisions is content with the status quo

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

The next baseball staff will make 1/3 to 1/2 of Lemonis current staff does.

 

[Drebin]

Rosey is carrying the water too, he's doing his best to set the table for a Lemonis return so fans won't revolt.

On the other hand, Bo wants shlt to hit the fan. The Rosey interviews should be good for the next few months.

Rosey wants Lemonis here forever, because he's in the club. That is, until we finally fire him, when Rosey will come back and write his "what we knew and when we knew it" obituary.

 

[WilCoDawg]

... to fire Lemonis. To much tied up in the current staff and nil for all sports to afford it.

Thursday hour 1, 32m30s.

I have no idea. But it wouldn't surprise me if State did keep lemon after this year. Especially if he can find north of 5 sec wins.

Also he mentions 10million in nil for football but later says 7 million in nil for football last year. So I assume we will have 10 million In this years team??! Good grief. That's a lot of money but way off of every other sec school.

Which it is just ridiculous it takes that much to buy a team.

I can't blame alums if they say "no more" if asked for a buyout for Lemonis.

The most M State thing to say ever. Is the bar really set THAT low?

There’s no way in hell we’d keep a coach with Lemonis’s record outside of the natty. No way period. He’ll be endeared for winning the natty but that is literally all we’ve done u dear him and that wasn’t even with his players. We’re constantly being to,d to be patient and let Coach X get his players in before freaking out. Well, we’ve let him get his players in and he can’t do shite with them. He needs to be gone yesterday.

 

[patdog]

The most M State thing to say ever. Is the bar really set THAT low?

There’s no way in hell we’d keep a coach with Lemonis’s record outside of the natty. No way period. He’ll be endeared for winning the natty but that is literally all we’ve done u dear him and that wasn’t even with his players. We’re constantly being to,d to be patient and let Coach X get his players in before freaking out. Well, we’ve let him get his players in and he can’t do shite with them. He needs to be gone yesterday.

Never underestimate how low Keenum & Selmon can set the bar.

 

[DAWGSANDSAINTS]

Maybe he'll do the right thing and resign. I can't imagine this season is going to be very pleasant for him.

Why the 17 would he care?
He’s got a sweet deal and I guess now he knows maybe we can’t fire his sorry ***!

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Why the 17 would he care?
He’s got a sweet deal and I guess now he knows maybe we can’t fire his sorry ***!

As the losses pile up he's going to start finding out how rabid Mississippi State fans can be about their baseball. He's not going to be able to walk across campus without getting booed.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

As the losses pile up he's going to start finding out how rabid Mississippi State fans can be about their baseball. He's not going to be able to walk across campus without getting booed.

You mean those fans feeding our opponents after a loss? LOL! That party culture has taken the life out of the baseball culture on and off the field.

 

[FormerBully]

Rosey wants Lemonis here forever, because he's in the club. That is, until we finally fire him, when Rosey will come back and write his "what we knew and when we knew it" obituary.

It blows my mind that people pay for Genes and Rosebowl. People will eat up anything.

 

[birdawg]

You know, I keep seeing people complain about how bad Selmon is, but no reason why it's being said by those folks. I'm always leery of those that just say something sucks but then say, "just because they do."

Hiring first-time HC and assistants and over paying them, stale game day experiences, poor marketing to name a few.

 

[ETK99]

Hiring first-time HC and assistants and over paying them, stale game day experiences, poor marketing to name a few.

When Lebby was at OM, everybody wanted him, most had him on their list of top assistants this time too. And id loved to have had a top coach but who is coming here? It's now one of the worst jobs in P4. The damage was done before Selmon got here. Gameday should be fixed this season.

 

[johnson86-1]

The next baseball staff will make 1/3 to 1/2 of Lemonis current staff does.

That seems likely. Now that we're doing away with pretending the players aren't professional athletes playing for money, it makes sense that the salary breakdown will start to look more like it does in the pros, where coaches make a fraction of what the players make.

 

[randystewart]

Late to this party, but good God at some of these takes. Let me preface this with I want Lemonis gone, and I do not think Selmon is doing a great job....
However, this "we must take risks crowd" and comparing what we've done compared to Ole Miss is insane. Do you not think we take risks? We fired Stansbury and ended up with Rick Ray. We hired Leach around the same time Ole Miss hired Kiffin. We fired Arnett after 1 year. We did not give the baseball job to Henderson when there was immense pressure to do so. Jans is a great coach and was the Beard of when we hired him. So what are the "risks" that need to be taken at the moment? I firmly believe Lemonis will be gone, hell his contract has not been extended lately. Painting with a broad brush that our leadership doesn't take risks is asinine.