Carrying water
- Thread starter Rupert Jenkins
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Hughes is a staple.
Barbay continues to ignore what we do well and forcing this team to play more 12 personnel than 10 is criminal! It's stupid. It makes no sense. No other coach would be forcing us to do that. His play calling is all over the place with no consistency.
We didn’t average 8 wins over the past 2 years and finish ranked last season only because of Emmanual Forbes and Cameron Young. We have guys that don’t suck. What we don’t have now are the elite, NFL caliber guys on D that disrupt and make everyone else better. Particularly on the DL. Every really good MSU team of the past 2 decades has had at least one guy like that….whether it be Cox, Jones, Boyd, Young, Sweat, or Simmons. NIL and the portal makes it very unlikely we’ll ever sign and actually keep one of those guys ever again. That is the real problem.
Talking about improving Leach’s approach to recruiting, guys for our footprint, etc. is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I guarantee you that Leach, Brock, Arnett, Spurrier, Miller, Hollinghead, Hughes, every other coach, and every analyst wanted Jaheim Otis badly. They did or do want Jeffrey Rush, Kamarion Franklin, Jamonta Walker, and Kamron Beavers badly. We aren’t getting any of them, and in about 80% of cases it isn’t even Bama and LSU that’s coming in and getting them either. No “approach” from this staff or any other is going to help us get any of them. Period. That is the issue, and its been the issue since 2021. Its not even worth discussing who our next coach should be, what offensive system or defensive system we should run, what assistants we need, whether the &tate is better than the banner, or any other 17ing thing related to our program until that problem is resolved.
Apparently for you, it is. SOS is something that only matters for CFP contenders. Otherwise, it tells you very little about your win total chances vs. the year before without actual context.
aGAIN, replacing a game you have a 1% chance of winning with one you have a 35% chance of winning still means you have a very likely loss on the schedule. It all counts the same. It doesn’t matter if the replacement team is worse. What hurts the most is having your toss-up games shift from home to away. That’s why we always struggle in odd number years.
LSU has Top 5 talent. Therefore, nothing about about what we did in that game ever mattered as much as what they did. Comes down to how they perform before anything else. If they show up and play well, we lose 100% of the time. They showed and played well. We certainly didn’t, but its an L either way. Even if they played like crap and we were perfect, the talent gap was too big. Look at 2014. Worst LSU team since DiNardo with a horrible QB, we played out of our minds with a franchise NFL QB on our side, and they STILL had a chance to win at the end against our best team of the modern era.
Nobody ever said that. But it was, is, and always has been a 6-7 win schedule. Only morons thought we could get 8+ wins with a rookie HC, brand new offensive staff, all of our NFL talent gone in the draft, and 4 of our 6 swing games in conference on the road. Vegas set the O/U at 6.5 for a reason.
Input on who we were going to offer a scholarship to, or input on how much to offer in NIL to specific players?
If its the first thing, that’s a problem where the worst players in the class maybe could have been a little bit better, but I don’t see that being our issue. And I highly doubt its the 2nd thing.
Yea uh huh, 7 yards on offense at half against LSU has nothing to do with coaching “because they have top 5 talent”, that’s why we were beating them on the road late in the game last year.....and that’s why ole miss hung 55 on them, and Arkansas awful offense put up 34 on them.
Good argument.
Good argument.
Damn, what you wanna do, give up? We can buy a couple of defensive players per year, we aren't dead broke.
Can we? Because there are quite a few for sale right now. Most in one MS class in awhile. If we can, why aren’t we?
That's not a question for me, above my pay grade.
Surely you don't think Fletcher Cox, Denico Autry, Jeffrey Simmons, etc. came here out of the goodness of their maroon hearts do you? NIL was not the beginning of this.
It certainly has to do with coaching, and talent, and execution. Never said it didn’t. I only said it didn’t matter if coaching and execution were perfect that day if the talent’s not there. It was going to be a loss.
And, we scored a whole 2 more points last year. Offense was still trash against them. Maybe you forgot that part. And defense wasn’t great, either.
Of course I don’t think that. But we didn’t pay $1 million per player for each of those guys either, which is now the going rate for those types of players…..and that’s probably on the low end.
NIL completely ended the “honor amongst thieves” and the discretion that used to be in place…..where pigs got fat but hogs got slaughtered. When every player is an open bidding war as opposed to a silent auction, the informal protections we used to have to help us at least keep most of the elite MS kids are now gone. It’s all eBay now.
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Right, our 2022 game against LSU on the road in which we were leading in the 4th quarter is remotely similar to the travesty we saw this year at home. 7 offensive yards in the first half. Embarrassing.
If Ole Miss put up 55 points on them and Arkansas put up 34 points on them, that’s not talent.
Yeah it kills me when some of these dudes make the 2006 argument about talent and gaps between schools and all that other LT/Croom shlt. We all know we're at a talent disadvantage but we aren't at a get our a$$es smashed so bad we need a buttplug disadvantage.
In all seriousness, if that is the going rate, which I doubt, then we should just give up and go all-in on basketball.
So technically I guess I agree with you?
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You continue to miss the point.
And yes, OM and Ark also have a boatload more talent than we do on offense. We don’t have a KJ Jefferson, Rocket Sanders, Quinshon Judkins, Tre Harris, or Jaxon Dart anywhere to be seen, in case you haven’t noticed. We have Tulu and that’s about it.
Coaching and talent were both better.
Particularly on the defensive side of the ball. On offense, its been mostly a wash but still slightly better this year so far. But the talent is worse across the board. We lost our most talented WR to the portal, we lost our most talented RB to the portal. We lost our most talented DB and most talented DL to the NFL. None of those guys were truly replaced with the possible exception of DJ (or at least there was minimal drop-off from him to Pittman / Davis, etc.), but he was still the most talented back on the team in 2022.
Bye weeks make this board, so enjoyable to read... People constantly reading between every line we might have. The way you guys have drilled down is fascinating.
If you’re a high 4* or 5* DL in SEC country, it’s the going rate. And that’s still less than elite QB’s and other skill position players. Travis Hunter is reportedly pulling in over $2 million just this year at Colorado.
Yeah, I’m archiving this. Players with legit NFL draft potential and ability don’t skip the NFL draft for….checks notes….two or three years in a row. Crumedy has literally been here for 6 seasons and will be nearly 24 years old when the draft rolls around. You think he’s getting taken? Pickering is about the same….been here 5 years and will be 23.5 years old on draft day.
Those guys simply never broke out to be more than average P5 college players with any elite skill sets, which is why they are still here. The best case for either is that they sign an undrafted free agent contract, which might allow them to bounce around on practice squads for a few years. Chances of them making a 53-man roster and sticking on one for more than 1-2 seasons are almost zilch.