The wine and cheese go along with the self-elevated egos of B1G ''higher education'' institutions.Yeah, that's how they roll at Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State.I'll give you Wisconsin for the cheese.
The wine and cheese go along with the self-elevated egos of B1G ''higher education'' institutions.Yeah, that's how they roll at Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State.I'll give you Wisconsin for the cheese.
People don’t watch UVA football just look at the numbers. Which is why I believe it’s more about matchups which gets eyeballs more than the area.18, I cannot agree that UVA does not move the needle much. They are the 12th largest state in the nation, larger than Missouri and Arkansas, and of course our state. And I believe getting coverage out of the DC area which is smothered by the national media is a big deal. And while it is football that is THE sport, adding UVA to go with UNC would be a big boost to the national basketball profile of the conference to go with Kentucky.
Football relevancy comes and goes. But geography is forever.People don’t watch UVA football just look at the numbers. Which is why I believe it’s more about matchups which gets eyeballs more than the area.
I'll let Sankey worry about all that.That is true. It would probably be about a wash financially, so then I think academic fit comes into play. Simply put, the SEC is not in any way an academic fit for either school. I think we have 4 AAU schools, two of which are more recent additions. All schools in the Big 10 are AAU except Nebraska, I believe.
With UVA bordering MD and NC bordering UVA, adding those schools do what the SEC did by adding the Texas schools, Mizzou and OU in terms of geography and extending their contiguous border.
If you're UVA, taking money out of the equation, what's your incentive for joining the SEC over the Big 10? They offer the one thing the SEC can't. Maybe the SEC wants to boost their academic profile by adding those schools, but I'm not sure what they can offer as incentive.
Sorry, Sankey - the states of Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas are not southeast.Finebaum said yesterday that North Carolina is who the SEC wants. My guess is that Virginia or Virginia Tech is who the SEC would want to bring in with them All that makes sense to me because Sankey emphasizes that the SEC is the only regional conference and wants to stay that way. The Tar Heels and the Cavs or Hokies would give the SEC a contiguous and regional conference. I learned this about UNC after my post yesterday.
By large, do you mean size or population?18, I cannot agree that UVA does not move the needle much. They are the 12th largest state in the nation, larger than Missouri and Arkansas, and of course our state. And I believe getting coverage out of the DC area which is smothered by the national media is a big deal. And while it is football that is THE sport, adding UVA to go with UNC would be a big boost to the national basketball profile of the conference to go with Kentucky.
I suspect he meant southern. I think Missouri was a "border state" in the Civil War. It does not matter. He/they will twist their logic whichever way they want in order to make the point they want.Sorry, Sankey - the states of Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas are not southeast.
populationBy large, do you mean size or population?
Throw in Iowa, wine and cheese ? laughable.Yeah, that's how they roll at Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State.I'll give you Wisconsin for the cheese.
Having all but one school being members of the AAU will do that for ones ego. Understandably so.The wine and cheese go along with the self-elevated egos of B1G ''higher education'' institutions.
And rightly so.Having all but one school being members of the AAU will do that for ones ego. Understandably so.
I read somewhere that the B1G is rather upset at Nebraska losing their AAU accreditation.And rightly so.
Highly.I read somewhere that the B1G is rather upset at Nebraska losing their AAU accreditation.
I understand that the research activities that qualify schools for consideration are thusly funded, "Some primary sources of funding include government agencies, private foundations, industrial partners, and the universities themselves." Great universities cost something.Not if my tax dollars are involved.
I didn't see a break down. From what I've seen it's mostly government.Highly.
I understand that the research activities that qualify schools for consideration are thusly funded, "Some primary sources of funding include government agencies, private foundations, industrial partners, and the universities themselves." Great universities cost something.
Let’s hope they do it then and it will be the beginning of the end for the pussycats!!Reading some of the rumors/reports on this. Really doesn't make sense. The Big 12 is about as far behind the SEC/Big 10 in revenue and per school payout as the ACC is. If their goal is to get on a more level playing field with the SEC/Big 10, this doesn't seem to be the path. The current Big 12 deal runs through 2031, so adding 2 more teams would only further dilute the current payout. Just not seeing the huge financial upside here. They might get some more money but would still lag far, far behind the ACC and Big 10. The current Big 12 deal runs though 2031, so they'd still be waiting a while to see any potential payoff. Even so, with the brands of schools in the Big 12, they won't come close to SEC/Big 10 money.
The SEC and Big 12 don’t want their sorry asses!!I can't see where the Big 12 offers any advantage. Clemson and FSU should move to the SEC or BiG or simply remain in the ACC.
Not sure how or why they could be highly upset. I believe they lost AAU status before they were formally inducted into the Big Ten. It was at least the same year so they knew their status was seriously in jeopardy.Highly.
I understand that the research activities that qualify schools for consideration are thusly funded, "Some primary sources of funding include government agencies, private foundations, industrial partners, and the universities themselves." Great universities cost something.
Should that happen, who would be our new rival? Rivalries help give a sport attention.Let’s hope they do it then and it will be the beginning of the end for the pussycats!!
The SEC would if our sorry asses and Florida's weren't already in there. On the other hand, nobody knows what's going to happen.The SEC and Big 12 don’t want their sorry asses!!
I agree, except I would not call Florida a "sorry ***". They have been since Meyer left but have won 3 football national championships since the mid 1990s. We, on the other hand, well, you know.The SEC would if our sorry asses and Florida's weren't already in there. On the other hand, nobody knows what's going to happen.
18, the only example there that you gave that is pre-Big TV $$$$ is Texas. The Texas situation is different in that Texas is the big dog among fans of the Lone Star state, to the extent that they had their own TV network. The situations are just not the same with FSU and Clemson. And I have repeatedly said I have no problem with Clemson coming into the SEC due to it working in our favor and to Clemson's disadvantage regarding making the playoffs.There's just no way around the fact that Clemson and FSU are natural fits for the SEC.
As I noted elsewhere, the SEC has two teams in Texas, Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee, so it would hardly be novel for them to have 2 teams in SC and FL. Alabama and Mississippi are both smaller population-wise than SC and FL. Mississippi is tiny.
I understand the other teams are legacy teams, but some folks are making it sound like Clemson and FSU are automatically out simply b/c the SEC already has a team in the state.18, the only example there that you gave that is pre-Big TV $$$$ is Texas. The Texas situation is different in that Texas is the big dog among fans of the Lone Star state, to the extent that they had their own TV network. The situations are just not the same with FSU and Clemson. And I have repeatedly said I have no problem with Clemson coming into the SEC due to it working in our favor and to Clemson's disadvantage regarding making the playoffs.
Too bad the commissioner of the big 12 just got done saying the exact opposite.The SEC and Big 12 don’t want their sorry asses!!
Did you not notice where I placed the phrase "sorry asses"? It was intentional, although Florida's asses are sorrier than they used to be.I agree, except I would not call Florida a "sorry ***". They have been since Meyer left but have won 3 football national championships since the mid 1990s. We, on the other hand, well, you know.
Schools really don’t know until the list comes out. FSU was pissed they didn’t make it. Nebraska lost theirs for two primary reasons: a deemphasis on agricultural research by the AAU and because their medical school is located in Omaha and not Lincoln. I don’t doubt they will get it back within the next couple of cycles because their cancer research facility is top notch and that has become a major emphasis of the AAU.Not sure how or why they could be highly upset. I believe they lost AAU status before they were formally inducted into the Big Ten. It was at least the same year so they knew their status was seriously in jeopardy.
Yeah, the Gators have had an especially rough road ever since the Muschamp era to this day. Sure hope that Muschamp "magic' does not endure here.Did you not notice where I placed the phrase "sorry asses"? It was intentional, although Florida's asses are sorrier than they used to be.
The SEC would if our sorry asses and Florida's weren't already in there. On the other hand, nobody knows what's going to happen.
Florida is a charter SEC member who only started have some success on the gridiron under Ray Graves in the 1960s. Prior to that, UF was pretty much meh in all sports.I agree, except I would not call Florida a "sorry ***". They have been since Meyer left but have won 3 football national championships since the mid 1990s. We, on the other hand, well, you know.
Schools, not teams.There's just no way around the fact that Clemson and FSU are natural fits for the SEC.
As I noted elsewhere, the SEC has two teams in Texas, Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee, so it would hardly be novel for them to have 2 teams in SC and FL. Alabama and Mississippi are both smaller population-wise than SC and FL. Mississippi is tiny.
Yes, I recall. That boy from UPC (he's dead now) went down there and woke 'em up in football - before getting them in all kinds of trouble. It was quite awhile before they hit the jackpot with Spurrier. Norm Sloan did pretty well down there in basketball before Donovan later took them to the top twice. But, yes, they were slow to develop. Having said that, they were just inept. They had, and still have, way more going for them potentially than we do.Florida is a charter SEC member who only started have some success on the gridiron under Ray Graves in the 1960s. Prior to that, UF was pretty much meh in all sports.