WYFF CH 4 just reported. Said Clemson spokesman said Clemson would go to SEC without question, if it works out.
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Clemson and SEC in talks
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I said previously that the SEC is going after Clemson, UNC, UVA and Notre Dame...they may not get all of them but I would wager a guess Clemson and UNC would jump at the chance....Notre Dame and UVA to the B1G if not the SEC...
Clemson, UVA, UNC fit due to either being the state flagship school or a large land grant....if those 3 come and Notre Dame chooses not to...go after Duke to make the conference interesting in basketball as well....it would certainly give folks around the SEC something to look forward to in the winter to go along with the SEC women's basketball programs...I saw on another site the DUKE/UNC rivalry for basketball is worth around a billion dollars....
Given all this, if I were in control...i'd offer Clemson, UVA, UNC and Duke...gives an old school ACC vibe...
Clemson, UVA, UNC fit due to either being the state flagship school or a large land grant....if those 3 come and Notre Dame chooses not to...go after Duke to make the conference interesting in basketball as well....it would certainly give folks around the SEC something to look forward to in the winter to go along with the SEC women's basketball programs...I saw on another site the DUKE/UNC rivalry for basketball is worth around a billion dollars....
Given all this, if I were in control...i'd offer Clemson, UVA, UNC and Duke...gives an old school ACC vibe...
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How are they going to get around the Grant of Rights to the ACC. It is all blowing smoke until that is answered.
Word is Clemson is asking the SEC to foot the bill for their admittance to the conference whatever that may be.
They certainly think highly of themselves.
I tried to find it, but couldn’t, an article I read this morning about this and this info was refuted by a sports writer who is supposed to be in the know. He stated, as probably the most historic basketball rivalry in college basketball that UNC and Duke will be a package deal IF they go anywhere. ND will either work a favorable deal with the ACC or go Big 10 because it makes the most sense geographically. Clemson brings no new markets to the SEC. He also said IF any ACC teams ended up in the SEC it would be a rude awakening for them on the football field and show why the SEC is at the top of the heap year in and out.
The problem is with a Grant of Rights through 2035, i.e. 12 more years, that could be a $300 million dollar bill. A bit steep even for the SEC as a whole.
I think UNC ends up in the Big 10 if they leave the ACC.
Well, if the SEC was to take in clemson, why would they not take in Florida State too? Cannot stop at one addition.
Poor Dabo. I'm sure there are lots of trips to the Swinney bathroom these days. The era of feasting on ACC cupcakes may be coming to an end.
Poor Dabo. I'm sure there are lots of trips to the Swinney bathroom these days. The era of feasting on ACC cupcakes may be coming to an end.
Culturally that seems to be the better fit.
Clemson is not worth 300 million dollars.
There is no way that clemson's value is anywhere in the neighborhood of $300 million. Does anyone honestly believe that people in, say Boise, Idaho, would switch channels to watch clemson play? Furthermore, clemson does not bring in any new market to the SEC. So, how is their value, to the SEC and ESPN, anywhere close to $300 million? It's not.
Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Just sayin.
I'm not saying anyone, outside the state, would want to watch us play either. Not only that, but, clemson's football program, right now, is miles ahead of ours. BUT, we are not asking the SEC to pay us to stay in. That's a BIG difference.
It is more about matchups and the viewings they generate...... Clemson/UGA, Clemson/Florida, Clemson/Bama, Clemson/LSU, Clemson/Tenn, Clemson/Auburn, Clemson/OU, Clemson/Texas.... these are all games that would garner large viewership due to branding and it probably being a lot of top 10 and top 15 matchups.
You may be right. Lucky for them and anyone else is they would not have to play all 9 of those in the same year. And either way, people are still going to watch because they are big games and high level. That is why I said I think Clemson would be a smart take for the SEC because they are looking at matchups that create viewership.
Do you really, really, believe that the SEC, as currently set up (including Texas and Oklahoma) is lacking for potential Top 10 and Top 15 branding matchups, to warrant paying $300 million to bring in clemson? I'm open-minded willing to be convinced. So, if you truly believe so, make the case.
When I think of B1G crowds, I'm inclined to go with Beer and Brauts. Not wine and cheese.
I don't think the SEC is lacking those games, but I don't think the SEC wants anyone else to have them either. I have heard that SEC teams would get 100 million a yr. If that's true then that's only 3 years and then it's paid for.
Unless there's a 2nd team added. Then you double the price tag and amount of time it takes to pay for,
I have not done a marketing study. But it seems to me if you bring in teams from the states of North Carolina and Virginia, the 9th and 12th largest states (to include DC) in the nation, you have the entire sunbelt locked up, making it VERY lucrative from a television standpoint and, consequently, a TV bonanza for the league. But, I know little, and claim less.
Not saying you are wrong. We really do not have any idea what is going on behind the scenes. If you are in a race, you do not want to be second or last considering this looks like this will end up with 2 major conferences. If the BIG keeps expanding, the SEC doesn't want to play second to them in anything and vice versa. Knowing that if ND joins anywhere it is probably going to be the BIG that itself will propel them considerably forward. SEC will want to continue to move forward and they can't afford to sit around and wait for the BIG to make their move. Clemson in particular is low hanging fruit for the SEC. In you geographical region with already 2 established rivalries in UGA and USC, not to mention recent competition against LSU and Bama. Clemson is a football first school with major success in the last 10 years that will bring MORE marquee conference matchups that directly results in viewership which means more money. 300 million sounds like a lot, and it is, but this is not a short term game plan. This is a long term plan.
I agree that Clemson is today, a marquee name. But, playing an SEC schedule, rather than an ACC schedule, will make it much more difficult to stay a marquee name. Marquee status comes and goes. Geographic boundaries however, such as the states of North Carolina and Virginia and their eyeballs, are forever. But, as I said, I know little and claim less.
Yep, Wisconsin cheese and Ohio St./Michigan whining
No, if each school gets 100 million that's 3 hundred million each school, still 3 years and both schools are paid for.
Playing in a little pond makes it easy to be a big fish.
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Yep, Wisconsin cheese and Ohio St./Michigan whining
Regardless, I find it short-term thinking for the SEC to not lock up 2 new and large states and markets (NC and VA), rather than stay within existing boundaries. As I said above, marquee status comes and goes. For example, Florida State is not the program it once was. But state boundaries and eyeballs are forever.
AZ, AZ St, Stanford and Oregon make more sense market wise. And no 100M buyout that I am aware of.
OT: On a side note, Catherine O'Hara should ease up on the make up. She is attractive, as is. The same can be said for Tom Hanks wife, Rita Wilson.
If Stanford and Cal end up anywhere other than the B1G I'd be shocked. Probably true with Oregon/Washington also.
I've only seen this 300 million number thrown out here, but I have to wonder how any eventual buyout compares with the increased pay a team would see going from the bad acc payout plan to the upciming sec payout plan.
If you have to pay out over 5 or 10 years, I'm sure some schools will think it's worth it.
If you have to pay out over 5 or 10 years, I'm sure some schools will think it's worth it.
Even they know that. That is why the GOR has to be destroyed someway, in court or by an ACC vote, before any ACC team is even close to an option.
The SEC and B1G can merge and leave the NCAA. The AAU schools get to keep their research money.
I suspect it will have to go to court. Cannot see the ACC ever agreeing to change it. To do so would be the end of that league.
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