Clemson and SEC in talks
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1. 300 million over 12 years is like paying one hefty coach buyout every year for 12 years. We will see what the courts say about the GOR.
2. Sorry to the haters out there, but Clemson is really everything that an SEC team should be. They are also a new TV market (tho not like UNC or UVa would be). They are a national name. We have to play them anyway.
3. I would take FSU, UNC, UVa, VT, Clemson and maybe GT or Miami. I would take WVU or maybe Nebraska.
4. Notre Dame will absolutely never be a fit in the SEC. Ever. Yuck. To Hades with them.
2. Sorry to the haters out there, but Clemson is really everything that an SEC team should be. They are also a new TV market (tho not like UNC or UVa would be). They are a national name. We have to play them anyway.
3. I would take FSU, UNC, UVa, VT, Clemson and maybe GT or Miami. I would take WVU or maybe Nebraska.
4. Notre Dame will absolutely never be a fit in the SEC. Ever. Yuck. To Hades with them.
national names come and go (FSU, Miami, PSU, etc.) especially when the winning goes away with the cupcake schedule gone. Clemson brings no new TV market.
The BTAA research money is conference controlled and that is billions in addition to what the schools attract individually. The Big Ten started as an academic-based conference similar to the Ivy League.
IF the conferences merge, I don't see how. The B1G did have a couple of schools who were members but didn't participate in sports. I am not sure how they could separate the BTAA from the B1G.
The B1G was set up totally different than other conferences....and they have prided themselves on that difference. Meaning....I am not sure they'd be willing to give it up even if they could.
OK. I took the BT in BTAA to mean Big Ten so I didn't see a problem. I now feel foolish.
Well, Crap! Why doesn't the SEC just take on every D1 CFB team. They would replace the NCAA. And it would simply be the NFL minor league, as if it already wasn't.
The BT does mean Big Ten....but the academic side of the Big Ten controls several billion in research money each year that it doles out to member schools. It is a foreign concept for schools in the SEC, ACC, Big 12 and PAC-12 as those conferences don't have a similar academic consortium. It is the primary reason that Mizzou went after a B1G invite as hard as they did.
Athletically, the SEC and the B1G schools receive similar amount of money from their respective conferences.
Merging with the SEC, I would think, should not change a thing they are doing now with their ATT research money with the members they have. That would be understood before the merger. The TV money is what would be split, as that would be for athletic events. Is research money in any way related to being in the NCAA? I don't see how.
No, NCAA has nothing to do with research money. They would have to form a separate organization for the research side....and I am sure other AAU programs such as UNC, UVA, GaTech, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, etc.. would want to participate in that. It could cause some jealousies among conference members.
Clemson doesn`t expand the footprint of the SEC - neither do Miami or FSU. They aren`t some national brand like Notre Dame. SEC games are going to get eyeballs whether Clemson is one of the teams or not. If the SEC does expand(I hope it stays pat at this point, or goes into N.C.(no UNC or Duke please) or Virginia, that`s what opens up a whole new set of eyeballs in another state. A lot more people live there than S.C. and we are already in the SEC. Why reward Clemson? I can see getting Notre Dame if they would join but doubt if they would.
So let it. They may want to participate. So? They don't get to. The schools you listed wouldn't be a part of what I suggested. You said the research money dwarfs any television money, at least I think it was you. The BTAA has nothing to do with the schools you just mentioned. What would necessitate a new organization be formed? A name is just a name.
It would take 3 or 4 with SEC invites and several with Big Ten invites to have a majority. I don't think those numbers will happen. Too much dead wood. as for court, I just don't see what grounds. Basically they plead "we were stupid to sign this"? If there is a genius lawyer who can find a legal argument to get them out, i want to hire him.
Clemson is on the way down, and Dabo, who is (was) a great CEO, has apparently fell into the same mistake as Spurrier, in thinking it’s not the talent as much as his scheming and play calling. He will continue to recruit, but the defense and offense will suffer. It will be a slower process, they will not stop recruiting talent like we did after Clowney. But I believe,the dye has been cast. They are not a national brand like UNC in basketball. It makes more sense for a third conference of 16 more teams made up of the best of the rest so to speak. From the PAC 10 and Big 12.and independents, but all major schools, all Power 5 schools. Notre Dame, Brigham Young, Utah, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona,Clemson, UNC , Okla. State, Iowa, Iowa State, Pittsburgh, Kansas, Baylor, West Virginia, etc. 16 teams in these 3 super conferences has a 48 team pool from which to make a playoff. It’s fun experimenting. Who else has a model?
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It must be nice to be on the way down. I have heard the cycling out for years now. They are currently ranked 3rd in recruiting for '23 with 14 4 stars and 2 5 stars. With a better quarterback I think they will be just fine.
We shall see. Recruiting classes are only one ingredient needed to make a team successful.
I would hope the SEC would tell them to go pound salt if they do.
Last I heard the research money was over $9B annually. I would guess any schools that would want to join that consortium would need the ability to significantly add to that amount on an ongoing basis....which is why I mentioned those schools.
That would establish the commissioner's identity as a moron for all time. He is not a moron.
The SEC would do what you suggest if they could. The schools you mentioned would lean toward the B1G. If the SEC wants those states, they will have to enlist other schools.
I don’t understand how two mega conferences will increase tv revenue. All the dozens of other teams would not stand a chance at the playoffs. Or even a big bowl. Those fans will be disenfranchised and therefore disinterested. Would, overall, be less viewership
As Chairman of the Infractions Committee at the time of the UNC scandal, Sankey was basically the one to let them off Scot free. I sure was ready to dub him a moron then but he has done an admirable job since. Not Mike Slive or Roy Kramer good but good.
With the Grant of Rights being estimated at $300 million, I agree with you that he would have to be a moron of the highest order to pay that amount. That would be close to the same amount the SEC is expected to get from CBS in a new contract for the SEC on CBS. Of course that does not include what ESPN will pay for SEC TV rights in the new contract.
The purpose of my post was to point out how much Clemson thinks of themselves not to mention they don’t have $300 million to buy out the Grant of Rights.
But all of that is moot. Either the courts will overturn the Grants of Rights or ESPN and the other networks which have TV contracts with conferences that get left out of realignment will renegotiate the GOR’s way down IMHO.
All that to say Clemson will be a member of the SEC within the next two years. I sincerely hope I am wrong.
Clemson is going to end up in the SEC. End of story. One way or another, it's going to happen.. The grant of rights is certainly a major obstacle, but the ACC faces total irrelevance if the SEC and Big 10 move forward without any ACC programs.
Best case scenario would have ND finally joining the ACC. With the grant of rights locking things up and the last major piece of the realignment puzzle joining the league, the would be a major kink for superconference formation.
I hope the whole thing totally implodes like the financial crisis of 2008. Complete and total collapse.
Best case scenario would have ND finally joining the ACC. With the grant of rights locking things up and the last major piece of the realignment puzzle joining the league, the would be a major kink for superconference formation.
I hope the whole thing totally implodes like the financial crisis of 2008. Complete and total collapse.
Clemson is a one sport school, that brings nothing else to the table. They will not add revenue to the SEC because they are in a market already SEC strong with USC and UGA. Also, the only reason they are considered elite at this time in football is the result of playing a cupcake schedule that has resulted in guaranteed regular season wins and healthy players for the post season. The SEC grind will result in their never sniffing a conference or national championship again. The SEC gains nothing adding Clemson!
I usually try to totally avoid these types of takes but I will bite. One sport school argument is a joke. Clemson has historically been a top 20 baseball school and they have recently invested heavily in that to get back to those days. They have added softball and have been to the last 2 tournaments including a super regional and only look to improve. Good at both men and womens soccer including a recent mens national championship. Historically strong in tennis, golf and track and field. Outside of a mediocre mens basketball team and a bad womens program I think sport wise they bring a lot.
Revenue is now based on viewership which is driven by matchups. It is not the old school "tv market." As of right now, Clemson would bring more prime matchups which results in more viewership and more money for everybody.
No doubt that Clemson has benefited from their schedule. They also have limitations because they play in the ACC. If they went to the SEC they would then be able to recruit to the "come play in the SEC" and also have that extra SEC money. There are benefits and downfalls of playing in the SEC or ACC, you cannot just look at one side.
Question (if you know)....What is UND's responsibility with respect to the GOR since they have a separate TV contract for football?
I have seen so many different things about GOR here recently that I have no true idea about that.
I would say it has to be favorable at some degree for ND because ND is always 100% about themselves.
UNC's academic irregularities were and are a Southern Association of Colleges and Schools issue, not an NCAA issue. I don't see anyone getting on the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools. As for your timetable on UPC's admission into the SEC, I believe way too much groundwork would have to be laid in order for that schedule to be met.
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Realistically I guess all universities are totally about themselves. ND just plays on a different playing field compared to the rest.
Trying to make a case for invitation to the SEC?No way in Hell should South Carolina,Georgia.Tennessee and Florida go along with this.Especially if Clemson wants the SEC to “help”foot the bill to get out of the ACC.
Not saying they should go along with it but I am not sure that matters. I mean I doubt A&M really wanted Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC.
You also left out some other matchups I think they lose. I think they lose to Arkansas. I think Kentucky, miss st, ole miss could be problems for them, especially on the road. They might not have to play the 9 you mentioned in one season but as members they would have to play a lot of those teams in one season. Every damn year. They won't be sniffing CFP for awhile. Imo.
I see what you are saying and do agree that the overall competition level would increase. But people think Clemson is all of a sudden going to be a 6-6 team just because they play in the SEC and that just does not make sense to me. People also want to just talk about the tougher schedule that Clemson would play and seem to ignore the advantages. Right now Clemson is doing what they do while netting 20-30 million dollars less than those SEC schools, that would be gone. They also would get to wave the SEC banner in recruiting which one could argue would improve recruiting even more.
Again, not arguing competition would overall increase but Clemson would absolutely still be in the conversation each year.
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