Clifford was supposed to participate in the Hula Bowl yesterday.
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Looks like Cliff is at the college Bowl and getting some attention. Interesting comments.
Clifford at the college bowl
Clifford at the college bowl
With the success of Brock Purdy quarterbacks with a lot of college experience are going to get chances. It's a copycat league.
A real shame for him and the team when he went down in the Iowa game.
(And a real shame on the coaching staff for not having a clue what to do when that happened.)
(And a real shame on the coaching staff for not having a clue what to do when that happened.)
Reality is all NFL teams need 3 QBs (including those on practice squads). Some of the backups are horrible. If Clifford can play like he did at his last game in Beaver Stadium (Michigan State) and in the Rose Bowl, he is as good as some of them. Curious what happens at the combine-he may interview well.
Not something to get fired over, but at that point in the season to not know who the 2nd best option was at QB didn't make sense.
Why don't we fire them all?
Did you forget CV was not an option at that time?
Not an option because he was a true freshman? Isn't that the point?
It would seem that those that question the staff's believing that Roberson was the 2nd best QB also believe that with Clifford as a returning starter the staff should have pounded the reps for Roberson and Veilleux to have them better prepared and to also make that competition for the backup job more competitive by giving the true freshman Veilleux the reps he needed to show he was the actual #2 QB.
It's not unheard of for true freshmen that are good enough to play significant minutes and perform decently.
It's 20-20 hindsight, but given what we know it seems like a legit question. Not that it matters now......
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As an experienced coach at a lower level and I assume salary than James Franklin, would you ever have allowed yourself to not have a backup QB capable of getting off a snap?
Are you willing to acknowledge that criticism of Franklin as fair, despite most of us having never coached football?
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Are you willing to acknowledge you are not privy to all the reasons the coaches put Roberson in the game and not CV?
If anything, CV got out of the doghouse rather quickly. Lol
And if I recall, Roberson did lead them on a scoring drive (a FG), so it’s not like he was completely incapable of playing the position. He also played in a couple of other games (blowouts) and had no trouble getting the snap off. He just froze and made mistakes, not something a coach can know is going to happen.
Don’t you know according to some here you are never under any circumstances allowed to criticize a coach or any of their decisions unless you at least coached at the Pee Wee football level.
Nice redirect, counsellor.
But yes you are correct that I am not privy as to why Roberson was considered the best option.
However, are you willing to acknowledge that through recruiting, development, and coaching that a coaching staff making well into 7 figures should have a viable back-up available that can maintain a two score lead and burn enough clock to get out of dodge with a W?
Having some clue about what you’re arguing usually makes sense.
Everyone has the right to and seemingly does criticize. Does that automatically make it valid criticism? If bitching about something that happened over a year ago makes hair grow on your chest.....have at it. Fellow fanboys will line up to cheer you on.
So you have never witnessed a football game (even with the starting QB healthy) where a team lost...having once led by two scores? if you have not.....are you saying that in every case the reason for the result was poor coaching on the part of the losing squad?
No, more often than not...unfair. I will however acknowledge that everyone is entitled to their respective opinions. I enjoy the studied ones and am amused by the others.
"more often than not" = always
Seriously, please cite a single example where you agreed with another poster on any criticism of Franklin.
Also, please cite one of those studied criticisms which you have enjoyed and not taken a contrary position to.
No redirect. No rationalization. Just examples, which should be very easy if they exist.
We'll wait.
You can wait till hell freezes over. What makes you think I need to respond to your commands? If you don’t like my approach "we'll " can pound salt. LOL
I will say this...if I need to take sides on an issue with PSU football, I'd always side with the coaches as opposed to someone like you.
Roberson had a bad day. Intense pressure. He didn’t live up to the moment. I’m not sure how the coaches can get you ready for that. But he was good enough to play. He won the starting spot at UConn. That’s pretty darn good.
Thank you for confirming that there are indeed no examples of even studied criticism of Franklin that you agreed with.
Winning the starting power forward spot at UConn is pretty darn good. The QB spot? It's like being the tallest building in New Hampshire. Nice, but not noteworthy.
Having said that I've heard he's a great kid, and UConn is a great school that will prepare him well for life after football.
Coaches *could* pipe incredibly loud crowd noise into Holuba with live contact practices with full blitzes from the first team D. They *could* drill ad nauseam on silent snaps. They *could* have sports psychologists working with kids on mental toughness. They *could* split first team snaps more than 90/10 for the most important position on the roster. Etc. Etc.
Maybe they did all this and more and the kid just folded. But to those of us without a storied career as a HS gym teacher and part time football coach (like other experts on this board), he did seem woefully unprepared for that game situation.
In other words, you have no idea what the coaching staff did to get him ready, but you’re going to criticize anyway…got it.
Please contrast his performance at Iowa in his 3rd year in the program with true Freshman Tua's performance off the bench in the second half of Bama's National Championship game and tell me which QB appeared to be better coached?
Or which QB appeared to be better. Future NFL stars tend to be better even as freshmen than guys who will never sniff the NFL. Why was Barkley so good as a freshman and Keyvon Lee and Caziah Holmes were not as good? I guess they did a poor coaching job with those two guys and a better coaching job with Barkley. And some guys just can’t handle pressure situations no matter the coaching.
I'm curious re: why we don't go back to, say, 1976 and discuss screw-ups that occurred in that year.
Let's recall the 1969 season and decide who should have been fired for screw-ups in that seaon.
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