Coach Cig 10-0

85Bears

Well-known member
Jan 12, 2020
1,656
1,508
108
He obviously walked into a fantastic situation with a bunch of 4 & 5 star players and 22 Senior Starters. 😉
Arnett did, at least 18 senior starters and coming off 9-4, but we needed our boosters to fire the coaching staff, replace with good ol boy cronies and change the offense to rundaball. GENIUS
 

Trojanbulldog19

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2014
9,040
4,580
113
Don't you know you need 4-5 years to build up a program so you don't get run off the field every week by any team with a pulse but hey not everyone can hire someone that 2-10 is an improvement of expectations when the guy he replaced was 5-7. Arnett was terrible and at least figured out how to win 5
 

Called3rdstrikedawg

Well-known member
May 7, 2016
866
871
93
Haven't you heard. You always have to get worse than your previous worse to get better! We hadn't quite hit rock bottom last year. So we had to have this season to get that "bounce" off the hard bottom! At least I HOPE this season is the hard bottom for us.😳😳
 
  • Like
Reactions: 85Bears

tired

Well-known member
Sep 16, 2013
2,881
554
113
I love the way everyone finds the one huge success story and acts like it should be that easy for everyone
It wasn't easy. He put in a lot of hard work, made the right moves, and knew what he was doing. The point is, he was available when we were looking for a coach. It could've been State.

That's why you have a national coaching search, and not hire a buddy.
 
Oct 7, 2022
190
195
43
I love the way everyone finds the one huge success story and acts like it should be that easy for everyone
Are you f ing serious?

Pull up the GD recruiting rankings for IU over the last 5 years. Yes. I have a family member that graduated from there in the last 5 years.

That guy is one of the best coaches in the game.

It is that easy dipstick when you place your criteria for hiring someone with head coaching experience.
 

Howiefeltersnstch

Active member
Dec 28, 2019
695
845
78
I can promise you he didn't have a bunch of 4 star players and still doesn't. But also he doesn't play in the SEC. But he has a system that is tried and true. We would be better off if we had hired him and I remember his name was brought up on this board several times. I'm sure we would not be undefeated against our schedule. It's not quite the same. They have not played Texas, Texas A&M, Georgia and Tennessee
 
  • Like
Reactions: Irondawg
Nov 22, 2023
49
92
18
Are you f ing serious?

Pull up the GD recruiting rankings for IU over the last 5 years. Yes. I have a family member that graduated from there in the last 5 years.

That guy is one of the best coaches in the game.

It is that easy dipstick when you place your criteria for hiring someone with head coaching experience.
Easy, just like the Auburn hire? Better odds, yes. Easy, no.
 

The Peeper

Well-known member
Feb 26, 2008
12,356
5,689
113
I love the way everyone finds the one huge success story and acts like it should be that easy for everyone
Deion Sanders (I can't stand the guy) is 7-2 in his 2nd year. He drained the pool last year and brought in 50 new players, 26 this year. You think we'll be 7-2 next year?
 

RocketDawg

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2011
16,591
544
113
I can promise you he didn't have a bunch of 4 star players and still doesn't. But also he doesn't play in the SEC. But he has a system that is tried and true. We would be better off if we had hired him and I remember his name was brought up on this board several times. I'm sure we would not be undefeated against our schedule. It's not quite the same. They have not played Texas, Texas A&M, Georgia and Tennessee
Not SEC, but they're in the B1G - which normally would be a big deal. But so far, they're not played a single team that is currently ranked in the Top 25. They have Ohio State coming up next after a bye week, but that'll be the only ranked team on their schedule.

MSU, on the other hand, has played 4 Top 25 teams so far, and the remaining 2 games are against currently ranked teams. Chances are good that half our games will be against ranked opponents. That's not an excuse for only winning 2 games, but it makes it slightly more understandable.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Irondawg and patdog

85Bears

Well-known member
Jan 12, 2020
1,656
1,508
108
Not SEC, but they're in the B1G - which normally would be a big deal. But so far, they're not played a single team that is currently ranked in the Top 25. They have Ohio State coming up next after a bye week, but that'll be the only ranked team on their schedule.

MSU, on the other hand, has played 4 Top 25 teams so far, and the remaining 2 games are against currently ranked teams. Chances are good that half our games will be against ranked opponents. That's not an excuse for only winning 2 games, but it makes it slightly more understandable.
IU is a good team, extremely well coached.
 

Trojanbulldog19

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2014
9,040
4,580
113
Well don't let Salmon know
I bet Selmon didn't act alone. Someone in the building or rich alumn said hey our offense is terrible it worked with leach and Mullen having an offensive guy go get your buddy at OU. Without really thinking about what made leach and Mullen unique. Without thinking about Moorhead.
 

Called3rdstrikedawg

Well-known member
May 7, 2016
866
871
93
Not SEC, but they're in the B1G - which normally would be a big deal. But so far, they're not played a single team that is currently ranked in the Top 25. They have Ohio State coming up next after a bye week, but that'll be the only ranked team on their schedule.

MSU, on the other hand, has played 4 Top 25 teams so far, and the remaining 2 games are against currently ranked teams. Chances are good that half our games will be against ranked opponents. That's not an excuse for only winning 2 games, but it makes it slightly more understandable.
Does it make it more understandable to get blown out at home against Toledo or losing to Arizona State? How about getting blown out at home by Arkansas, the other nobody from the former SEC West? No way we will know if Cigneti would have beat those 3, but, I just have a feeling with him bringing his entire staff to Starkville, the results from hiring a sitting HC would be remarkably better than hiring Junior High head coaches as assistants
 
  • Like
Reactions: AT4 Dawg

AT4 Dawg

Member
Sep 18, 2012
237
227
43
three words :

proof of concept

It matters when hiring coaches. No more hires based on projection, please.
 

RocketDawg

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2011
16,591
544
113
Does it make it more understandable to get blown out at home against Toledo or losing to Arizona State? How about getting blown out at home by Arkansas, the other nobody from the former SEC West? No way we will know if Cigneti would have beat those 3, but, I just have a feeling with him bringing his entire staff to Starkville, the results from hiring a sitting HC would be remarkably better than hiring Junior High head coaches as assistants
Well, one thing's for sure - hiring him instead of Lebby wouldn't have been any worse. Would he have come had we offered? Would he still come? Indiana's not exactly a big football name. Best I can tell from a quick search, his salary plus all his bonuses this year is still less than Lebby's base pay. He makes good money, but not much in the current college coaching world.
 

bully12

Active member
Sep 2, 2012
1,314
436
83
Well, one thing's for sure - hiring him instead of Lebby wouldn't have been any worse. Would he have come had we offered? Would he still come? Indiana's not exactly a big football name. Best I can tell from a quick search, his salary plus all his bonuses this year is still less than Lebby's base pay. He makes good money, but not much in the current college coaching world.
Welp, you give him another year or two with the same results, and he certainly will be getting paid somewhere!! AU? USC w? Michigan? Penn State? IU (they'll really have to pony up bigtime to keep him there). Think of the movie "Breaking Away".
 

OG Goat Holder

Well-known member
Sep 30, 2022
8,169
7,770
113
It’s easier than we make it. We try hard to screw ourselves over. It’s just what happens when our fanbase is allowed to drive things.

We need leaders that don’t listen to our boosters, rather they tell them what to do and how to get in line.
 
Get unlimited access today.

Pick the right plan for you.

Already a member? Login