why was it mandatory for Routt to pitch a complete game with Reed ready to close it out. We were one batter from the tying run being to the plate and the last out could have easily been a double in the gap and that was after going 3-0 on the batter. I'll gladly take the win but why do I have to be given high blood pressure when there is no reason for it.
Cohen scares the daylights out of me....
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why was it mandatory for Routt to pitch a complete game with Reed ready to close it out. We were one batter from the tying run being to the plate and the last out could have easily been a double in the gap and that was after going 3-0 on the batter. I'll gladly take the win but why do I have to be given high blood pressure when there is no reason for it.
He'd been dealing all night, he wasn't labouring in the 8th, and his pitch count wasn't high. Despite the "trouble" in the 9th, he still only threw 114 pitches for the CG. And if he'd given up another run, I guaran-damn-tee Cohen would have brought in Reed. My advice: take the Super Regional off from posting, then quit.
that doesn't mean I can't question the decision to let a guy with over 110 pitches come within one ball of walking the tying run up to the plate. And what is this "he deserved the chance for a complete game"? A CG is not that big of a deal anyway and it certainly doesn't come before nailing down the biggest win of the year. To run a guy WAY past his largest pitch count of the year when we could bring in a relatively fresh Reed to get the last 1 or 2 outs and nail it down just didn't make sense to me. It was pretty obvious to me that, just like we saw in the ninth with Mitchell last night, Routt was starting to lose his ability to locate his pitches. The win was great, my only comment was having to be put on edge when we had a 5 run lead to start the inning. Luckily Shepherd covers a lot of ground out in the outfield. Would have been no point in not getting Reed out there until he was facing the tying run. The whole point of having a rested bullpen today was to not have to push a starter past where he needed to go. We also will likely need Routt not to be arm weary next weekend. Oh well, it worked out this time so on to Gainesville.
maroonmania said:
There is nothing wrong with anything you wrote. This place is getting mighty touchy when it comes to questioning anything Cohen does. If Route gives up a grand slam after throwing 100 plus pitches everyone would be going nuts right now.
When he's losing effectiveness, it's time to take him out. Cohen left both Mitchell and Routt in too long. Fortunately, we had big leads and it didn't hurt us. I wouldn't have brought Reed in though. I would have brought in Stark or Graveman after the first runner got on base in the 9th, then had Reed in the pen if the tying run got to the plate (or maybe on deck).
Thank you for proving once again that you are an idiot. How is throwing a complete game in a regional final with plenty of MLB scouts in attendance NOT a big deal? Moron.maroonmania said:
And that's certainly not a bad thing.
But, I agree with Cohen- and I'll try to explain. Routt did pitch very well, but a lot of the reason he was left in was because we had enough of a lead that it didn't qualify for a save situation. Also, the hits that they got that inning off of Routt were balls that were not hit hard.
So, the inning starts and we have a 5+ run lead. So, not a save situation, so your closer is not going to be up in the bullpen. You get your closer up when the first baserunner gets on- that's what we did. So that he would be ready if the game got to a save situation.
I know what you are thinking right now- why not have your closer already warmed up and ready to go? Here's the thing about closers- a lot of them perform better in save situations. So, if you have a big lead and you bring your closer in, they sometimes turn the game into a save situation. And because of that, a lot of managers will not bring their closer in until it actually is a save situation- because that is a situation that they are familiar and more comfortable with, and thus more effective. Plus, if you bring them in too soon and they get hit a little bit, then by the time a game is a save situation, they've lost some confidence, the other team has gained confidence, and you have already burned up your closer- and a lot of teams only have one.
Also back to Routt- he was cruising for the most part late in the game until the ninth. That's why he went back out there. Cohen was not going to let that game get out of hand though. Not even close. If GT had gotten one more hit, Reed would have been in the game.
But those are all things that factored into the decision.
But, I agree with Cohen- and I'll try to explain. Routt did pitch very well, but a lot of the reason he was left in was because we had enough of a lead that it didn't qualify for a save situation. Also, the hits that they got that inning off of Routt were balls that were not hit hard.
So, the inning starts and we have a 5+ run lead. So, not a save situation, so your closer is not going to be up in the bullpen. You get your closer up when the first baserunner gets on- that's what we did. So that he would be ready if the game got to a save situation.
I know what you are thinking right now- why not have your closer already warmed up and ready to go? Here's the thing about closers- a lot of them perform better in save situations. So, if you have a big lead and you bring your closer in, they sometimes turn the game into a save situation. And because of that, a lot of managers will not bring their closer in until it actually is a save situation- because that is a situation that they are familiar and more comfortable with, and thus more effective. Plus, if you bring them in too soon and they get hit a little bit, then by the time a game is a save situation, they've lost some confidence, the other team has gained confidence, and you have already burned up your closer- and a lot of teams only have one.
Also back to Routt- he was cruising for the most part late in the game until the ninth. That's why he went back out there. Cohen was not going to let that game get out of hand though. Not even close. If GT had gotten one more hit, Reed would have been in the game.
But those are all things that factored into the decision.
I was sitting right behind home plate and his pitches were spot on all night. All night bitches. Nick deserved to get the chance to close that one out. If he got into one more ounce of trouble then I'm sure Cohen would have dealt with it. **** man, we just won a regionalon an ACC foe's home turf. Whats your deal?
That's why I was ok leaving him in. Had he walked the first two runners, I would have been thinking, "ok, he has lost effectiveness... time to get him out of the game," but that wasn't the case. He battled back from a 3-0 deficit to get the strikeout on the leadoff hitter. Even though you could tell he was wearing out in the eighth inning because his fastball tended to miss high and outside, he did exactly what he needed to do. He stuck to throwing hard over the plate and either getting the strikeout or forcing ground balls, and for the most part, that's exactly what he did. The situation had not become dire enough to take him out of the game (being up 5 runs and essentially 2 outs due to the first batter being struck out, even though there were 2 men on base), so why not let him try to close it out himself.