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Comparing PSU @ OSU 2008 ...... to PSU @ OSU 2023

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SoCalLion

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2008 was, of course, the last time we went into Columbus and beat a Top 10 Buckeye team.

We played rather classic "TresselBall" in that game --- we only scored 13 points but it was enough. We won.

Please tell me, why on Earth didn't we try to do the same thing this year? Especially given we had a younger QB and worse WR? Our defense did hold the Buckeyes to only 20 points (13 points before that dumb 4th down call midway through the 4th gave them a short field). We didn't need a metric ton of points to win.

  • 2008:
    • 22-year-old QB (Daryll Clark) who had already experienced a road game in a tough atmosphere (at Wisconsin) a few weeks beforehand.
    • WR bunch included Deon Butler, Jordan Norwood and Derrick Williams - they all made it to the NFL.
    • We had 37 rushes versus 20 passes.
    • Only 4.1 YPC rushing.
    • Converted nearly every 3rd-down-and-short, mostly by running the ball.
    • 0 turnovers.
  • 2023:
    • 19-year-old QB (Drew Allar) who had not experienced a road game in a tough atmosphere prior.
    • WR bunch is, as we all know, not particularly great or deep.
    • We had 26 rushes versus 42 passes.
    • Singleton & Allen combined had 4.1 YPC (1.9 YPC for the team, accounting for Allar rushes and sacks). 4.1 YPC equals 2008's number.
    • Infamously terrible at 3rd-down-conversions. Didn't convert any 3rd-down-and-shorts, and passed the ball on most of them.
    • 0 turnovers (we did do this right).
Isn't this coaching malpractice? It was about as obvious a TresselBall game as could be --- and our coaches decided to do something different!
 
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Penn State's 2008 Offensive Line was so much better than the 2023 version......players and especially coaching (Anderson, Kenney)
 
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LB99 said:
Too bad he didn’t play at Iowa when it was obvious Clark still wasn’t right.
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Jay overruled Joe during the game.

Galen didn’t want to intervene so he just kept biting his fingernails
 
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SoCalLion said:
2008 was, of course, the last time we went into Columbus and beat a Top 10 Buckeye team.

We played rather classic "TresselBall" in that game --- we only scored 13 points but it was enough. We won.

Please tell me, why on Earth didn't we try to do the same thing this year? Especially given we had a younger QB and worse WR? Our defense did hold the Buckeyes to only 20 points (13 points before that dumb 4th down call midway through the 4th gave them a short field). We didn't need a metric ton of points to win.

  • 2008:
    • 22-year-old QB (Daryll Clark) who had already experienced a road game in a tough atmosphere (at Wisconsin) a few weeks beforehand.
    • WR bunch included Deon Butler, Jordan Norwood and Derrick Williams - they all made it to the NFL.
    • We had 37 rushes versus 20 passes.
    • Only 4.1 YPC rushing.
    • Converted nearly every 3rd-down-and-short, mostly by running the ball.
    • 0 turnovers.
  • 2023:
    • 19-year-old QB (Drew Allar) who had not experienced a road game in a tough atmosphere prior.
    • WR bunch is, as we all know, not particularly great or deep.
    • We had 26 rushes versus 42 passes.
    • Singleton & Allen combined had 4.1 YPC (1.9 YPC for the team, accounting for Allar rushes and sacks). 4.1 YPC equals 2008's number.
    • Infamously terrible at 3rd-down-conversions. Didn't convert any 3rd-down-and-shorts, and passed the ball on most of them.
    • 0 turnovers (we did do this right).
Isn't this coaching malpractice? It was about as obvious a TresselBall game as could be --- and our coaches decided to do something different!
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CORRECTO MUNDO! Bonehead Franklin too impatient and panics in the clutch like usual. Then he has the testicular fortitude when asked in the post-game presser why he went for it to say: we may not have gotten the ball back if we punted. BS! There was 7+ minutes left on the clock, we had three timeouts and a stellar defense that wars giving up nothing. They could have muffed the punt, or we might have pinned them deep, caused a turnover, etc. You have to trust the defense there. Franklin comes up short under stress in the big games over and over again. Sad. He does not understand field position (Tresselball in your parlance). Chokes in crucial situations in the big games. Wish we had a smart Brown graduate to make those decisions!
 
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We never had the lead in the game so we had to find ways to score, and I guess passing was the route.
The heavy incompletions (18/42) stopped the clock and gave OSU, ultimately, more possession time (25:36vs34:24).
I do thiink that we should have run the ball more and not bringing in Pirbula at all when things were so tough remains puzzling..
 
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LealandLoyal said:
CORRECTO MUNDO! Bonehead Franklin too impatient and panics in the clutch like usual. Then he has the testicular fortitude when asked in the post-game presser why he went for it to say: we may not have gotten the ball back if we punted. BS! There was 7+ minutes left on the clock, we had three timeouts and a stellar defense that wars giving up nothing. They could have muffed the punt, or we might have pinned them deep, caused a turnover, etc. You have to trust the defense there. Franklin comes up short under stress in the big games over and over again. Sad. He does not understand field position (Tresselball in your parlance). Chokes in crucial situations in the big games. Wish we had a smart Brown graduate to make those decisions!
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The 2008 game was a chess match to see who would make the first mistake or who could correctly anticipate the next guys move. I think the 2008 coaching staff were patient in that aspect of the game and didn't try any wacky gimmicky plays or try to out smart themselves by running the ball on 3rd and long or passing the ball on 3rd and 1. The one thing I did like about that 2008 coaching staff is that they seemed to stick to the fundamentals in big games like this. We always thought it was too conservative but in hindsight, it may not have been and they were looking for a weakness to open something up which appears they had found when Devlin came in.
 
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Running the ball isn’t sexy. Most OCs need to prove how smart they are. If the winning formula is running it 45 times and throwing it 20 times they will find a way to out think themselves.

Example 1st series on Saturday. Run for 6 yards. I’m thinking keep feeding #10 #13. Next play a 2 yard out. You know the rest of the story.
 
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Not sure using ‘08 is a great comparison in the grand scheme of things. No doubt the ‘08 team had the coaches use a better plan to win their tOSU matchup than this years edition did in the offensive and outcome failure.

But then ‘08 followed it up with the plan used in the Iowa game. Not going to rehash that all, but it was a 100% blown opportunity to play for the MNC by the same staff against a much lessor team than ‘23 tOSU. That was a much larger failure than this past weekend.

Here’s hoping this year’s edition has a better plan against UM (can say both of them), and the game against the highly ranked UM gets the home field QB performance. If not, I’ll hope they rebound by winning out and ending with the same 2 overall losses the ‘08 team had.
 
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Our offense never got dialed in Saturday. Those who are upset about the 4th down attempt are the same ones who would be questioning why we never took any chances and played field position.

Allar didn’t have it, Yurcich play calling was questionable, and nobody stepped up to make a play outside of the penalty-overturned fumble return. It just wasn't our day. I hate it. It sucked. Hopefully we learned something from it that we can use vs Indiana, Maryland, and Michigan.
 
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