I'm not really for the 25 man limit. I mean you can't abuse it and sign 37 but there has to be a little leeway.
Also - no more Maye or Masoli types.
Also - no more Maye or Masoli types.
Cowbells approved and SEC adopted 25 man signing class limit...
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I'm not really for the 25 man limit. I mean you can't abuse it and sign 37 but there has to be a little leeway.
Also - no more Maye or Masoli types.
Also - no more Maye or Masoli types.
I'm not really for the 25 man limit. I mean you can't abuse it and sign 37 but there has to be a little leeway.
Also - no more Maye or Masoli types.
Also - no more Maye or Masoli types.
Is that after several coaches condemned the 28 man signing limit as being immoral, the coaches voted 12-0 to keep the limit at 28.
That's all that can be said.
Honestly, if you want to get right down to it, the SEC East schools in large part are the ones that won't be affected by signing limitations. This gives them a distinct advantage over the schools in the West.
ETA: This is exactly the type of stuff the Big 10 has been doing. There is no reason to handicap yourself as a league. If the NCAA wants to adopt a rule, abide by it, but why go a step further and make your coaches have a more difficult time than everyone else out there. Just plain freaking ignorance on all accounts. This is what happens when a bunch of old white guys with no freaking clue about how athletics work get to be the ones who make the decisions on how it should be run.
Honestly, if you want to get right down to it, the SEC East schools in large part are the ones that won't be affected by signing limitations. This gives them a distinct advantage over the schools in the West.
ETA: This is exactly the type of stuff the Big 10 has been doing. There is no reason to handicap yourself as a league. If the NCAA wants to adopt a rule, abide by it, but why go a step further and make your coaches have a more difficult time than everyone else out there. Just plain freaking ignorance on all accounts. This is what happens when a bunch of old white guys with no freaking clue about how athletics work get to be the ones who make the decisions on how it should be run.
considering this rule is your school's, and, more specifically, your coach's fault. Had he done this in moderation,like Saban and Richt...we wouldn't have this new rule. But when youoversign by a dozen and thenrun 10+ players off every year, leaving them without a viable alternative (when they could've elected to sign a scholarship with someone else)....well, what the hell do you expect? You can't cheat a dozen kids every year and expect to get away with it.RebelBruiser said:
It means that teh SEC will be missing out on a few good athletes in the future. If the NCAA allows the transfer, then the SEC should too..
Going to have to sign players you know will make it to school now. I don't have a problem with it. You still have 25 player per year to reach your 85 scholarship players, so in 4 years you can sign 100 players and that leaves you with a 15% attrition rate.
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No, it's Slive's fault because he's so concerned with what the media says.
By the way, Nutt hasn't been the one running players off. We've had issues retaining players, but it's largely been discipline or grade issues, not cuts. Alabama and LSU are the culprits when it comes to cutting players.
As I said, there is no reason whatsoever to hamstring your coaches. If the NCAA wants to adopt a rule, or if you want to push the NCAA to adopt a rule, fine, but all Slive is doing is helping out the local ACC and CUSA schools that will have access to players they might normally not get.
As I said, this is a really bad rule mainly for the West schools plus South Carolina and Tennessee. UK, Georgia, Florida, and Vandy usually haven't had to worry about oversigning, but the others do it, and it's done for a reason. You have to play a numbers game. College football is big business, and it's a privilege for a player to even get a scholarship offer in the first place. Sometimes that scholarship may not be around later on, but that player still has an option to step down to a lesser conference or lower division and play on scholarship. Just because a few players get their feelings hurt or get caught up in the machine doesn't mean you need to overhaul the rules. The players know the risks when they choose to step up and play at the highest level. If they want a guaranteed scholarship, they can always choose to go play CUSA or 1AA.
And you especially don't overhaul the rules when your other competitors don't have to play by the rules that you put on your own teams.
It would be like Slive saying the SEC is going to adopt a rule where we play games with only 10 men on the field in the SEC because the media felt it would be better for the future of football and the student athlete to have fewer players on the field at a time, except it applies to only SEC teams. Well, when you go out of conference you're playing 10 on 11. So be it, we're being honorable and keeping the media happy even though we have to play on an uneven playing field. That's essentially what this rule and any rule over and above the NCAA requirements does to your league.
I just find it ironic that you Rebels are the loudest ones whining about it when it's your coach's own doing. I also didn't disagree that other schools were doing it, I just pointed out that Nutt has no tact when he does it and it garners a ton of attention. If you're denying that this is the 2nd rule the SEC has had to put into place b/c of his recruiting tactics, then I can't help you.
As for naming the "30 plus players" (as your TSUN buddy asked me to do), that's been covered ad naseum, and Veazey just did a pretty good piece on it himself.
You guys are delusional if you honestly believe it's "discipline" or "grade" issues.
As for naming the "30 plus players" (as your TSUN buddy asked me to do), that's been covered ad naseum, and Veazey just did a pretty good piece on it himself.
You guys are delusional if you honestly believe it's "discipline" or "grade" issues.
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You only have an opinion on this because it handicaps Houston's style. If you had a brain at all, you'd realize that this sort of thing HELPS the smaller schools. It makes the Sabans actually choose a player instead of taking whoever they want. Gives us more to choose from.
Your predictable homerism is annoying. Everyone here knows how you think before you even decide to post. Pathetic. You never side against Ole Miss. The only reason you pretend to hate Bianco is because it makes it seem like Ole Miss is somehow superior and Bianco is holding you back. Effing moron.
Your predictable homerism is annoying. Everyone here knows how you think before you even decide to post. Pathetic. You never side against Ole Miss. The only reason you pretend to hate Bianco is because it makes it seem like Ole Miss is somehow superior and Bianco is holding you back. Effing moron.
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with a Juco heavy squad. So in a reactionary movethe SEC decided to make it tougher for Juco's to get in. They adopted a 3 semester rule and also started to require an extra math class than other conferences such as the Big 12.
Nutt absolutely abused the rule and brought negative attention to the conference by signing 37 f'n players. The presidents didn't like it so this is the result. There was a big loophole in the 28 limit with december signees which Nutt again took advantage of. They should have kept it at 28 and closed the december loophole. Doing both is too extreme.
Nutt absolutely abused the rule and brought negative attention to the conference by signing 37 f'n players. The presidents didn't like it so this is the result. There was a big loophole in the 28 limit with december signees which Nutt again took advantage of. They should have kept it at 28 and closed the december loophole. Doing both is too extreme.
We already have 22 of our 28 signees from last year on campus. Only one signee is definitely not making it. And only three more of those 28 have work left to do this summer.fishwater99 said:
I have been very critical of Nutt lately, but I don't see us as having a problem getting people into school.
So what happens on signing day when you have 25 spots to fill and you are waiting on your final commits?
What if more than 25 choose to sign? Do you have kids waiting in the wings until they know they have a spot? Guys won't get to sign or will have to pick a 2nd choice at the very last minute. They didn't think this through at all.
What if more than 25 choose to sign? Do you have kids waiting in the wings until they know they have a spot? Guys won't get to sign or will have to pick a 2nd choice at the very last minute. They didn't think this through at all.
I know HDN has a few greyshirts waiting in the wings every year. We even have a few 'preferred walkons'. I don't think in the end it will matter that much, possibly increase cheating to get kids qualified. I bet some MPS teachers and guidance counselors will get a taste of the swag, like a pre-owned Z71 or something.
It's only 3 scholarships. If you have to recruit the HDN way then you're in trouble already. Plus maybe it limits Bama, LSU, Auburn, Tenn, etc... From loading up on a few extra kids from Mississippi.
It's only 3 scholarships. If you have to recruit the HDN way then you're in trouble already. Plus maybe it limits Bama, LSU, Auburn, Tenn, etc... From loading up on a few extra kids from Mississippi.
What did he have in mind for the 12 players he signed that he didn't have a spot for?
I understand you're such a homer that you're not going to change your mind. I'm ok with that. I really don't care what you think, but the rest of the SEC realizes this is The Houston Nutt Rule, Revision 2. I also understand that now that TSUN is irrelevant in every sport, you were really counting on those recruiting championships...now that has been taken from you too. I would be upset too if we had just finished 4-8, and this year's prospects were even worse. And that's AFTER your recruiting championships. Yeah, I guess you're really down in the dumps now....just think how bad it will be now that they brought down the hammer on your recruiting tactics. I admit, it's a scary outlook for you; I'd probably be lashing out too.
I understand you're such a homer that you're not going to change your mind. I'm ok with that. I really don't care what you think, but the rest of the SEC realizes this is The Houston Nutt Rule, Revision 2. I also understand that now that TSUN is irrelevant in every sport, you were really counting on those recruiting championships...now that has been taken from you too. I would be upset too if we had just finished 4-8, and this year's prospects were even worse. And that's AFTER your recruiting championships. Yeah, I guess you're really down in the dumps now....just think how bad it will be now that they brought down the hammer on your recruiting tactics. I admit, it's a scary outlook for you; I'd probably be lashing out too.