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[HRMSU]

Its really not. I mean each contract is worth more than others. But again most QBs that are worried about winning.. will structure, re-structure, and make sure there are others around them that can help. No one is saying they didnt get paid.. but they didnt set the market either. They made sure there was enough to spare. For example Mahomes signed a 10 year deal. And has already re-structured his contract to benefit the organziation. You dont think he could get 60-70 million had he wanted it?

Again you dont think players like Mahomes, Brady, Either Manning, Brees, and company couldnt have named their price wherever they went.

Dak made it clear this decision was a business one, which again is fine... but thats going to keep the team in a bind. Again this really isnt arguable. They are going to have to get cheap, produtive talent to put around dak, and that comes from the draft. he's why they've kept all their draft picks, this year. They've gotta re model themselves due to the big contract.

Oh believe me, the Cowboys know the kick the can down the road restructure move so not really relevant here.

Uh, yeah Brady and Mahomes are kind of in a different stratosphere than Dak....they are generational talents so not really apples to apples besides those organizations were in the case of the Pats and are in the case of the chiefs run at a high level. Not so much in Dallas....I'm getting my money. Now, I could see Dak maybe doing this if he won a SB....maybe but if you aren't generational you got to get paid when you can because you don't know how long you got. Brady and Mahomes did and will play as long as they want.

As for Brees ask Saints fans what the genius Coach Peyton did to their salary cap situation but hey he did win a SB so might have been worth it.

 

[HRMSU]

I lived in dallas for 15 years. I think I have a good grasp on cowboy nation. However, youre entitled to your opinion.

Ok, just didn't sound like it to me. It sounds ridiculous now given recent history but I'm of the generation of Cowboys fans who could care less about anything but the SB. Don't care about playoffs or conference championships just SB. Ask a Bills fan how much they care about 4 back to back conference championships.....it means nothing historically.

not disagreeing. Lifel long boys fan as well. Romo was much better with much less... and i think years after he's left, he's more apperciate now

Maybe, I do know without his QB ability the Red Jesus 8-8 teams would have been 4-12.

 

[HuntDawg]

Oh believe me, the Cowboys know the kick the can down the road restructure move so not really relevant here.

Uh, yeah Brady and Mahomes are kind of in a different stratosphere than Dak....they are generational talents so not really apples to apples besides those organizations were in the case of the Pats and are in the case of the chiefs run at a high level. Not so much in Dallas....I'm getting my money. Now, I could see Dak maybe doing this if he won a SB....maybe but if you aren't generational you got to get paid when you can because you don't know how long you got. Brady and Mahomes did and will play as long as they want.

As for Brees ask Daints fans what the genius Coach Peyton did to their salary cap situation but hey he did win a SB so might have been worth it.

again... you want to get paid record dollars. Thats fine. But its going to come at the expense of players around you. Dak make it clear he wanted the dollars. He got it. He spent years with multiple weapons on offense, at times the best OL in football, one of the best backs in football, he spent a year with one of the games best defense..... you're not going to get all that when you're taking that big of a piece of the pie.

I dont fault anyone for going after what they think they are worth. So props for Dak for getting whatever it is he wanted.... but i'm also not going to sit here and act like it was a smart move for the cowboys.. or a smart move for dak if winning was of higher importance to him.

 

[HRMSU]

again... you want to get paid record dollars. Thats fine. But its going to come at the expense of players around you. Dak make it clear he wanted the dollars. He got it. He spent years with multiple weapons on offense, at times the best OL in football, one of the best backs in football, he spent a year with one of the games best defense..... you're not going to get all that when you're taking that big of a piece of the pie.

I dont fault anyone for going after what they think they are worth. So props for Dak for getting whatever it is he wanted.... but i'm also not going to sit here and act like it was a smart move for the cowboys.. or a smart move for dak if winning was of higher importance to him.

The only alternative to signing Dak was to blow everything up and start from scratch. Jeruh ain't 35. Also, the last QB the Cowboys signed at the top of the draft was a dude name Aikman like over 30 years ago. They sure weren't going to sign a free agent QB as good or better than Dak for less. Dak had them in Check mate.

 

[HuntDawg]

Ok, just didn't sound like it to me. It sounds ridiculous now given recent history but I'm of the generation of Cowboys fans who could care less about anything but the SB. Don't care about playoffs or conference championships just SB. Ask a Bills fan how much they care about 4 back to back conference championships.....it means nothing historically.

Maybe, I do know without his QB ability the Red Jesus 8-8 teams would have been 4-12.

agree on the super bowls... but now I'm at the point where I just want some playoff success.... but again i realize that window is likely over. Had a 5-6 year stretch there where more should have been done... but we laid major playoff eggs, major head scratchers...

with the division getting better with washington.. and philly window just a bit more open than the Dallas window. Its going to be a 2-3 year stretch of re-modeling before we can another window. We've got all our 2025 draft picks and should be getting some comp picks too.

 

[QuadrupleOption]

Love Dak and State but Romo was a better QB. Lifelong Cowboys fan and guess what Romo faced the EXACT same criticism as Dak. He might have been criticized even more at crunch time.

^^^ This. Romo was TRASHED by fans and media his entire tenure. It wasn't until he broke his back and retired that suddenly everyone loved him and wanted him back.

 

[HuntDawg]

The only alternative to signing Dak was to blow everything up and start from scratch. Jeruh ain't 35. Also, the last QB the Cowboys signed at the top of the draft was a dude name Aikman like over 30 years ago. They sure weren't going to sign a free agent QB as good or better than Dak for less. Dak had them in Check mate.

I wouldnt have blown everything up and started over.

I would have basically told dak we had no interest in signing him long term and we would like to negotiate a trade to a team of your choice... and if he didnt agreee to that... then i'd prepare everything to let him walk at the end of the season.... im guessing dak would have worked a deal for someone in the off-season.

As for not signing a QB as good.. i dont buy it. Its about keeping enough pieces around a QB to make them productive. Look at what mayfield did in tampa, or what darnold is doing in minnesota. I would have tried to get someone that maybe has slipped thru the cracks like they did.. high draft picks that didnt work out their 1st go around.. and see if i could catch some magic... and then surround them with talent bought with the 40 or so million saved by not paying a QB record money.

 

[HRMSU]

agree on the super bowls... but now I'm at the point where I just want some playoff success.... but again i realize that window is likely over. Had a 5-6 year stretch there where more should have been done... but we laid major playoff eggs, major head scratchers...

with the division getting better with washington.. and philly window just a bit more open than the Dallas window. Its going to be a 2-3 year stretch of re-modeling before we can another window. We've got all our 2025 draft picks and should be getting some comp picks too.

Don't disagree with any of that but I've lost faith in the organization. Will McClay is very solid but the front office is so dysfunctional! Maybe when Jeruh is gone it will be better but Stephen is even cheaper. Hard to build a SB roster when the guy buying the ingredients has lifetime job security. Just zero accountability at the top and it permeates throughout the organization.

 

[HRMSU]

I wouldnt have blown everything up and started over.

I would have basically told dak we had no interest in signing him long term and we would like to negotiate a trade to a team of your choice... and if he didnt agreee to that... then i'd prepare everything to let him walk at the end of the season.... im guessing dak would have worked a deal for someone in the off-season.

As for not signing a QB as good.. i dont buy it. Its about keeping enough pieces around a QB to make them productive. Look at what mayfield did in tampa, or what darnold is doing in minnesota. I would have tried to get someone that maybe has slipped thru the cracks like they did.. high draft picks that didnt work out their 1st go around.. and see if i could catch some magic... and then surround them with talent bought with the 40 or so million saved by not paying a QB record money.

I'd ride with Dak before Mayfield or Darnold. No way either of those guys or teams smell the SB...maybe a playoff spot but that doesn't move the needle for me.

 

[HuntDawg]

I'd ride with Dak before Mayfield or Darnold. No way either of those guys or teams smell the SB...maybe a playoff spot but that doesn't move the needle for me.

I'd take Darnold or Mayfield-- with enough cap space and money to surround them with talented needed to win. Over paying Dak record money, having less roster talent due to this.. and hoping all of a sudden he's good enough to carry a team.

Baker has shown more ability to lead a team to a superbowl than Dak has.

 

[HRMSU]

I'd take Darnold or Mayfield-- with enough cap space and money to surround them with talented needed to win. Over paying Dak record money, having less roster talent due to this.. and hoping all of a sudden he's good enough to carry a team.

Baker has shown more ability to lead a team to a superbowl than Dak has.

Agree to disagree

 

[Perd Hapley]

again... you want to get paid record dollars. Thats fine. But its going to come at the expense of players around you. Dak make it clear he wanted the dollars. He got it. He spent years with multiple weapons on offense, at times the best OL in football, one of the best backs in football, he spent a year with one of the games best defense..... you're not going to get all that when you're taking that big of a piece of the pie.

I dont fault anyone for going after what they think they are worth. So props for Dak for getting whatever it is he wanted.... but i'm also not going to sit here and act like it was a smart move for the cowboys.. or a smart move for dak if winning was of higher importance to him.

Dak did absolutely nothing different from Hurts, Mahomes, Lawrence, Herbert, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, Derek Carr, Mayfield, Tua, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and probably half a dozen other QB’s over the past 5-10 years. All those guys are making $45-$55 million. There’s a large cross section of QB’s there….most of them aren’t as good as Dak. He took the best deal he could get, when it was offered, given what the market would bear. The only one that did anything different than the others was Mahomes, who still signed a record deal, he just signed a longer term deal which will pay huge dividends for KC, but not for another few years. Yet somehow, most of those QB’s still have competitive rosters around them.

It’s not any player’s job to take a discount. Ever. It’s the GM’s job to figure out who to pay, and how much, and when to let go of a player who no longer has the value that their contract demands. Whether you think Dak is the best QB in the NFL or the worst, it doesn’t really matter. At the end of the day, his value is appraised by those who come before him, his agent, and ultimately by the GM that offers the deal he signs. If Dak is in fact overpaid vs. what he ends up delivering over the contract period, that’s not his problem to worry about. If he doesn’t get a suitable deal for him and decides to go elsewhere, that’s not his issue either. GM holds all the cards. And in this case, the GM is a clownshow who continues to fubar everything he touches, from the offseason / free agency to the draft to the key player contract extensions.

 

[HuntDawg]

Dak did absolutely nothing different from Hurts, Mahomes, Lawrence, Herbert, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, Derek Carr, Mayfield, Tua, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and probably half a dozen other QB’s over the past 5-10 years. All those guys are making $45-$55 million. There’s a large cross section of QB’s there….most of them aren’t as good as Dak. He took the best deal he could get, when it was offered, given what the market would bear. The only one that did anything different than the others was Mahomes, who still signed a record deal, he just signed a longer term deal which will pay huge dividends for KC, but not for another few years. Yet somehow, most of those QB’s still have competitive rosters around them.

It’s not any player’s job to take a discount. Ever. It’s the GM’s job to figure out who to pay, and how much, and when to let go of a player who no longer has the value that their contract demands. Whether you think Dak is the best QB in the NFL or the worst, it doesn’t really matter. At the end of the day, his value is appraised by those who come before him, his agent, and ultimately by the GM that offers the deal he signs. If Dak is in fact overpaid vs. what he ends up delivering over the contract period, that’s not his problem to worry about. If he doesn’t get a suitable deal for him and decides to go elsewhere, that’s not his issue either. GM holds all the cards. And in this case, the GM is a clownshow who continues to fubar everything he touches, from the offseason / free agency to the draft to the key player contract extensions.

The entire first paragraph is just laughably nothing more than sheer opinion of yours... which doesnt amount to much. Yes they make the same amount of money, but how the contrat is structured and when the got it.. very important... and much like the comeback victories you brought up... you leave out a lot of key facts to form that opinion of yours... but more power to you.. have that opinion.

As per the player and not take a discount. Again it goes back to priorities. Lots of players over the years have taken lesser deals to be on a team that is more suitable to them. Whether that be a more suitable location or a more sutiable situation to win.... and obviously there are some that simply want the biggest sum of money they can get as well. Im sure derek herny probably could have gotten a bigger contract in some other place, but he wanted to play in baltimore. He chose winning over money. Happens all the time in the NFL.... a guy named brady did it. As did many of the others.

 

[Perd Hapley]

The entire first paragraph is just laughably nothing more than sheer opinion of yours... which doesnt amount to much. Yes they make the same amount of money, but how the contrat is structured and when the got it.. very important... and much like the comeback victories you brought up... you leave out a lot of key facts to form that opinion of yours... but more power to you.. have that opinion.

As per the player and not take a discount. Again it goes back to priorities. Lots of players over the years have taken lesser deals to be on a team that is more suitable to them. Whether that be a more suitable location or a more sutiable situation to win.... and obviously there are some that simply want the biggest sum of money they can get as well. Im sure derek herny probably could have gotten a bigger contract in some other place, but he wanted to play in baltimore. He chose winning over money. Happens all the time in the NFL.... a guy named brady did it. As did many of the others.

Not sure where you work….but be sure to let your boss know whenever you’re willing to take a 30% pay cut whenever its needed so that your department can hire another person to help your whole group operate more efficiently.

I’m sure he’ll be very grateful to you for making his job that much easier.

 

[HuntDawg]

Not sure where you work….but be sure to let your boss know whenever you’re willing to take a 30% pay cut whenever its needed so that your department can hire another person to help your whole group operate more efficiently.

I’m sure he’ll be very grateful to you for making his job that much easier.

yeah its more like...

I'm just got a crazy raise that pays me 1/3rd of the entires companies budget. Pays me so much i cant even count the zeros.... pays me enough where my kids kids kids.. are going to be just fine.

Now i've had a few guys that had to get fired for me to get that money, and these are guys that helped me get to the top of my position, these guys and you have worked together on many projects over 5-6-7-8 years... and the CEO of the company comes to you and says hey... we can get those guys back if your willing to take a little bit less money....look man you're still be the highest paid person by a long shot and the face of the company.. we just need some of the guys back to help the company so we can all be successful.....

but hey... highest paid QB in the league... get that glory brother

 

[Perd Hapley]

yeah its more like...

I'm just got a crazy raise that pays me 1/3rd of the entires companies budget. Pays me so much i cant even count the zeros.... pays me enough where my kids kids kids.. are going to be just fine.

Now i've had a few guys that had to get fired for me to get that money, and these are guys that helped me get to the top of my position, these guys and you have worked together on many projects over 5-6-7-8 years... and the CEO of the company comes to you and says hey... we can get those guys back if your willing to take a little bit less money....look man you're still be the highest paid person by a long shot and the face of the company.. we just need some of the guys back to help the company so we can all be successful.....

but hey... highest paid QB in the league... get that glory brother

You simply have no leg to stand on. Let me clue you in on something….Dak isn’t writing the checks to himself.

Jerry is the problem. He had a million other options to either pay or not pay Dak, pay or not pay him a certain amount, or pay or not pay him at a certain time. Before his 2nd contract, he also had even more options that involved trading or cutting him. This is the path he and he alone has chosen, while knowing where all the pieces on the chess board are at all times. He’s the only one that has ALL the information there. So in the end, Dak is getting paid what he is getting paid because doing so is what provides Dallas the best chance to win the most football games according to the opinion of the GM. It is not Dak’s job to step in and do the GM’s job for him.

 

[HuntDawg]

You simply have no leg to stand on. Let me clue you in on something….Dak isn’t writing the checks to himself.

Jerry is the problem. He had a million other options to either pay or not pay Dak, pay or not pay him a certain amount, or pay or not pay him at a certain time. Before his 2nd contract, he also had even more options that involved trading or cutting him. This is the path he and he alone has chosen, while knowing where all the pieces on the chess board are at all times. He’s the only one that has ALL the information there. So in the end, Dak is getting paid what he is getting paid because doing so is what provides Dallas the best chance to win the most football games according to the opinion of the GM. It is not Dak’s job to step in and do the GM’s job for him.

TERD TAPLEY everyone

negotiations are a two way street... deal could have gotten done way sooner if many things would or could have happened.... on either side

Yep Jones made this decision, and will likely be an anchor for the franchise for the next 4-5 years... you call jones the problem and the fool and the moron... the difference in Jones and Dak.. is Jones has 3 superbowls and a bust in the hall of fame, and dak has..but anyway......

and the difference in me and you is I think they are both at fault for the situation they are in, you only give one person such blame.... but again everyone is entitled to their opinoon

 

[Perd Hapley]

TERD TAPLEY everyone

negotiations are a two way street... deal could have gotten done way sooner if many things would or could have happened.... on either side

Yep Jones made this decision, and will likely be an anchor for the franchise for the next 4-5 years... you call jones the problem and the fool and the moron... the difference in Jones and Dak.. is Jones has 3 superbowls and a bust in the hall of fame, and dak has..but anyway......

and the difference in me and you is I think they are both at fault for the situation they are in, you only give one person such blame.... but again everyone is entitled to their opinoon

This is comical.

You can’t have it both ways. Jones has 3 super bowls and he’s super smart and has done all these great deals, but he’s also an idiot who overpaid Dak, and because of that he’s stuck with a roster he can’t win with. Which is it?

 

[HuntDawg]

This is comical.

You can’t have it both ways. Jones has 3 super bowls and he’s super smart and has done all these great deals, but he’s also an idiot who overpaid Dak, and because of that he’s stuck with a roster he can’t win with. Which is it?

I never said he was super smart. I said he's done more and had more success in the game than many others. He also deserves a lot of credit for assembling a very talented team, drafting very well, and keeping a windwo openf or them to win for a long time, longer than most organziations have, and hes done that without having elite QB play... which is the single most important piece to having NFL success

I was on record long before any contract was signed that dallas should not extend Dak.. for all the reasons that are being seen now.

He hitched his wagon to dak, he was smart enough to move away from Romo to a young cheap talented QB, but this time he didnt... and its a bad marriage... and one everyone is seeing now. Lots of ways the cookie could have crumbled differently. I give Jones plenty of fault for that... but also Dak for again all the reasons i've already mentioned in the thread... i see it about 40/40 fault falling on each.. with another 20 percent to other things

 

[She Mate Me]

I never said he was super smart. I said he's done more and had more success in the game than many others. He also deserves a lot of credit for assembling a very talented team, drafting very well, and keeping a windwo openf or them to win for a long time, longer than most organziations have, and hes done that without having elite QB play... which is the single most important piece to having NFL success

I was on record long before any contract was signed that dallas should not extend Dak.. for all the reasons that are being seen now.

He hitched his wagon to dak, he was smart enough to move away from Romo to a young cheap talented QB, but this time he didnt... and its a bad marriage... and one everyone is seeing now. Lots of ways the cookie could have crumbled differently. I give Jones plenty of fault for that... but also Dak for again all the reasons i've already mentioned in the thread... i see it about 40/40 fault falling on each.. with another 20 percent to other things

You have now typed (based on a quick look at lines of text) approximately 2,500 words of almost exclusively argumentative content. I'm pretty sure you haven't convinced anyone here of anything and you definitely haven't learned anything new or had your opinion changed. But you will almost certainly get the last 200 words on anybody you engage with because they will finally realize their is no point to the debate.

I honor Perd and his ability to continually push your back in, all the while knowing you will never learn anything from the multitudes of more knowledgeable, more reasonable, more hospitable (not meaning me) people hereabouts.

That said, can you at least explain why you clearly dislike Dak so much? He is after all the best of all MSU Bulldogs when it comes to his preferred sport.

I honestly don't understand the vitriol.

 

[HuntDawg]

You have now typed (based on a quick look at lines of text) approximately 2,500 words of almost exclusively argumentative content. I'm pretty sure you haven't convinced anyone here of anything and you definitely haven't learned anything new or had your opinion changed. But you will almost certainly get the last 200 words on anybody you engage with because they will finally realize their is no point to the debate.

I honor Perd and his ability to continually push your back in, all the while knowing you will never learn anything from the multitudes of more knowledgeable, more reasonable, more hospitable (not meaning me) people hereabouts.

That said, can you at least explain why you clearly dislike Dak so much? He is after all the best of all MSU Bulldogs when it comes to his preferred sport.

I honestly don't understand the vitriol.

Glad I poked the bear.

glad you counted the word count

glad you continue to respond with nothing to add thread but to keep tabs on me… continuing to check on a thread while adding nothing to it.. is very impressive

 

[She Mate Me]

Glad I poked the bear.

glad you counted the word count

glad you continue to respond with nothing to add thread but to keep tabs on me… continuing to check on a thread while adding nothing to it.. is very impressive

You should probably hope whoever you supposedly work for never does a word count. What I did took about a minute and is probably conservative on the amount you've actually typed.

So, how did Dak hurt you???

 

[HuntDawg]

You should probably hope whoever you supposedly work for never does a word count. What I did took about a minute and is probably conservative on the amount you've actually typed.

So, how did Dak hurt you???

People work for me. I don’t work for anyone. If I need a word count done, I’ll ask my secretary tk

and dak has never hurt me in any way. I just don’t let my maroon glasses affect what is real. Life long cowboy fan here and the problem when discussing dak is you have people on this board or other state fans know nothing about the cowboys until dak came around… and they are super quick to defend him and throw anyone and everyone under the bus to make sure he gets no fault… and yourself and a few others have that view and it’s a moronic view to have… and I have no issues calling it out.

as stated many times. Dak doesn’t deserve all the blame but neither does Jerry… and the one constant over their tenure together is each other… they both deserve the blame. The problem is, people on this board can’t accept that.

when real cowboy fans discuss this topic.. like seen on a few posts on this board… you can see a difference in the dialogue than when you speak to someone that sleeps in a dak jersey every night

 

[Perd Hapley]

I never said he was super smart. I said he's done more and had more success in the game than many others. He also deserves a lot of credit for assembling a very talented team, drafting very well, and keeping a windwo openf or them to win for a long time, longer than most organziations have, and hes done that without having elite QB play... which is the single most important piece to having NFL success

I was on record long before any contract was signed that dallas should not extend Dak.. for all the reasons that are being seen now.

He hitched his wagon to dak, he was smart enough to move away from Romo to a young cheap talented QB, but this time he didnt... and its a bad marriage... and one everyone is seeing now. Lots of ways the cookie could have crumbled differently. I give Jones plenty of fault for that... but also Dak for again all the reasons i've already mentioned in the thread... i see it about 40/40 fault falling on each.. with another 20 percent to other things

It’s not the “fault” of the guy who simply signed a deal he was offered. Period. Dak’s responsibility is to himself, and, to a much lesser extent, the NFLPA as far as what he seeks out for his extension. He’s under no obligation whatsoever to take less than his market value because his owner / GM is too incompetent to build a winner otherwise.

The GM is solely responsible for managing all aspects of the roster build. 100%. If one player wants more than they want to pay, they decide whether to accept, reject, or counteroffer on any deal. They have all the knowledge and power to have final say on each individual player. It’s up to them and them alone to assess value, and what trade-offs and risks they want to take with keeping a player or sending them elsewhere. They get the credit / blame for the build, the head coach gets the credit / blame for the execution. The players play. That’s it. They aren’t the gameplanners, play-callers, or the accounting department.

 

[HuntDawg]

It’s not the “fault” of the guy who simply signed a deal he was offered. Period. Dak’s responsibility is to himself, and, to a much lesser extent, the NFLPA as far as what he seeks out for his extension. He’s under no obligation whatsoever to take less than his market value because his owner / GM is too incompetent to build a winner otherwise.

The GM is solely responsible for managing all aspects of the roster build. 100%. If one player wants more than they want to pay, they decide whether to accept, reject, or counteroffer on any deal. They have all the knowledge and power to have final say on each individual player. It’s up to them and them alone to assess value, and what trade-offs and risks they want to take with keeping a player or sending them elsewhere. They get the credit / blame for the build, the head coach gets the credit / blame for the execution. The players play. That’s it. They aren’t the playcallers or the payroll department.

I see… that being said. The quarterback is responsible for his play. Not the line running backs or wide out. Not the defense or the play calls… so we should quit playing poor quarterback play on things like that

when you put enough talent around someone and they don’t perform. You are right it’s the persons fault who put said person in the position, but it’s also the fault of the person in the position for not performing

so yes Jerry should have parted ways with dak in my opinion. The fact that has performed so poorly this season and throughout his playoff career is squarely on dak. Hence the blame of 40/40.

Enjoy sleeping in your dak jersey tonight

 

[Perd Hapley]

I see… that being said. The quarterback is responsible for his play. Not the line running backs or wide out. Not the defense or the play calls… so we should quit playing poor quarterback play on things like that

Nobody said Dak was totally blameless. If he makes a bad read or subpar throw when getting good protection and receivers getting separation, then blame him for that. Certainly has happened here and there, as it does with all QB’s.

when you put enough talent around someone and they don’t perform.

There isn’t “enough talent”. There’s one WR,
and 2 OG’s. Every other player on offense has been abysmal.

On D, they suck across the board outside of Parsons. Worst pair of DT’s in the league and worst run defense.

If you can’t run the ball or stop the run, you don’t have “enough talent” around the QB. Full stop.

You are right it’s the persons fault who put said person in the position, but it’s also the fault of the person in the position for not performing

Except it really doesn’t matter if Dak performs. He’s the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys for the next 3.5 years at minimum, no matter how well or how poorly he plays. And he’s getting paid a lot for it. That is a certainty. So if you think he’s not getting it done and will not get it done, then who gets ALL the blame for him still being the guy until 2028?

so yes Jerry should have parted ways with dak in my opinion. The fact that has performed so poorly this season and throughout his playoff career is squarely on dak. Hence the blame of 40/40.

Squarely on Dak when he has a rookie center and LT protecting him, both performing well below PFF average, has one WR, and the worst running attack in the NFL. Sure.

Enjoy sleeping in your dak jersey tonight

I only wear it in the pool actually.

 

[HuntDawg]

Nobody said Dak was totally blameless. If he makes a bad read or subpar throw when getting good protection and receivers getting separation, then blame him for that. Certainly has happened here and there, as it does with all QB’s.



There isn’t “enough talent”. There’s one WR,
and 2 OG’s. Every other player on offense has been abysmal.

On D, they suck across the board outside of Parsons. Worst pair of DT’s in the league and worst run defense.

If you can’t run the ball or stop the run, you don’t have “enough talent” around the QB. Full stop.


Except it really doesn’t matter if Dak performs. He’s the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys for the next 3.5 years at minimum, no matter how well or how poorly he plays. And he’s getting paid a lot for it. That is a certainty. So if you think he’s not getting it done and will not get it done, then who gets ALL the blame for him still being the guy until 2028?



Squarely on Dak when he has a rookie center and LT protecting him, both performing well below PFF average, has one WR, and the worst running attack in the NFL. Sure.


I only wear it in the pool actually.

There have been loads of talent around him his entire career. He hasn’t done enough with it. This is the first season he’s played without enough

This year I agree there isn’t enough, but he’s still performing at a level that is unacceptable. Some guys don’t need a ton of talent around them to perform, dak clearly does. Hence why the next 2-3 years are going to be rocky I’ve got no arguments about this year. As soon as Dak signed that deal knowing lamb and parsons had to be signed your looking at 2-3 minimum before their window opens back up with a real chance to win…. They are hoarding draft picks and keep cap space open. Actually hope they trade away some guys and get a few more picks. Need to shoot for 2027 to get everything lined back up to win

 

[She Mate Me]

Dak has never hurt me in any way. I just don’t let my maroon glasses affect what is real. Life long cowboy fan here and the problem when discussing dak is you have people on this board or other state fans know nothing about the cowboys until dak came around… and they are super quick to defend him and throw anyone and everyone under the bus to make sure he gets no fault… and yourself and a few others have that view and it’s a moronic view to have… and I have no issues calling it out.

as stated many times. Dak doesn’t deserve all the blame but neither does Jerry… and the one constant over their tenure together is each other… they both deserve the blame. The problem is, people on this board can’t accept that.

when real cowboy fans discuss this topic.. like seen on a few posts on this board… you can see a difference in the dialogue than when you speak to someone that sleeps in a dak jersey every night

You are constantly disingenuous. I and others who occasionally defend Dak against your ridiculous diatribes, often criticize him when he has bad games or the Cowboys in general are sucking, like they have often this year. Please point out anyone here who is as constantly positive about everything Dak as you are constantly negative about everything Dak.

He is clearly an above average NFL QB, but I can't recall you ever having a decent thing to say about him in Dallas. How can you dislike the guy who is clearly the best QB ever at your apparent favorite college, and has been the best QB on the roster at Dallas since his first season as a 4th round pick? I suspect it has little to do with Dak and almost everything to do with your need to be right about every position you take.

 

[HuntDawg]

You are constantly disingenuous. I and others who occasionally defend Dak against your ridiculous diatribes, often criticize him when he has bad games or the Cowboys in general are sucking, like they have often this year. Please point out anyone here who is as constantly positive about everything Dak as you are constantly negative about everything Dak.

He is clearly an above average NFL QB, but I can't recall you ever having a decent thing to say about him in Dallas. How can you dislike the guy who is clearly the best QB ever at your apparent favorite college, and has been the best QB on the roster at Dallas since his first season as a 4th round pick? I suspect it has little to do with Dak and almost everything to do with your need to be right about every position you take.

reading comprehension isn’t your thing. I explained my thoughts about dak. My like, love,hate, dislike, has nothing to do with where he went to college or anything else. I love my kids, but I will quickly point out when they’ve gone wrong.

your assumptions Are awful… Again zero facts involved. Like all your other posts. But again glad you’re keeping tabs on me. Youve added nothing to this thread but a fact about losing teams having more 4th quarter comebacks that was proven wrong…. That you couldn’t defend…..outside of that all youve done is throw your opinion around about my word counts and why i don’t worship dak.

the real question is why do you feel the need to follow me from post to post. If i get under your skin so bad, hit ignore and move on…. you’re the guy that when challenged claimed that he doesn’t have to defend his position… and once told me to be careful because your not a nice guy and I shouldn’t poke the bear or you;ll let me have it….. quiet the threat on a Internet forum

 

[She Mate Me]

reading comprehension isn’t your thing. I explained my thoughts about dak. My like, love,hate, dislike, has nothing to do with where he went to college or anything else. I love my kids, but I will quickly point out when they’ve gone wrong.

your assumptions Are awful… Again zero facts involved. Like all your other posts. But again glad you’re keeping tabs on me. Youve added nothing to this thread but a fact about losing teams having more 4th quarter comebacks that was proven wrong…. That you couldn’t defend…..outside of that all youve done is throw your opinion around about my word counts and why i don’t worship dak.

this from the guy that when challenged claimed that he doesn’t have to defend his position… and once told me to be careful because your not a nice guy and I shouldn’t poke the bear or you;ll let me have it….. quiet the threat on a Internet forum

Do you even realize that you repeat the same insults over and over. They don't stick to me or Perd or anybody else you throw them towards. They just make you look silly and weak.

Time to check out of this time waste.

 

[HuntDawg]

Do you even realize that you repeat the same insults over and over. They don't stick to me or Perd or anybody else you throw them towards. They just make you look silly and weak.

Time to check out of this time waste.

Yet you threatened me with poking the bear…. Glad you’re sticking up for perd. I’m sure he appreciates the big bear protection

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

 

[HuntDawg]

Do you even realize that you repeat the same insults over and over. They don't stick to me or Perd or anybody else you throw them towards. They just make you look silly and weak.

Time to check out of this time waste.

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Glad to have the board moderator step in to add nothing to thread on a message board… something that is here so people can leave messages and discuss things.

Quiet down Poindexter. You're too far out over your skis as usual. If you knew how often I refrain from telling you and showing others what a massive douche you are, you wouldn't poke the bear.



forum tough guy… da bear….

 

[BulldogBlitz]

 

[She Mate Me]

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

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[Perd Hapley]

Yet you threatened me with poking the bear…. Glad you’re sticking up for perd. I’m sure he appreciates the big bear protection

I appreciate all things Big Bear

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Uhhh….he’s got 15 4th quarter comebacks and 23 game-winning drives just in the NFL. Averages 2-3 of each per season. Had one of each just a few weeks ago on the road against the now 5-2 Steelers.

But hey….never let the truth get in the way of a good Stephen A. Smith-driven narrative.

He's had some exciting comebacks in the fourth quarter and 23 game winning drives.

He has won a couple of playoff games. That too is exciting.

But he has not proven he can win games when the stakes are at their highest. It is not all on him, but as the QB of AMERICA'S TEAM he's got to make it happen.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

There is no question the real issues in Big D is Jerruh J and family.

I know there are cap space issues, but that's a result of poor management of the roster overall - not Dak's salary.

It's great Dak got the big contract - he should as the starting QB for Dallas. I hope he wins.

But most of the roster is absolute crap and so is the coaching. So his chances are slim.

 

[Perd Hapley]

He's had some exciting comebacks in the fourth quarter and 23 game winning drives.

He has won a couple of playoff games. That too is exciting.

But he has not proven he can win games when the stakes are at their highest. It is not all on him, but as the QB of AMERICA'S TEAM he's got to make it happen.

AMERICA’S TEAM is a tired narrative. Nobody has cared about that crap in 20 years.

He doesn’t have to “make it happen” any more than the QB of the Jaguars or Chargers or Panthers.