It’s easy to out talent everyone in the SWAC because everyone there is bringing in fourth rate talent. If you even bring in third rate talent, you’ll finish at the top. The SWAC is by far the worst FCS conference, so being the top dog there isn’t really that impressive. Compete in the FCS playoffs and win a playoff game or two, then I’ll be impressed.
Deion Sanders as our next coach
- Thread starter Croomonshrooms
- Start date
And you are making my point for me. You just listed out safe hires. Ray, Moorhead, and Pinson were safe hirable candidates that were praised, yet turned out to be major busts. IF you hire the outlier/risky hire that gives you a talent upgrade liklihood and he's turns out a bust, guess where you end up? The same damn place.
Rick Ray was not a safe hire who was praised. He was a desperation hire because nobody else wanted the job. Nobody knew who the hell he was.
Valid point about the SWAC, however the level of talent he is bringing in at a SWAC school with nothing to offer facility and budget wise is really unbelievable. Makes you wonder what he could do with good facilities and a bigger budget?
Fine. Let's toss him out of the analogies then? Point still remains. Hiring a no-name that is retroactively justified as high-character, knows the game well, or is otherwise respected by talking heads, yet nobody else is trying to hire except MSU, will get you to the same place when they likely bust that the high-risk unorthodox hire gets you when they also likely bust. History at MSU supports a bust ending - so fearing that should be irrelevant in any hire. The biggest difference is that unorthodox hire should bring along with it some sort of atypical upside. In Sanders' case, recruiting ability in a world of have-nots.
Leach is an unorthodox hire on the X and O side and general coaching approach. I applaud that hire. Jury still out on whether or not it proves to be highly successful in our league, or another bust. I'm leaning toward bust unless we start upgrading talent. But at least we are trying something different. If it fails, it fails.
Let’s let Georgia Tech or FSU fail with him first. The current talent gap of JSU vs the SWAC may be bigger than Bama vs the FCS programs they play. Also, how many FCS head coaches have been hired to be Power 5 coaches in this century?
Not sure what the future holds for Coach Prime but I hope the best for him. He's a great mentor/hype/brand man. I think he started his own NIL at FSU before NIL was even an official thing.
The ONLY knock I have on him is being 55 he talks and dresses like he is still 25. No big deal but just at a glance sometimes it seems really strange to me in my humble opinion.
The ONLY knock I have on him is being 55 he talks and dresses like he is still 25. No big deal but just at a glance sometimes it seems really strange to me in my humble opinion.
Whether you want him for coach or not if you haven't watched on the sidelines in a game you ought to watch one of his games. NOT TO SWAY YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER but for the entertainment. He gets EVERYBODY's attention and wants everybody focused. If we hired him I guarantee you it would be damned entertaining .
I think your mind is in the right place with the gambling, but it shouldn't be on recruiting. We aren't an elite football recruiter, so Deion won't really move the needle there. So what if we go from upper 20s to lower 20s? His coaching isn't enough to overcome the gap that remains. And I highly doubt he can move us into the top 15.
We CAN move the needle by getting a great X/O coach with a great system, getting PERFECT at it, and developing players specifically for that. I personally would prefer Gus Malzahn but that's neither here nor there, we have the Air Raid. And the triple option isn't really a viable choice because you won't get any QBs.
Deion is another version of Orgeron/Dabo. I don't see that working at MSU. Just don't. It really only works at known 'recruiter' programs.
Deion will be long gone before we hire another coach. Leach will get next year - minimum.
i donut understand how you can compare RICK RAY and M00REHEAD with PRIME TIME
this would be an experiment worth taking and if you disagree, take your back@$$wards ultra-right-wing-miss'ippi thinking with you
6-6 each season is more your speed. go pull for iowa state or something
this would be an experiment worth taking and if you disagree, take your back@$$wards ultra-right-wing-miss'ippi thinking with you
6-6 each season is more your speed. go pull for iowa state or something
WR0NG. tell that to vanderbilt kids who play under jerry stackhouse. they respect a coach who has played at the NEXT LEVEL
yea, I’m sure old YouTube clips of a guy who retired before they were born will trump 500k in NIL from a blue blood school.
this is just silly
recruting is highly underrated.*** deion cant elevate recruiting*** orgeron is a failure for winning a national championship *** dabo runs a losing program at clumpson***
you are a total idi0t (NO SARCASTERISKS)
Last edited:
Howland doesn’t have anything to do with claiming a guy with three years of coaching experience in the swac would be a great head coach in the sec.
its a waste of time, it isn’t going to happen.
its a waste of time, it isn’t going to happen.
You mean bad hires that set the program back ten years. No those Risks are never worth taking, which is why no P5 AD or professional search firm will entertain these dim witted internet fantasies.
It would take 1 game and 1 quarter before the "retire deion" threads start up.
i donut understand how you can compare RICK RAY and M00REHEAD with PRIME TIME
I agree. Rick Ray and Joe Moorhead were both infinitely more qualified to coach in the SEC than Coach Prime.
Setting us back 10 years still puts you in a stretch of 7-9 win seasons. Same expectations as today. Hell, it took only 1 season to recover from the Croom disaster before starting a streak of decade + bowl appearances that continues to this day. Enduring a ****** coaching tenure is no fun, but let's not act like it ruins programs like ours. 4 win seasons improve to 6/7 win seasons pretty easily.
with this fanbase? the same would happen with anyone
He BOUGHT unbelievable talent. Like everybody else is doing
A lot. It would be a disaster. He wins by vastly outtalenting teams in a horrible conference. He’s not outtalenting anyone in the SEC at Mississippi State. He was out coached badly be Hubert Davis.
Last edited:
Or ever. He barely beat a pretty good Div. II team that only had 36 scholarships compared to his 63.
Is it not possible to elevate recruiting now? We know there is surplus budget. Have all barriers besides pure NIL payoffs been removed ?
MI&&I&&IPPI &TATE MOTTO---->" IF YOU DO WHAT YOU"VE ALWAYS DONE, YOU GET WHAT YOU"VE ALWAYS GOT"
MI&&I&&IPPI &TATE MOTTO---->" IF YOU DO WHAT YOU"VE ALWAYS DONE, YOU GET WHAT YOU"VE ALWAYS GOT"
I could see Kiffin going to Auburn. Don't know if it would be smart for him but could for sure see it happening.
Hell yes they are. They've been attracting top talent for the past 40 years. Did you happen to notice that they won a national title in 1981? They've been packing out that stadium with over 80K since the mid-80s. They also benefit from being centrally located to Charlotte and Atlanta, and being in a state of 5M+. They are routinely in on the top prospects, and always have been since that time.
They aren't a top 5 level blue blood historically like Bama or Ohio State but they are certainly top 10-15. Not to mention now you almost have to consider them a blue blood since their rise in the 2010s. How can you comment on subjects while being this clueless?
Well, people believe Leach is a good coach because he gives stupid interviews and is quirky. Even though he has never really won anything of note.
Went ahead and fixed that for you.
Is Dan Mullen a good coach? Because he's in the same boat.
I’m intrigued. Who all went from FCS HC to Power 5 HC with no other coaching stops in-between?
Latest posts
-
-
-
LoanSource Financial AI Generated Opponent Pic - Georgia- Latest: OopsICroomedmypants
Get unlimited access today.