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LBUfanatic

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Joe warned about lowered expectations, but that was relative to NC's in 1982 and 1986. Even he, from his grave, would not agree with a contract extension to a coach who:

a) doesn't teach nor insist on football fundamentals (e.g. tackling, blocking, place-kicking etc), and
b) is a net negative on the sidelines, complete with his crossed-arms, muttered F-bomb drops at his own team, and repeated poor clock management, and
c) is addicted to "explosive plays" to the point that it actually harms the team's overall performance, and
d) is a horrible judge of capability in his Asst Coaching hires and abilities/potential with many of his shiny-object 4* recruits.

I'll stop now, but if this BOT gives CJF a contract extension beyond his already one-sided, self-enriching version, I'll be done with PSU Football. You all can enjoy nothing other than a series of 7-5 seasons.
Please, can we have that in writing?
 

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Joe warned about lowered expectations, but that was relative to NC's in 1982 and 1986. Even he, from his grave, would not agree with a contract extension to a coach who:

a) doesn't teach nor insist on football fundamentals (e.g. tackling, blocking, place-kicking etc), and
b) is a net negative on the sidelines, complete with his crossed-arms, muttered F-bomb drops at his own team, and repeated poor clock management, and
c) is addicted to "explosive plays" to the point that it actually harms the team's overall performance, and
d) is a horrible judge of capability in his Asst Coaching hires and abilities/potential with many of his shiny-object 4* recruits.

I'll stop now, but if this BOT gives CJF a contract extension beyond his already one-sided, self-enriching version, I'll be done with PSU Football. You all can enjoy nothing other than a series of 7-5 seasons.
Spot on, forgot to mention record against top 10 and/or ranked teams. 2-11 against top 10 or something like that and lost last 9.
 

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Spot on, forgot to mention record against top 10 and/or ranked teams. 2-11 against top 10 or something like that and lost last 9.
Yeah, any coach with a clue has a winning record against Top 10 teams... :unsure:

You don't like him then use something like the running game or clock management...the comments about "record against Top 10 teams" are absurd.
 

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10 year contract eh? Well, he's already had two 6 year contracts since he became PS's coach, but has only been here for 4 years. Now renegotiating for a 3rd contract and we're all supposed to believe 10 years is solid? I wonder who wants it to be 10 years? Penn State? He shows he'll be asking to re-negotiate after 2.
JF? Actually, since it seems he may be settling into retirement, I guess 10 years looks quite comfortable to him.
 

LBUfanatic

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10 year contract eh? Well, he's already had two 6 year contracts since he became PS's coach, but has only been here for 4 years. Now renegotiating for a 3rd contract and we're all supposed to believe 10 years is solid? I wonder who wants it to be 10 years? Penn State? He shows he'll be asking to re-negotiate after 2.
JF? Actually, since it seems he may be settling into retirement, I guess 10 years looks quite comfortable to him.
Ummm, he’s only been here for 4 years? He was hired in 2014.
 
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Finally, we have CJF for his word. I am on board! Anyone else?
Depends, what will he ask for if he underperforms yet again next year? I'm all for modernizing the facilities and putting the chips to the middle of the table, its not my money, but I dont want to hear peep from Franklin once his castles get built. Losing to Minnesota and Maryland and Illinois needs to end. Let's give him all he wants and take away his excuses in the process.
 
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Finally, we have CJF for his word. I am on board! Anyone else?

Support whomever is coach of the team as long as he is here. Not invested in him personally. I would rather see him honor his current contract and 'earn' the top ten salary he makes to be honest. And so far, he hasn't/isn't.
 
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Time of possession (TOP) is overrated. Reference the Meechegan game, PSU dominated TOP but not the scoreboard in the first quarter. Remember the result?

Four red zone possessions, two FGs to show for it.

In the first quarter, the Nittany Lions orchestrated a 13-play, nearly five-minute-long drive down to the Michigan nine-yard line. When faced with a fourth-and-2 situation, Franklin trotted the field goal unit out instead of keeping the offense on.

He didn’t kick the field goal, though.

Jordan Stout received a lateral from holder Rafael Checa, lost 18 yards on the rush and fumbled the football.

Penn State left its long drive with a disaster, a momentum swing and no points to show for its hard work.

I'd make the call again,” Franklin said.


That is ballsy.
 

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I support JF, but you can not play head games with the fans, players, and school every two or three years.
The college game and recruiting along with the portal and NIL have changed the game drastically. I'm surprised at the drop off in Florida football along with the PAC 12. Mediocrity is not tolerated anywhere and the coaching carousel is ridiculous .

Keeping JF is probably the best and most logical move for Penn State. It stabilizes recruiting, and coaching staff continuity. Very few coaches would be a bump up here and the one's we would want are already embedded with a big money school or the NFL. Sign your contract and fix what's broken however you have to.
 

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Joe warned about lowered expectations, but that was relative to NC's in 1982 and 1986. Even he, from his grave, would not agree with a contract extension for a coach who:

a) doesn't teach nor insist on football fundamentals (e.g. tackling, blocking, place-kicking etc), and
b) is a net negative on the sidelines, complete with his crossed-arms, muttered F-bomb drops at his own team, and repeated poor clock management, and
c) is addicted to "explosive plays" to the point that it actually harms the team's overall performance, and
d) is a horrible judge of capability in his Asst Coaching hires and abilities/potential with many of his shiny-object 4* recruits.

I'll stop now, but if this BOT gives CJF a contract extension beyond his already one-sided, self-enriching version, I'll be done with PSU Football. You all can enjoy nothing other than a series of 7-5 seasons.
No, Joe warned about lowering expectations relative to the 2000 season only! He knew that the with the players leaving after 1999 and what he had in the cupboard things would get dicey. Why do you try to perpetuate a lie.
 

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Depends, what will he ask for if he underperforms yet again next year? I'm all for modernizing the facilities and putting the chips to the middle of the table, its not my money, but I dont want to hear peep from Franklin once his castles get built. Losing to Minnesota and Maryland and Illinois needs to end. Let's give him all he wants and take away his excuses in the process.
Unfortunately there are no consequences for him if the team doesn't perform.
 

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Were you a fan 10 years ago? If so, this would really be the program move that would drive you away?
Yes supporting the young men that took the brunt of the scandal was never hard . But throwing away good $$ on a less than average coach who has never seen a camera or microphone he didnt like while expounding on all the things that keep him from being unrivaled and dominating the state is enough to make me reconsider just how much is to much
 
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Four red zone possessions, two FGs to show for it.

In the first quarter, the Nittany Lions orchestrated a 13-play, nearly five-minute-long drive down to the Michigan nine-yard line. When faced with a fourth-and-2 situation, Franklin trotted the field goal unit out instead of keeping the offense on.

He didn’t kick the field goal, though.

Jordan Stout received a lateral from holder Rafael Checa, lost 18 yards on the rush and fumbled the football.

Penn State left its long drive with a disaster, a momentum swing and no points to show for its hard work.

I'd make the call again,” Franklin said.


That is ballsy.
Wow dude you didn't just jump off, you're slahing the tires.
 
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I know I'm an impressionable individual, but even I am amazed that you have apparently seen the light. It's refreshing to learn that others have an appreciation for "performance pay"....accomplishments get rewarded....significant accomplishments get highly rewarded.

Underperformance, especially relative to compensation, means we need to have a "discussion".
Jeebus, it sounds like you took this language from one of the Batman vs the Joker clips.
🙃
 

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Some smoke is there. I'm not a fan of how he handles this flirting crap every year and 10 year contracts almost never work out.....so it's probably true.
How does he flirt with other schools? How are you going to stop the media from saying he’s interested in other jobs? He’s basically said the same thing all the time, yet they continue to report “Oh, no, it’s different this time!” Because there are some fans who are too insecure, you want him to go out of his way to say he’s not interested, which doesn’t stop the media from reporting the opposite.
He’s a successful coach that’s envied by other programs. Enjoy it!
 

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If Penn State gives this mediocre used car salesman a 10-year contract, I will be done with Penn State.
Not a big Franklin fan, but don’t let the door hit your *** on the way out, WVB groupie/stalker.
 

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How does he flirt with other schools? How are you going to stop the media from saying he’s interested in other jobs? He’s basically said the same thing all the time, yet they continue to report “Oh, no, it’s different this time!” Because there are some fans who are too insecure, you want him to go out of his way to say he’s not interested, which doesn’t stop the media from reporting the opposite.
He’s a successful coach that’s envied by other programs. Enjoy it!
The fact that a kid who de-committed about 9 months ago re-committed a few weeks after the rumors started speaks volumes to me.
 

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Joe warned about lowered expectations, but that was relative to NC's in 1982 and 1986. Even he, from his grave, would not agree with a contract extension for a coach who:

a) doesn't teach nor insist on football fundamentals (e.g. tackling, blocking, place-kicking etc), and
b) is a net negative on the sidelines, complete with his crossed-arms, muttered F-bomb drops at his own team, and repeated poor clock management, and
c) is addicted to "explosive plays" to the point that it actually harms the team's overall performance, and
d) is a horrible judge of capability in his Asst Coaching hires and abilities/potential with many of his shiny-object 4* recruits.

I'll stop now, but if this BOT gives CJF a contract extension beyond his already one-sided, self-enriching version, I'll be done with PSU Football. You all can enjoy nothing other than a series of 7-5 seasons.
Bye
 
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My wife takes care of the leaves. :)
I hope you’re man enough to at least purchase her scones as a gesture of your appreciation 🥐

Apparently there aren’t any “scone emojis” so I offered a mere croissant.

That said, scones don’t deserve an emoji….they’re basically unleavened blobs of dough posing as pastries.
 

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Yes supporting the young men that took the brunt of the scandal was never hard . But throwing away good $$ on a less than average coach who has never seen a camera or microphone he didnt like while expounding on all the things that keep him from being unrivaled and dominating the state is enough to make me reconsider just how much is to much
You can’t support the young who play for a coach you don’t like?
 

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Time of possession (TOP) is overrated.
Of the 10 games played, Penn State won TOP in three: Ball State, Indiana, and Maryland. Those were all big wins. In the opening game, Penn State pulled off the road win against Wisconsin but lost TOP big (whopping 26 minute difference). Penn State lost TOP but still won fairly big against Villanova. Penn State got clobbered in TOP against Iowa (almost 12 minute difference) and Illinois (again almost 12 minutes).

The only way playing football with a negative TOP philosophy can possibly work is if you have an offense that scores almost every time they possess the ball and does so very quickly. And you need to have almost a two-deep first-string defense that can withstand playing a lot of minutes week-in week-out for the entire season.

My concern with TOP is more from the standpoint of the defense taking a lot of punishment and getting tired. I was not pleased but OK with the Wisconsin game - it worked, and it was the first game of the season and so while a "baptism by fire" for the defense, they were fresh. Iowa was probably unavoidable because of the SC injury, but given the minutes the defense had already played so far in the season, to me it kinda set up the three-loss string.

You mention Michigan. For the game, Penn State lost TOP by a mere 20 seconds. In fact, if you look at the stats, they're very similar for both teams - but two things jump out at me. Michigan got better yards per play than Penn State. And they got one more first down than Penn State did. "Football is a game of inches" - maybe that one first down made the difference. Were the better yards per play and one more first down due to a tired and beat up Penn State defense that played too many minutes over the season? Haven't we all complained over the Franklin years about late-game collapses by the defense?

I agree that TOP isn't everything - but to me it's a stat you want to win regularly because a) you keep your defense off the field, keeping them fresh and subjecting them to less punishment and b) you keep the ball out of the opponent's hands, so they can't score. Yes, I know defenses can score...but how often does that happen?
 
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How does he flirt with other schools? How are you going to stop the media from saying he’s interested in other jobs? He’s basically said the same thing all the time, yet they continue to report “Oh, no, it’s different this time!” Because there are some fans who are too insecure, you want him to go out of his way to say he’s not interested, which doesn’t stop the media from reporting the opposite.
He’s a successful coach that’s envied by other programs. Enjoy it!
It's really easy to shut down. I say Tomlin and Jimbo do it real easily. If you don't think it's orchestrated, that is on you. I cannot help you there. So when he signs a new contract 2 years after his 6 year one.....maybe it will occur to you that he was wheeling and dealing the whole time.
 
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