Does anyone think that there is any truth......

oldpsubear

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I can support the young men but dont have to watch them being put into unwinnable situations by a coach who could lose pee wee games
 

BornALion

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Yeah, any coach with a clue has a winning record against Top 10 teams... :unsure:

You don't like him then use something like the running game or clock management...the comments about "record against Top 10 teams" are absurd.
100% this... there are 2 coaches in the last 10 years with above a .200 wining % against top 10 teams. And you can guess who they are.
 

NitneLiun

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Not a big Franklin fan, but don’t let the door hit your *** on the way out, WVB groupie/stalker.
Groupie/stalker? I'm just a fan.

Don't you support all PSU athletic programs, or is it just football?
 

marshall23

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The life of a fanboy:
Only a month ago.....Franklin rumored to be headed to USC...."why won't he ever commit?"
Today....."Franklin makes a long term commitment to PSU and convinces the powers to be to invest in the football program..." He couldn't coach pee wee football" LOL LOL LOL
 

JoeBot409

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Yeah, any coach with a clue has a winning record against Top 10 teams... :unsure:

You don't like him then use something like the running game or clock management...the comments about "record against Top 10 teams" are absurd.
Shat is Saban's record against top ten? Ryan Day? Urban Meyer? Sure we can hate him for the line, running game, clock management, lack of recruiting, lack of player development, etc. The list is long... he ain't a good coach. Period.
 

marshall23

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Shat is Saban's record against top ten? Ryan Day? Urban Meyer? Sure we can hate him for the line, running game, clock management, lack of recruiting, lack of player development, etc. The list is long... he ain't a good coach. Period.
Gotta admire him though. Any guy who can get paid more than 6 million per year, for something message board posters are better at, is a genius.
 

marshall23

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Shat is Saban's record against top ten? Ryan Day? Urban Meyer? Sure we can hate him for the line, running game, clock management, lack of recruiting, lack of player development, etc. The list is long... he ain't a good coach. Period.
Did I miss something? PSU had Meyer, Saban and or Day lined up to come here?
 
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tml132

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Spot on, forgot to mention record against top 10 and/or ranked teams. 2-11 against top 10 or something like that and lost last 9.
We all know the stats. I also know that we’re 15 total points from being undefeated this season. So, in my opinion a slightly better offense should start flipping those close losses to wins.

I would be more worried if we were getting blown out in losses, but we’re not. A few more better talented recruits and no serious injuries would also have worked wonders this year.

Definitely bummed out about this season, but the future is looking bright in my opinion.
 
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JoeBot409

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We all know the stats. I also know that we’re 15 total points from being undefeated this season. So, in my opinion a slightly better offense should start flipping those close losses to wins.

I would be more worried if we were getting blown out in losses, but we’re not. A few more better talented recruits and no serious injuries would also have worked wonders this year.

Definitely bummed out about this season, but the future is looking bright in my opinion.
One of those losses was on homecoming to Illinois. 8 years in and I’m tired of hearing “how close“ we are. At this point we are close to being irrelevant.
 

Nohow

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100% this... there are 2 coaches in the last 10 years with above a .200 wining % against top 10 teams. And you can guess who they are.
Logic tells you that an average team will beat the top 10 (average rank of 5 with an average of 1 loss) at most about 10% of the time, a pretty good competitive team will win about 20% of the time, and it takes a very good team to exceed that. But fans don’t run on logic.
 
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canuckhal

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Franklin says he will talk more about it on Tuesday, so expect news before Tuesday.
 

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Logic tells you that an average team will beat the top 10 (average rank of 5 with an average of 1 loss) at most about 10% of the time, a pretty good competitive team will win about 20% of the time, and it takes a very good team to exceed that. But fans don’t run on logic.
That's fair, but it also makes Franklin merely an average coach at 2-13 during his PSU tenure. Both wins are from 5 seasons ago and resulted from a great 2016 team.
 

PSUForever

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I look forward to 6-6, 7-5, and an occasional 8-4 season with a win over tOSU every ten to fifteen years. I hope that CJF gets the ten-year deal and the upgrades, with the result that there is no appreciable improvement in the team's won loss record. I can't take the excitement of even the thought of meaningful PSU games in November. Now back to my old-man, after dinner nap. I'm spent. :)
Do you really think we will beat O$U every 10-15 years? You need to lower your expectations. I think the new contract language will state, "Keep the game against O$U relatively close with one blowout loss allowed every 5 years".
 

PSUForever

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I know I'm an impressionable individual, but even I am amazed that you have apparently seen the light. It's refreshing to learn that others have an appreciation for "performance pay"....accomplishments get rewarded....significant accomplishments get highly rewarded.

Underperformance, especially relative to compensation, means we need to have a "discussion".
Performance based pay is a concept that has not traveled to the PSU outpost.
 
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Goldbanger

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Depends, what will he ask for if he underperforms yet again next year? I'm all for modernizing the facilities and putting the chips to the middle of the table, its not my money, but I dont want to hear peep from Franklin once his castles get built. Losing to Minnesota and Maryland and Illinois needs to end. Let's give him all he wants and take away his excuses in the process.
All you hear out of Cael Sanderson is WINNING. No leveraging, no posturing, no I'm going to blah, blah, blah...just winning.
 
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Corner Room Breakfast

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You need coaching and staff stability, in today's market coaches and staff move all to frequently. Notre Dame was sort of where PSU is when they hired Brian Kelley, they seem stable now. Losing Gattis, Moorhead, and Spencer messed up continuity.

JF is a great recruiter, and is a good representative for PSU. The coaching pool on a national scale is getting diluted more each year, more group of 5 moving up to FBS. The FBS crossover coaches are not wowing anyone in recent years.
 

GrimReaper

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Sandy and barren laugh at performing.


Otherwise, they'd starve.
 

Manofsteel200

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I believe we need a true 5 star QB. If Allar and Pribula both come, we should be set for 4-5 years.
I just hope Cliff isn’t invited back. Time to move on.....
 
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