Does your opinion of Mullen change somewhat?

[msucivilen]

For me, it does somewhat and this recent event raises some questions on his ability to recruit. Mullen was Laptop Thief's coach for 1 1/2 years and yet the kid didn't want him as a coach again. The kid shopped around and around until he found something better. I feel he didn't want play under Mullen unless it was his only option at a BCS/SEC school (Kansas doesn't count). This seems odd to me...very odd.

In the case of Laptop Thief, there were NO HS connections to be made. Mullen lost this straight up...and didn't get the job done selling him self or his program.

This years recruiting class is sub par and croomish. I don't have a good feeling we will land any of the uncommitted prospects left on our plate. This year we haven't attracted any recruits that are highly regarded. To me Eulls is an MSU guy regardless of the coach.

I have serious concerns about his and his staff's ability to recruit. Hopefully, this will be a learning experience for him and he improves. In the end, this knocks Mullen down a few notches in the eyes of the SEC.

 

[msucivilen]

For me, it does somewhat and this recent event raises some questions on his ability to recruit. Mullen was Laptop Thief's coach for 1 1/2 years and yet the kid didn't want him as a coach again. The kid shopped around and around until he found something better. I feel he didn't want play under Mullen unless it was his only option at a BCS/SEC school (Kansas doesn't count). This seems odd to me...very odd.

In the case of Laptop Thief, there were NO HS connections to be made. Mullen lost this straight up...and didn't get the job done selling him self or his program.

This years recruiting class is sub par and croomish. I don't have a good feeling we will land any of the uncommitted prospects left on our plate. This year we haven't attracted any recruits that are highly regarded. To me Eulls is an MSU guy regardless of the coach.

I have serious concerns about his and his staff's ability to recruit. Hopefully, this will be a learning experience for him and he improves. In the end, this knocks Mullen down a few notches in the eyes of the SEC.

 

[msucivilen]

For me, it does somewhat and this recent event raises some questions on his ability to recruit. Mullen was Laptop Thief's coach for 1 1/2 years and yet the kid didn't want him as a coach again. The kid shopped around and around until he found something better. I feel he didn't want play under Mullen unless it was his only option at a BCS/SEC school (Kansas doesn't count). This seems odd to me...very odd.

In the case of Laptop Thief, there were NO HS connections to be made. Mullen lost this straight up...and didn't get the job done selling him self or his program.

This years recruiting class is sub par and croomish. I don't have a good feeling we will land any of the uncommitted prospects left on our plate. This year we haven't attracted any recruits that are highly regarded. To me Eulls is an MSU guy regardless of the coach.

I have serious concerns about his and his staff's ability to recruit. Hopefully, this will be a learning experience for him and he improves. In the end, this knocks Mullen down a few notches in the eyes of the SEC.

 

[snoopdog]

I would judge him on what he does for our football program.

 

[therightway]

It does make you wonder since they already had a relationship. I know that we have joked about the bidding war but the key may have been the distance from home for DADDY.

 

[rhs43]

He probably just thinks he's too good for MSU. We will settle this on the football field.

 

[KennyPowers2]

Have you lost your damn mind? your an idiot if you think us not getting Newton defines the class and our coaches ability to recruit. We don't want or need your kind of negativity around. Newton was one man and may I add not a Superman either. He's not gonna make or break a team or recruiting class. Have some GD faith Nancy.

 

[patdog]

And right now, he's won more games than I thought he would at this time, so my opinion of him has gone up since we hired him. And I thought he was a damn good hire to begin with.

 

[Nad Nellum]

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[MSUCostanza]

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[thatsbaseball]

he came from the premier program in the country as a coordinator to a second tier school in a super conference. He`s learning but he has stumbled numerous times on and off the field. The key to me is I haven`t seen him make the same mistake twice. If he wants to attain long term success at MSU he`s gonna have to learn what it takes to recruit at MSU and it can`t be done in one year but he needs to catch on pretty quick. If he strings many recruiting classes like this one together back to back he`ll be a coordinator again pretty soon with a nice nest egg he accumulated at MSU for himself and his family.</p>

 

[was21]

to recruit nor his staff's ability to recruit, nor his nor his staff's ability to corch.

 

[mstatefan88]

If we go out and sign Robinson, Wells, Parker, Robdonovan Lewis, and King from MS, and get maybe Gates and/or Eatmon, and get Dillon Day, this will be a successful class. Would like to throw Thompson in there, but with the connections he made with Martin and Bennett, if Bennett still actually stays at OM, then he will probably go there. We need lineman badly. We need a shut down corner badly. We have restocked ourselves at LB, and have some defensive lineman that can make an impact. The only position right now we haven't filled is QB. We still suck as a school at recruiting a QB because we've been to 1 bowl game in the last 8 years. Give Mullen time to win, and we will get some QB's looking at us. 2011 seems to be a good class of QB's that have good size and speed, and already have interest in us.

 

[Statefan1001]

I don't this one is on Mullen. It's on MSU and how we are perceived. Until we consistently win for a number of years, we will be regarded as a 2nd tier school to AU, TN, FL, UA, and UGA. Like it or not, we have to redefine ourselves and Mullen has done an incredible job with that in his first year.
Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[Irondawg]

No - I think Mullen did everything he could but this just turned into a circus on him. I think Relf's strong play in the egg bowl, Auburn's future QB getting in trouble (honestly their QB situation was worse than ours), the fact they they have more program recognition and the probably fact that the signing bonus was larger all played a role in his decision to sign with AU.

That other QB from AU never gets in trouble and we never hear a peep out of AU in this recruiting battle and he signs with MSU. Remember he also came close to never even making the trip to visit there so to be swayed into taking the trip and then swayed so heavily once the trip was made tells you a lot. Daddy also didn't make the recruiting trip which was odd.

I really don't think Mullen could have done anything different except maybe try to state that he was going to pull the scholarship and give it to Favre if he didn't sign on the first day JUCO could sign (before the AU visit), but really who on this board would have risked that? Especially if he had indeed given Mullen a handshake agreement like many on here have said occurred.

 

[bulliegolfer]

I don't this one is on Mullen. It's on MSU and how we are perceived. Until we consistently win for a number of years, we will be regarded as a 2nd tier school to AU, TN, FL, UA, and UGA. Like it or not, we have to redefine ourselves and Mullen has done an incredible job with that in his first year.
Rome wasn't built in a day.

We are known as a bottom of the barrel school and it's going to take time to have some success and gradually build our recruiting classes. The concerning thing is if given another opportunity as in the FL job, will he be here long enough to accomplish our goals?

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

I'm convinced that if we DID get Newton, some of you would be upset and worried that Newton would ruin team chemistry.

 

[Coach34]

getting outbid by Auburn is nothing to be ashamed of. The entire state of Alabama is spending alot of money these days, between Saban and his known spending and now suddenly Chizik is a master recruiter.

As another poster brought up- I worry more about what Mullen now thinks of State and hope he doesnt start to question whether he can win here consistently or not. Thats the big question.

 

[mstatefan88]

I don't this one is on Mullen. It's on MSU and how we are perceived. Until we consistently win for a number of years, we will be regarded as a 2nd tier school to AU, TN, FL, UA, and UGA. Like it or not, we have to redefine ourselves and Mullen has done an incredible job with that in his first year.
Rome wasn't built in a day.

We are known as a bottom of the barrel school and it's going to take time to have some success and gradually build our recruiting classes. The concerning thing is if given another opportunity as in the FL job, will he be here long enough to accomplish our goals?

From what I know from the very brief time I've talked to him, he seems like one confident individual. I have full confidence that hw would find a good coach if/when Mullen decides to leave.

 

[fairweatherfan]

Was the entire coaching staff's view on recruiting. I hope they start "taking those extra steps" that the big boys have been doing for years. There is only one way to win the recruiting war, and it is not by being a stand up guy. We need to get some hostesses who can show the boys one hell of a time, throw a little money on 'em when they show up on campus, and have Mullen blow sunshine up their ***. After yesterday, the war chest just got a little heavier. If you don't think Byrne and Co. are figuring out how to compete this day and age, you are wrong.

 

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[Indndawg]

Croom's recruiting=not recruiting a decent QB, barely looking at decent OL/DL's and being downright lazy

 

[Coach34]

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[HD6]

What? Norwood, Darren Williams, and Marvin Byrdsong didn't get anything?

Cheating in college football is the same as wearing a helmet. It's required if you want to play.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Today, we're complaining about losing a Five-Star Quarterback to an SEC power. During the Croom years, we were running smack on Memphis State and Alabama A & M over beating them out for a sleeper.

 

[Stormrider81]

And you are no exception to that. We nearly won 6 games with no QB play to speak on last year. This year our QB play will improve dramatically, and it was going to be so regardless of whether we signed Newton or not. I wanted to sign Newton, but honestly we will improve dramatically.

About recruiting, people forget this. Going to a bowl game makes all the difference in the world. That's why we should be so mad at Templeton, he killed our chance of going to a bowl with his marvelous scheduling this year. Thankfully he is long gone, so hopefully we won't have a killer schedule like this again. If we play one more patsy we are bowling and our recruiting improves dramatically. Even Croom did a good job of recruiting after we went to the Liberty Bowl. The bowl appearance changes everything. If MSU goes bowling this year, and I expect we will, then you will see Mullen's recruiting improve.</p>

 

[lariverdog]

Sure, I'm pissed because he didn't sign with us. I'm also pissed the way this was played out way too long. I'll pass on the Auburn ponied up more $$$.

Here is how I think it went down. DM told cam, I want you here at MSU, you know my system and its a great fit for you.

Cam said something like, " what about Relf and the others?" DM said, well you will get a chance to compete just like everyone else. If you are good enough, you will lead this team but there will be packages to include Relf and Russell. They bring things to the field as well plus I've got to get Russell some game time experience.

Cam said, no way, I want to be the show. Hence, we get the "I don't want to play in a 2 quarterback system". This deal was done weeks ago.

Cam is about Cam. Its over and time to move on.

 

[fairweatherfan]

just join the rest of the SEC and keep up. Its like being the little kid in the neighborhood trying to keep up with all the big kids on your little bike while they have 10 speeds. Get a bigger bike, not one bigger than theirs, but the same size.

 

[drunkernhelldawg]

he did continue his tendency to run a complex play when a simple one would serve. He has the potential to be a great coach for MSU. But it is all potential at this point. Winning 5 games is better than winning 4, but it ain't that big a deal. We did have one of the hardest schedules in the nation last season, but that's not unusual for MSU, and it's going to be pretty damn hard next season too.

I admit I don't follow rosters or recruiting that much, but I know O line is always a need, and it doesn't look like we're getting many of those guys. I do think Relf has the raw talent to be a fine quarterback. Hopefully he can attain the attitude and coaching that it takes to accomplish this dream.

As far as Tyler Russel, I look forward to finding out about him. He's like a crazy aunt in the basement at this point to me.

Losing Newton sucks. Hopefully, it will turn out to be one of those situations in which he doesn't pan out for some reason. It ain't uncommon. Also, we'll hopefully find the strength we need at the qb position through Relf, Russel, and somebody we don't know about yet. That happens too.

Mullen is a phenom, but it kinda seems like he's trying to do more than one human can do. He needs a great right hand man.

btw, happy new year.

 

[ben2atlanta]

This was actually good news for me. This guy is all about Cam and not about team. Relf and Russell are team players and will represent MSU Football well. Cam will need "handlers" to keep him in line and that will fit Auburn well. In the long run MSU will be a better team without this pro-noun type player.

 

[gdogg]

Auburn has shown Mullen the ugly side of SEC recruiting and now he knows what a bunch of dirty bastards he is up against.</p>

 

[patdog]

He did come to us from Florida, after all.</p>

 

[FISHDAWG]

I cant beleive that anyone would question Mullens ability or influence at this point in time ...... all you have to do is look backwards to answer that question ...... I dont mind losing a prima donna when we still have talent to develope .... as far as recruiting have you guys already forgotten last year ?

 

[maroonmania]

because his primary goal is to do whatever is needed to keep everybody in the SEC off probation. The end result has been that all the SEC schools continue getting more and more "ambitious" in their recruiting methods.

 

[jbulldog]

Was the entire coaching staff's view on recruiting. I hope they start "taking those extra steps" that the big boys have been doing for years. There is only one way to win the recruiting war, and it is not by being a stand up guy. We need to get some hostesses who can show the boys one hell of a time, throw a little money on 'em when they show up on campus, and have Mullen blow sunshine up their ***. After yesterday, the war chest just got a little heavier. If you don't think Byrne and Co. are figuring out how to compete this day and age, you are wrong.

It is those very steps that can take a program like ours a 100 miles deeper than the cellar to the point of no return.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

he came from the premier program in the country as a coordinator to a second tier school in a super conference. He`s learning but he has stumbled numerous times on and off the field. The key to me is I haven`t seen him make the same mistake twice. If he wants to attain long term success at MSU he`s gonna have to learn what it takes to recruit at MSU and it can`t be done in one year but he needs to catch on pretty quick. If he strings many recruiting classes like this one together back to back he`ll be a coordinator again pretty soon with a nice nest egg he accumulated at MSU for himself and his family.</p>

Exactly. He has made some mistakes but seems to learn from them pretty quickly. I did not think he would do an extraordinary job this year recruiting for several reasons the largest being a lack of time recruiting as the head guy...it is a different angle than he is used to. I garuntee you that he is working hard on a plan to finish this recruiting year off, but more importantly he is working on a plan for future recruiting after having the results he has had so far. He doesn't take coming in second very well.

 

[Dawgbreeze]

Cam told Mullen he wanted to come to MSU at the Egg Bowl. Daddy told us that he wanted to wait. Then daddy started making demands. Mullen and Les Koenig told them no. Daddy stalled longer, tried to get Oklahoma to make a deal, they declined as well. Then daddy got Auburn involved and the deal was made. Daddy tried to get MSU to counter offer and Mullen told them no way. Mullen basically knew it when he went skiing in Utah 4 days ago. MSU will now offer Favre and hope they get Brunetti and Favre. Favre definitely wants to come to MSU and I wouldn't be surprised to see Brunetti come too. It is not the end of the world and we might be better off with this group. But make no question about it, Newton was bought and any coach involved with it knows daddy was shopping him.

 

[HD6]

We got outbid. Period.

 

[Crimson.sixpack]

hire Sherrill back as the recruiting coordinator. Then see where that takes you. I gotta tell my friends about this board. It's the best entertainment on the 'net.

 

[Dawgbreeze]

Two seperate coaches told me the same thing and they said Mullen was not going to bid. Believe what you want to, but I believe them more than anybody on this board.