Elon's new toy

[PooPopsBaldHead]

Elon is not much more than a shyster these days when it comes to Tesla.

He makes outlandish promises and then puts on a wizard of Oz act.

The robots he showed off are way behind companies like Boston Dynamics. The robot on stage was not autonomous, it had a human operator controlling everything it did.

Optimus Smoke and Mirrors article

The machines were not in fact exhibiting any true artificial intelligence at all.

They were voiced and operated by humans remotely wearing special suits that translated their movements to the droid.

The same could be said with Tesla's robo taxi. People are acting like this is something nobody else is doing... The fact is Tesla is way behind. Their self driving is falling further and further behind because Elon refuses to admit he was wrong for not adopting Lidar. Elon is saying it will be 2-3 more years before they begin to roll out the robo taxi, yet Waymo is already doing it in 4 different cities with close to 1000 autonomous taxis on the road by the end of the year.


Just don't fall for these events. He's a snake oil guy. The cybertruck was introduced in 2019 and was supposed to be ready by 2021 with the base model at $40k. It was three years late and the cheapest model is currently $95,000.

This has nothing to do with politics. I think his leading the Exodus of California tech out of the over regulation of that state has been amazing... I also appreciate his antiwokeness...I just 17ing hate the guy.

He has knocked up 5 different women with like 14 kids. Is not involved in their lives and just sends money. Kids need fathers. He lies like a mofo to investors and he takes credit for other people's ideas as if they were his own. You can buy his BS if you want, but it's always going to fail to deliver.

 

[onewoof]

Elon is not much more than a shyster these days when it comes to Tesla.

Yet he is leading the following companies, unprecedented in any human era. In contrast, what have you done to compare? Sure his personal life is in shambles but man, we are seeing the most successful human in history that make Rockefeller, Carnagie, J.P. Morgan, Jay Gould, Thomas Edison, The Wright Brothers, NASA, Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Cuban, Bill Gates, etc all look completely small minded and limited in their businesses they lead. Most of them could not lead a single company below to success, not 1.

• Tesla
• SpaceX
• Nueralink
• Twitter/X
• The Boring Company
• OpenAI
• xAI
• Zip2
• SolarCity
• Paypay (sold)

 

[LandArchDawg]

There's your future longshoremen.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

In the 70s/80s, we were promised flying cars by the year 2000.

Life still has 38 years to imitate the Jetsons…

 

[PooPopsBaldHead]

In contrast, what have you done to compare?

Their have been Superbowl Commercials about my exploits sir...

 

[GloryDawg]

I so much enjoy watching the weak and lazy attack those getting results. It's pitiful really, and I should not enjoy their grovelling, but I do. It is the epitemy of admiting defeat and being overcome with envy.

They hate him and anything about him because he supports Trump.

 

[Darryl Steight]

Austin TX will. Because I got behind one. Amazing.

Was it a Waymo? I have the app because I've used them in LA and Phoenix. It's just like calling an Uber. Very cool. But I think they still have humans working it. There's a guy sitting in an office somewhere watching each drive in case they need a backup plan on any certain drive.

 

[mstateglfr]

You make valid points.

However, what you've described is the inventive process for new technology. (my opinion)

Invention is most often an iterative process that takes years to reach a particular level/capability.

Also, as new technology is being developed, people often like to talk about it and/or analyze and critque it. Improvements result from these discussions.

We likely won't solve all the issues with this robot today on SixPack, but it's fun to talk about it.

I don't knock Musk or Tesla for struggling to develop a self driving vehicle.
I totally understand it could take years and years and even then never come to fruition.

The reason I brought it up was because his constant promises were directly tied to pumping up stock value and the fact that if a corporate leader gives a time line for a product or service, the expectation is for that to happen or there are consequences(fines, devalued stock, removal of leader from position, etc) depending on the claim and impact.

I was pointing out the trend of constantly promising something is coming soon and applying it to the thread's subject.


I do love that all this started from a typical tbay Twitter post where he cited something that isn't even real.

 

[8dog]

Was it a Waymo? I have the app because I've used them in LA and Phoenix. It's just like calling an Uber. Very cool. But I think they still have humans working it. There's a guy sitting in an office somewhere watching each drive in case they need a backup plan on any certain drive.

yep. fascinating. my uber driver said all other drivers hate them. funny

 

[mstateglfr]

Yet he is leading the following companies, unprecedented in any human era. In contrast, what have you done to compare? Sure his personal life is in shambles but man, we are seeing the most successful human in history that make Rockefeller, Carnagie, J.P. Morgan, Jay Gould, Thomas Edison, The Wright Brothers, NASA, Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Cuban, Bill Gates, etc all look completely small minded and limited in their businesses they lead. Most of them could not lead a single company below to success, not 1.

• Tesla
• SpaceX
• Nueralink
• Twitter/X
• The Boring Company
• OpenAI
• xAI
• Zip2
• SolarCity
• Paypay (sold)

-Didn't Musk get fired/pushed out of PayPal?

- And are we really claiming he is leading Twitter to success?...like really? If so, by what metric?

- Musk left OpenAI like 6 years ago, well before OpenAI became known for anything. He left because he wasn't allowed to lead, yet you are crediting him with leading OpenAI.
Odd.

 

[onewoof]

-Didn't Musk get fired/pushed out of PayPal?

- And are we really claiming he is leading Twitter to success?...like really? If so, by what metric?

- Musk left OpenAI like 6 years ago, well before OpenAI became known for anything. He left because he wasn't allowed to lead, yet you are crediting him with leading OpenAI.
Odd.

Musk got $176M from the acquisition of Paypal to eBay, which allowed him to move on to bigger, better things.

Odd that you view the success of Twitter only as financial. Dig a little deeper neophyte.

Fair enough on OpenAI. He just seems to know what is worthy of attention, and seems to know how to kick out all the wortlhless, talking head MBA's out of an organization. Many companies should do the same.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Based on the stock price and it's surges, a lot of investors really want the technology.

That's my point, though....why?

I'm in favor of pushing the technology to develop autonomous vehicles, just because I'm in favor of pushing technology. I'm sure this could turn into something useful.

But how badly does anyone want to own one, other than tech geeks who like gadgets? I'm one if those tech geeks, but after giving this one some thought I'm not interested.

If an autonomous taxi costs the same as an Uber, I would try it. I don't think I would pay extra just for the experience.

 

[mstateglfr]

Musk got $176M from the acquisition of Paypal to eBay, which allowed him to move on to bigger, better things.

Odd that you view the success of Twitter only as financial. Dig a little deeper neophyte.

Fair enough on OpenAI. He just seems to know what is worthy of attention, and seems to know how to kick out all the wortlhless, talking head MBA's out of an organization. Many companies should do the same.

Ok, I will attempt to make this more basic and obvious.

you claimed Musk 'is leading the following companies, unprecedented in any human era.'
you claimed a bunch of others couldnt lead 1 company, much less all those on your list.



Now in reality, Musk is not leading all those companies. And some are ones he lead years ago, so its not like he is leading all of them right now. PayPal was nearly a quarter century ago.
Further, ones I pointed out arent even examples of him leading well.

- He founded X.com and was quickly replaced as CEO by the board. X.com then merged with PayPal and Musk became CEO. In less than one year, Musk was again removed from being CEO by a board.
THIS DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR NARRATIVE OF MUSK BEING A TITAN AMONG LEADERS.

- He bought Twitter because he impulsively declared he would, then fought to get out of the purchase and lost. In only 2 years, he has devalued the business to the point that it is worth nearly 80% less now(per Fidelity's valuation of its shares). The company no longer releases quarterly financial metrics. The company's main revenue stream, advertising, has shrunk severely. User experience, by multiple standard social media metrics, is worse than it was before he took over.
THIS DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR NARRATIVE OF MUSK BEING A TITAN AMONG LEADERS.

- He invested heavily in OpenAI, left before anything big happened because he wasnt allowed to lead, and OpenAI dominates cultural conversation now.
THIS DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR NARRATIVE OF MUSK BEING A TITAN AMONG LEADERS.




Musk has absolutely helped build/grow companies. Your list though is a joke and shows you dont even understand the argument you are making.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

They hate him and anything about him because he supports Trump.

Exactly. That's why no liberals drive Teslas.**

 

[onewoof]

Ok, I will attempt to make this more basic and obvious.

Step back and think a little as to what defines the metrics of "success" for the Twitter takeover. It was not about financial success, it had to be done. Try to think outside the little box, if you are able to make that mental ascent. If you see Twitter as a failure only because of financial reasons then you need to broaden your mind and know what Twitter was before Musk. So many people want to see Twitter fail financially through boycotts, etc. Wake up lil fella.

Why would Musk be replaced by the board at PayPal? They were adding no value and they voted him out because he was going to 86 all of them. Like he did most of the dead weight at Twitter.

Being a leader of a company is doing what no one else will do. What needs to be done. Even when you are dealing with greedy arsed fat C level folks and upper management.

 

[8dog]

Musk got $176M from the acquisition of Paypal to eBay, which allowed him to move on to bigger, better things.

Odd that you view the success of Twitter only as financial. Dig a little deeper neophyte.

Fair enough on OpenAI. He just seems to know what is worthy of attention, and seems to know how to kick out all the wortlhless, talking head MBA's out of an organization. Many companies should do the same.

I’m gonna guess the shareholders of X view success as strictly financial.

 

[paindonthurt17]

Still waiting for that self driving car he promised in like 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023...well like over a dozen times in the last decade.
I swear he has promised it is 'nearly complete' more times than I have fingers.


Meanwhile, we talk about computer generated/edited clips of what a robot may be able to someday do.

I remember when your kind worshiped Elon.

Guy is successful no matter what you think. And as a side note: He's also not a conservative right wing guy.

 

[onewoof]

I’m gonna guess the shareholders of X view success as strictly financial.

Yes as they should have but look at what X actually is and the impact it has on the US and the world. Twitter was by far the most abused/faked social media momentum/thought platform in the world, a for hire propoganda machine, sickening. If we could honestly see the ways Twitter was used over the last 10 years... Hopefully there will be a documentary on that.

It is delisted and should be private, and has been for almost a year now. It honestly makes me laugh to see people "coaching" on how to make Twitter better like Cuban does. And to see all those splinter minority groups still trying to attack Musk now that they cannot abuse Twitter like they once did. It's comical.

 

[8dog]

Yes as they should have but look at what X actually is and the impact it has on the US and the world. Twitter was by far the most abused/faked social media momentum/thought platform in the world, a for hire propoganda machine, sickening.

It is delisted and should be private, and has been for almost a year now. It honestly makes me laugh to see people "coaching" on how to make Twitter better like Cuban does. And to see all those splinter minority groups still trying to attack Musk now that they cannot abuse Twitter like they once did. It's comical.

I don’t really invest in things for their impact and I doubt X shareholders do either. I invest for return. And I would never own a company whose CEO publicly stated he hopes customers would leave and could F off.

 

[GloryDawg]

Exactly. That's why no liberals drive Teslas.**

They drive Teslas because it is the on EV worth a ****. They do not like him personally.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

They drive Teslas because it is the on EV worth a ****. They do not like him personally.

It's just because of his politics. I love him when he saves an astronaut.

 

[Pars]

White Knighting for a billionaire is very odd.
Hope he sees this onewoof

 

[mstateglfr]

Step back and think a little as to what defines the metrics of "success" for the Twitter takeover. It was not about financial success, it had to be done. Try to think outside the little box, if you are able to make that mental ascent. If you see Twitter as a failure only because of financial reasons then you need to broaden your mind and know what Twitter was before Musk. So many people want to see Twitter fail financially through boycotts, etc. Wake up lil fella.

Why would Musk be replaced by the board at PayPal? They were adding no value and they voted him out because he was going to 86 all of them. Like he did most of the dead weight at Twitter.

Being a leader of a company is doing what no one else will do. What needs to be done. Even when you are dealing with greedy arsed fat C level folks and upper management.

So he is a genius when he makes money and a genius when he loses money.
Who can argue with such a logical assessment?**

You had no idea that Musk was replaced as CEO at both x.com and PayPal until this conversation. It is clear that you didn’t know because of how you included both as examples of success.
So don’t now start trying to use his ouster at PayPal as an example of his genius. That is clown level commentary.
You think the board replaced Musk because Musk was going to 86 the board? It’s the board. Do you know how this stuff works?

 

[mstateglfr]

I remember when your kind worshiped Elon.

Guy is successful no matter what you think. And as a side note: He's also not a conservative right wing guy.

…OK then, good to know that you remember this. What the 17 is your point though? Are you seriously suggesting people can’t change their view on a person over many years?


I agree that Musk is successful. I have never said he is unsuccessful.
A few posts ago, I straight up state that I thinA few posts ago, I straight up state that Musk has absolutely built companies successfully.

 

[paindonthurt17]

…OK then, good to know that you remember this. What the 17 is your point though? Are you seriously suggesting people can’t change their view on a person over many years?

You changed b/c of his current political views. Just be a man and admit it.

The guy is a genius.

 

[mstateglfr]

Yes as they should have but look at what X actually is and the impact it has on the US and the world. Twitter was by far the most abused/faked social media momentum/thought platform in the world, a for hire propoganda machine, sickening. If we could honestly see the ways Twitter was used over the last 10 years... Hopefully there will be a documentary on that.

Ironic that you say this in a thread that was started with a fake video from Twitter.

 

[mstateglfr]

You changed b/c of his current political views. Just be a man and admit it.

The guy is a genius.

I haven't been impressed with/liked Musk for at least 6 years. Before then, I really didn't like or dislike him...I just sorta figured he was a wildly successful quirky genius. I got to know more about him and thru that time, I grew less impressed.

As for others who used to like him and now don't?...yeah maybe it's because of politics. If it is because of politics, OK so what?
Or maybe it's because of the stuff he says and supports. Things that are politics adjacent. If they dislike him because of that...OK then so what?

Like why is it suddenly bad to not like someone for what they say or what they stand for?


I missed your insane reasoning.

 

[onewoof]

Like why is it suddenly bad to not like someone for what they say or what they stand for?


I missed your insane reasoning.

Just acknowledge he is good at what he is good at, which is pushing multiple companies forward to unprecedented achievements with the right people in place and the fat cat deceptive/greedy MBAs terminated. Be indifferent about his personal politics, this isn't a soap opera gossip magazine for the bored housewives. Lots of people are not fans of Apple's politics but throw money away on Apple products like crazy.

The best electric car with the most patents. The best space rockets. Satellite internet for emergencies or folks in the boonies. Neuro implants for helping the deaf hear, the blind see and the lame walk (and more...) Rescuer of the worlds worst propoganda machine in history.

Compare anyone else and yourself and prepare to be grossly unimpressed. I know that may seem like insane reasoning to a less than adequately educated, half insane internet protaganist.

Despite the personal soft warm hugs philosophy someone might have, whoever leads our country needs to be pro-business and pro-economy. The takers have no limits.

 

[paindonthurt17]

I haven't been impressed with/liked Musk for at least 6 years. Before then, I really didn't like or dislike him...I just sorta figured he was a wildly successful quirky genius. I got to know more about him and thru that time, I grew less impressed.

As for others who used to like him and now don't?...yeah maybe it's because of politics. If it is because of politics, OK so what?
Or maybe it's because of the stuff he says and supports. Things that are politics adjacent. If they dislike him because of that...OK then so what?

Like why is it suddenly bad to not like someone for what they say or what they stand for?


I missed your insane reasoning.

The point is that if he simply said one or 2 things different like "i am voting for kamala" that would change many peoples opinions of him. Maybe not yours......massive eyeroll

For instance, Mark Cuban. Clearly has TDS, but that doesn't change the fact he's a great business man. Certainly makes me question some things about him but he's still just as smart now as he was 12 years ago or 8 or 4.

 

[mstateglfr]

The point is that if he simply said one or 2 things different like "i am voting for kamala" that would change many peoples opinions of him. Maybe not yours......massive eyeroll

For instance, Mark Cuban. Clearly has TDS, but that doesn't change the fact he's a great business man. Certainly makes me question some things about him but he's still just as smart now as he was 12 years ago or 8 or 4.

I dont care who Musk votes for, and who he does or doesnt vote for isnt why I like or dislike him.
Again, the dude became lame years ago before covid even. As more was learned about him, he tarnished bigly. Its him as a person that I dont like and it isnt because he now supports Trump.


As I have already said many times now, I totally acknowledge that Musk has built and grown companies. Those companies have been very impactful on society too.

 

[paindonthurt17]

I dont care who Musk votes for, and who he does or doesnt vote for isnt why I like or dislike him.
Again, the dude became lame years ago before covid even. As more was learned about him, he tarnished bigly. Its him as a person that I dont like and it isnt because he now supports Trump.

sure man!

 

[tired]

I would like one to walk my dogs

 

[WilCoDawg]

Odd defense. Like really desperate response.
For this to be a good point, you have to be willing to not criticize others who are part of the group in their industry that is leading innovation.

So Wilco, are you willing to play by that?

You want to call my response “desperate”? I’d expect more from Capt Diatribe but I’ll consider it a W since you typed 4 sentences.
But to your point, I’m not criticizing anyone in the industry. YOU did. All I pointed out is that he is doing better than YOU.
You mad? Did he touch you in your special place? Did he diddle your girlfriend?

 

[WilCoDawg]

You changed b/c of his current political views. Just be a man and admit it.

The guy is a genius.

Blood from a turnip…

 

[mstateglfr]

You want to call my response “desperate”? I’d expect more from Capt Diatribe but I’ll consider it a W since you typed 4 sentences.
But to your point, I’m not criticizing anyone in the industry. YOU did. All I pointed out is that he is doing better than YOU.
You mad? Did he touch you in your special place? Did he diddle your girlfriend?

My comment was thst you have to then apply it to other leaders of industry...in other industries.
So if you then criticize leaders in any industry, your comment can apply to you.

It's a pretty absurd agrument for you to make, and you still don't even see why.

 

[WilCoDawg]

My comment was thst you have to then apply it to other leaders of industry...in other industries.
So if you then criticize leaders in any industry, your comment can apply to you.

It's a pretty absurd agrument for you to make, and you still don't even see why.

I used to think you were just prideful and ideological on your opinions. Now I see that you’re just plain dumb. Your first point doesn’t even apply to me. I haven’t criticized anyone but your dum bass.
It’s amazing that you either don’t see this or won’t see this. But that’s par for the course with you, champ!

 

[tired]

girlfriend?

 

[mstateglfr]

I used to think you were just prideful and ideological on your opinions. Now I see that you’re just plain dumb. Your first point doesn’t even apply to me. I haven’t criticized anyone but your dum bass.
It’s amazing that you either don’t see this or won’t see this. But that’s par for the course with you, champ!

I know you haven't criticized others in this thread.
Good lord.
I am saying that to be consistent, you can't ever criticize anyone who is a leader within their industry, otherwise the response of 'they have done more than you' will apply to you.

 

[WilCoDawg]

I know you haven't criticized others in this thread.
Good lord.
I am saying that to be consistent, you can't ever criticize anyone who is a leader within their industry, otherwise the response of 'they have done more than you' will apply to you.

3 sentences! Another W!
Feel free to bring it up next time I criticize an industry leader, kiddo.