ESPN Bowl Prediction: State to Indy, OM to Liberty

HD6

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1. If that occurs, we should have enough revenue coming in to give Croom a raise, possibly to what you might consider "highly paid", assuming someone doesn't throw 7 million at a coach sometime soon. 5 bowls in a row would warrant big money.

2. Never. You're just pleasantly surprised if it happens.
 

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Where have you ever seen me post that? But in an era of 12-game seasons with 1 I-AA game per year, 6-6 really isn't good enough. Hell, Rocky got fired after back to back 5-6 seasons and he didn't get to play a I-AA team either year. The baseline of success at MSU had traditionally been a bowl game, but in the current era a Papa Johns bowl as the #10 SEC team (assuming we get 2 into the BCS) just isn't good enough. My goal for MSU football is to average 7 regular season wins per season. I don't think that's asking too much. In fact, many would say that goal is too low.
 

8dog

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its establishing consistency if we can get 6 or 7 this year...and that is a big progression.
 

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somehow I'm supposed to believe that if this year plays out like last year, i.e. we beat 3 of our 4 non-conference, beat Vandy, Kentucky, and Ole Miss, but lose to Alabama on the road, this season is a regression. RIIIIIGGGHHHHTTTTT.
 

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....you hope you get to Atlanta once out of every 10 years, but if you don't, and you're winning 6-8 most years, you can't fire the coach.
 

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...what are you saying? He should be on the hot seat for 2009? I assume is something is "not good enough" to you, then you are unwilling to accept those results over a period of time.
In fact, many would say that goal is too low.
I seriously doubt that, unless "many" equals thatsbaseball, Peaches, Sad, and Arrow.

Personally, I think it is crucial that he wins six this year and gets to another bowl. Anything less than that would be bad, considering the prospects for 2009. But if he wins six, I'm sure I'll look back over the season and see some missed opportunities, but overall, I'll be satisfied with where the program appears to be going. Remember, we won 3 games or less for SIX years in a row. Two years of 6 wins or more is definite progress.
 

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that we are arguing whether we will win 6 or more games and not wondering if we are going to win more than 4 games

And if we beat Ole Miss and make a bowl I am happy no matter the bowl
 
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that if we win 6 this year that Croom will be averaging 7 wins a season over the last two, don't you?
My goal for MSU football is to average 7 regular season wins per season. I don't think that's asking too much.
So, in your own words, Croom would be meeting the goal you have for the team, yet a 6-6 regular season isn't good enough for you.
 

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We didn't start getting better 2 years ago until he was cleared to play and took over at LT.
Actually, we didn't start getting better until Michael Henig threw 6 interceptions in one game and it finally dawned on Croom & Co. that he did, indeed, suck cock at playing the quarterback position.
 

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Based simply on the depth chart and the strengths of the team, it seems logical to look at 2009 with glass half empty type expectations, especially if Dixon leaves early which has been discussed.

As for 2008, to me a bowl game is a bowl game, and neither MSU or Ole Miss has reached the level where they should be pissed about going to a bowl, but it is reasonable for some MSU fans to think that this could be a big year based on the schedule. Vandy and UK in the same year is always big, something Ole Miss didnt take advantage of the last few years, and your two rivalry games our on the road (Ole Miss and Bama) and looking over the schedule I don't see but two games that you will be a more than a TD underdog (LSU and UT). The spread should be close for Ga Tech/AU/Bama and I would think most MSU fans would expect/hope for one win out of those three.

To me the wildcard is the loss of Michael Brown, the OL which was a strength for the team last year will have three new starters I believe and Im not sure how dominant they can become, because in some games they were dominant (AU/Bama second half).

If MSU only wins 6 games, I do think based solely on the schedule that would be a disappointment. That would be wins over 3 Non-Conf cupcakes, wins against Vandy/UK and a win over ARK or Ole Miss, with losses against every other team. I think it would be ok to call it a disappointment, of course not enough to fire Croom or anything of the like, but it would be a small step backwards.

I still think 2009 will be a rebuilding year, but one most fans will be able to easily swallow coming off a 7-8 regular win season.
 

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with an Ole Miss fan, just because he is an Ole Miss fan.

Good to see Eggbowl.com back up and running.

Thanks
 

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It shows consistency, which is something I think of lot of you are still not sure about.
I thought we were pretty #$%! consistent at sucking over the prior 6 years. We have learned all too painfully what it means to be consistently horrible. Forgive us if some of our fans aren't quite sure how to handle success in its aftermath.
 

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My goal for MSU football is to average 7 regular season wins per season. I don't think that's asking too much.

7 regular season wins in 2007 and a hypothetical 6 regular season wins in 2008 would average 6.5 regular season wins.</p>
 

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It's only natural considering how everyone else in the football loving world felt the need to tell us how we should feel about our program from the day Cutcliffe was fired until today. It's a discussion. OMlawdog made good points without saying anything unreasonable.
 

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More than 6 teams this year. At the very least I would think 5 favored and a pickem for 3-4 games.

So you are saying if you lose to AU, Ark, at home and at Ga Tech, and at Bama, that you won't be disappointed?

I think Coach's ridiculous statements have muddied the water. He think the schedule is so easy, Croom should be fired for 6 wins, which is crazy, in my opinion a 6 win season next year based on the schedule would have to be considered a disappointment. I think if you look at the schedule their are 5 wins, (3 non-conf, VU, UK) and 5 toss ups (OM/ARK/AU/GT/AL) and two real long shots (UT/LSU). I think winning only one toss up game would be disappointment and a small step back after last year.

I mean if you beat AU on the road the year before, and then have them at home the following year and have the bulk of your team coming back, losing to them at home, would be a step back from the previous season. Am I wrong here?

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but don't tell me how I should feel as a State fan about a certain situation. Because, frankly, I have no reason to believe you want or even know what's best for MSU football. It's like listening to Keith Olbermann give advice to John McCain.
 

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is that we'll win 8, that we will beat Auburn and Georgia Tech plus the other six I listed. But regardless of everything else, no, I will not be upset if we only win those six. We lost enough key players to explain it, and it's not like we'd be losing to Maine and Tulane anymore.
 

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Im not telling you how you should feel or think, not sure where you got that from.

I was commenting about opinions that MSU fans have about the 2008 season, and that the opinion that 6 wins would be a disappointment is a not a Coach34 type of comment, but actually an opinion that may actually based on rational thought.

The funny part of all of this is that here is an Ole Miss fan, commenting that MSU should have a good season and should have a legitimate chance to win 8-9 regular season games and I catch hell. Just too funny.
 

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You? The universe?
The funny part of all of this is that here is an Ole Miss fan, commenting that MSU should have a good season and should have a legitimate chance to win 8-9 regular season games and I catch hell. Just too funny.
The question isn't whether State will win 8-9 games, the question is will 6 win bowl berth be a disappointment for State fans? STATE FANS. Considering recent history, I'd say no, along with the vast majority of State fans. If you want to debate whether State underachieved, that's another thread for this fall, but Ole Miss fans don't get to tell us if we should be disappointed or not.
 
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1. Lowest we could sink to = 3-9 (not impossible, yet not probable)

2. My 1 cent expectation = 5-7 - *4-2 @Home and 1-5@away)

3. *unknown Home game: The pigs are a possible win yet history says "Hell no" but Petrino-gate says "Pigs have all O and no D".
*5-1@home and 1-5@away = 6-6

4. LOFTY DISCLAIMER: I have temporarly exited my instincts/common sense when I think of our piss-poor Woody Offense but here goes:
- If we can grow Titanium-plated Balls and go *6-0 @home - which means Woody would have to borrow the imagination of an Offensive-genius if we expect to beat both Arky and Aubie. And IF we can beat ole miss @oxford a possible 2-4@away = 8-4.

5. I will say going 6-0@home with this offense and winning in oxford in a rivalry game (again with this offense) is damn near impossible too....I hope I am wrong.

6. CONCLUSION: I suspect 5-7 is how we will end up but leaning towards 6-6 is do-able.
 

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I think everyone is forgetting that we recently lost a starting linebacker, an all sec left tackle, and an all sec corner. Outside of QB, I think LT and Corner are possibly the two most important positions on the field. Those are enormous blows.
 

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But I think we're about as likely to win 5 as we are to win 8.</p>
 

HD6

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any number between 3 and 9 wouldn't surprise me. Obviously I'd be disappointed with less than 6, and thrilled with more than 6. But it shouldn't be considered a step back to only win six this year.
 

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It's a legitimate point. Kind of like how as a State fan, I still think it was stupid for them to fire Cutcliffe.
 

HD6

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on both sides of any debate. As if the not caring about winning fans weren't bad enough, you have idiots like Coach wanting to fire the guy if we win six games. We lost our best offensive lineman plus two other starters, best defensive lineman, best defensive back, any tight end with game experience, and a damn good linebacker. But according to some, we have acquired LSU style depth to plug those holes with another 5 star player. I think it's pretty impressive that despite those losses, you have Ole Miss fans on here saying we should be disappointed if we win less than seven.

Idiocy, thy name is Coach34.
 

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Beats Middle Tennsesse State, La Tech, Southeastern La, Vandy, UK, and Arkansas and proceeds to lose the egg bowl, you wouldn't be disappointed in the season? Really?

You wouldn't think the season was at least a small step back? Based on the personnel that MSU has on defense two NFL players in Chaney and Pegues, and an NFL caliber RB and the sheer number of Seniors on the two deep, in my opinion I think MSU would have underachieved, and Im an Ole Miss fan and don't wear MSU glasses. I would think a lot of MSU fans are thinking with the schedule set up the way it is and AU being the toughest home game on the schedule, it is not unreasonable to be thinking 8 to 9 wins, and also not unreasonable to think 6 wins would be a disappointment.

These are all valid points, and I think you know this, but you just feel like arguing because Im an Ole Miss fan.</p>
 

OMlawdog

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firing Cut was idiotic and even more have said hiring O was ludicrous.

Also, this type of OM board vs. MSU board crap is looking very familiar.

Several MSU fans have posted that Bianco underachieved this year in baseball, and whether I agree with them or not, it is up for debate.

I didn't know the "Take it to your board", was actually a good idea around here.

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If we go 6-6 (3-5) and get a bowl berth, I'll be fine. Not overjoyed, but okay with it. Unlike you and Coach and the rest, I don't believe '09 is a rebuilding year.

Oh, and if Dixon has a good enough year to turn pro as a junior, we won't be having this debate about if we're disappointed or not.
 

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DowntownDawg said:
....bowl wins don't count.

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Bowl wins do count, but when you're comparing two teams from different seasons to each other, it's probably best to not use the bowl games as part of the measuring stick.

For example, under Billy Brewer, we went 9-3 in both 1990 and in 1992. However, the 1990 team was 9-2 in the regular season and lost the Gator Bowl. The 1992 team was 8-3 and won the Liberty Bowl. Which team had a better season? They both went 9-3, but the 1990 team obviously had a better season, because they got to go to a better bowl.

If MSU goes 8-4 this fall and loses the Peach Bowl, you'll still have had another 8-5 season, but it would've been a more successful season than this past year's season.
 

HD6

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that we lost the Egg Bowl in that scenario, because you guys should be TERR-I-BLE. I'll tell you how you should feel in exchange for all you've given us today, you should be thrilled if you win 4 games. You are where we were when we hired Croom, and while I think Nutt can turn it around quicker just due to his flexibility and familiarity with the college game, this year will not be pretty for you.

But as to the other, no, not disappointed in a bowl-eligible season.
 

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LaTech
SELa
Middle Tenn
Vandy

Thats 4 games no way in hell we should lose

Kentucky
UPig
GaTech

we have better teams than these three.....that should be 7 wins

@Bama
Auburn at home
@ Mississippi

we have the talent to upset one of these teams

not winning 8 games will be regression with the team we have and the schedule...I'm not saying we should do this every year, but a competent staff should get 8 wins
 

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that's half the point of these boards. If you want to jump on OM every chance you can go back to Gene's. Some of us are able to have rational conversations.
 
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