ESPN Bowl Prediction: State to Indy, OM to Liberty
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"I think Coach's ridiculous statements have muddied the water. He think the schedule is so easy, Croom should be fired for 6 wins, which is crazy, in my opinion"
I want you to find where I said we should fire Crooms if he wins 6 games. I'll even give you a hint- nowhere
I want you to find where I said we should fire Crooms if he wins 6 games. I'll even give you a hint- nowhere
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Then why the hell would you be so satisfied with FEWER wins than last year, especially with an easier schedule? I swear, this place is turning into Bizarro Sixpack Speak or Genespage. Let's not burden any of our players or coaches with any expectations. We're MSU, so mediocrity is about the best we can possibly do. A 5-6 Division I-A record is plenty good enough to keep us fat, happy and bleating! Baaaa!</p>
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Well, for one thing, we don't have any NCAA sanctions. For another, outside of Greg Hardy, our only off field issues are academic and not related to insubordination.
When Jackie left, your problems were deeper than just lack of talent or lack of coaching. Our problems have primarily been lack of depth and lack of coaching. Those things are much easier to fix than the issues Croom inherited.
For another point, no one was picking MSU to do anything remotely close to fielding a bowl team in Croom's first season. I know you technically couldn't go to a bowl, but no one was picking you to have a chance to win 6 games. Quite a few people have picked us to win enough games to go to a crappy bowl.
Edited to add: I'm not saying Ole Miss football is all sunshine and roses or that we're going to compete for the SEC title, but we're not in the same boat that you were when you finally let Jackie go.
I doubt I will be thrilled, but if that is your opinion of how well Ole Miss can do next year so be it, I disagree.
Where in any of my posts have I told MSU fans how to feel? I gave my opinion as to whether or not the way someone felt was reasonable in my opinion. I didn't tell anyone to feel satisfied, pissed, happy, or overjoyed about MSU's season, I gave my opinion as to how I didn't think it was unreasonable for some people to think 6 wins would be a step back from last year.
If I had said, "If MSU wins 6 games next year, MSU fans should feel disappointed and pissed" then that is telling you how to feel.
By saying, "If a MSU fan was disappointed about winning 6 games, I think that would be reasonable because of the way the schedule and the talent on the 08 team" which is what I said, is not telling anyone how to feel.
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Where in any of my posts have I told MSU fans how to feel? I gave my opinion as to whether or not the way someone felt was reasonable in my opinion. I didn't tell anyone to feel satisfied, pissed, happy, or overjoyed about MSU's season, I gave my opinion as to how I didn't think it was unreasonable for some people to think 6 wins would be a step back from last year.
If I had said, "If MSU wins 6 games next year, MSU fans should feel disappointed and pissed" then that is telling you how to feel.
By saying, "If a MSU fan was disappointed about winning 6 games, I think that would be reasonable because of the way the schedule and the talent on the 08 team" which is what I said, is not telling anyone how to feel.
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"Beats Middle Tennsesse State, La Tech, Southeastern La, Vandy, UK, and Arkansas and proceeds to lose the egg bowl, you wouldn't be disappointed in the season? Really?"
He would, but he wont admit it now...6 wins in 08 with what we have on our team is regression, plain and simple...You're dealing with the same people that will excuse Stansbury for not making the NCAA's without Jamont and Rhodes this upcoming season, which is valid- but when we have a team with lots of talent, the bare minimum is expected....rightttttttttttttt
Lets dont have expectations- we are Mississippi State
He would, but he wont admit it now...6 wins in 08 with what we have on our team is regression, plain and simple...You're dealing with the same people that will excuse Stansbury for not making the NCAA's without Jamont and Rhodes this upcoming season, which is valid- but when we have a team with lots of talent, the bare minimum is expected....rightttttttttttttt
Lets dont have expectations- we are Mississippi State
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I think they have some inexperienced players. Too many variables to really get a hold of what Ole Miss will do. One thing's for sure, Houston Nutt has ALWAYS had his guys ready to play ball. He'll get the most out of every player, well, maybe except quarterback. But therein lies the problem, do they have any players? They say they do, but that's definitely a glass half full assumption. And also, do they have any depth? You can't really say either way because they don't have experience, and ones that do, went 3-8 last year.
The motivational thing is something Croom has struggled with, even last year. We don't come out fired up for games we should win. See the Egg Bowl for the first example. I could go deeper.
The motivational thing is something Croom has struggled with, even last year. We don't come out fired up for games we should win. See the Egg Bowl for the first example. I could go deeper.
Im not trying to set up Croom to fail by raising expectations, I don't care if Croom stays at MSU for 5 years or 20. I just look at the schedule and look at the talent and think the schedule sets up nicely for MSU.
Would you feel that way if Brown and Johnson were still on the team? Maybe Im underestimating their impact.
and two studs on the DL alone. A good, if inexperienced, QB should make a big difference as well. We're good in the trenches, which is important. Linebackers will be the biggest weakness. Hopefully good runners will offset a new qb.
I think 6 is certainly doable. I'll be very happy with any bowl, but know enough not to expect one.
I think 6 is certainly doable. I'll be very happy with any bowl, but know enough not to expect one.
I told them it was stupid to fire Cutcliffe. He deserved one more season. I even said the reason he was probably fired was because of how quickly our ship sunk with Sherrill.
Some of those talking about how 6 wins would be a regression are the same people who blast Ole Miss for firing Cutcliffe for winning 6-8 games a year. One of those posters has consistently said that if Croom doesn't win big this year, he never will, and has, in times past, said he doesn't think Croom has a 9-10 win season in him. I find it highly hypocritical for us to blast Ole Miss fans for being highly dissatisfied with Cutcliffe's level of success and then turn right around and start complaining about trips to the Liberty Bowl and such. If I'm not mistaken Ole Miss frequented the Indy Bowl during Cut's tenure. If Croom has a run like Cut did I'll be extremely happy, but I suspect some on this board won't be because he won't have elevated the program to a higher level. What you said in another post is dead on and should be accepted by every State fan: 6-8 wins a year in football should be the standard at MSU. No reason why we can't accomplish that, but we also won't elevate ourselves above this for any consistent period of time. I'll say this, after the 6 year 3 wins per year run we went on, I'm more than satisfied with bowl appearances of any sort.
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and, State had some studs on the DL in 2006, see where that got us. And how do you know if you have any good runners or if Snead is good enough to make a difference? Just sayin'.
Like I said, a ton of variables. And 6 wins is doable, definitely. But so is 4. And so is 8. Nutt took Danny Ford's 4-7 team and went 9-2, so you never know.</p>
Like I said, a ton of variables. And 6 wins is doable, definitely. But so is 4. And so is 8. Nutt took Danny Ford's 4-7 team and went 9-2, so you never know.</p>
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I agree. This season has a lot of question marks for us. However, there are enough areas of potential that I think we'll at least be competitive and have a shot at a crap bowl.
As far as QB play, we couldn't be any worse. Snead can't be much worse than Schaeffer/Spurlock/Flatt/Adams. Our RBs are unproven. However, both of our lines are experienced, and both have talent, which is a change. Our WRs are deep and talented.
For us, the question marks are at LB, DB, RB, and QB. QB, RB, and LB all have at least one string of players with enough potential for us to get by if they all step up and stay relatively healthy. Of course they could all fall well short of that potential, and in that case, we're screwed.
DB is the only spot on our team that I think will definitely be a weak spot without question. All of our other positions I can at least hold out a little bit of hope that we'll at least be serviceable.
Who is the other projected first rounder besides Oher? I am completely drawing a blank on ole miss' team.
not what they should think. Ole Miss fans don't decide what a disappointing season is to State fans.
with no experience in the backfield. You've got recruiting website talent there, but who's seen it in action? Orgeron's recruiting was filled with non-qualifiers and busts, and your depth is for ****. Your linebackers and secondary just aren't very good. Hardy and Jerry are good players, but your d-line last year was thin enough that for the limited time Powe got to practice, he ran with the first team. Now we assume he's there, but he's just like your backfield, nobody has seen anything since high school. What's to like about your team? Two first round picks? Hey, we had that in 1995! And we went 3-8!
Croom should get the credit for putting MSU in the position to have a good season. That is what some people are missing, he deserves a lot of credit for putting MSU in position to have a good season and raising expectations. These are all good things that Croom has done after last season.
Now that there is talent at MSU and the schedule sets up nicely, what is wrong with having expectations? I think it is reasonable for fans to be disappointed if MSU wins 6 games, do I think it is reasonable if people start jumping off the bandwagon, nope.
Should Croom be expected to win 8 games every year from here on out, of course not the SEC schedule is simply too damn hard, this year he gets a break and should take advantage of it.
There may be years where you get FL, GA, LSU, AU and Bama (If Saban turns them around which he should) all in one year and if that happens, 6 to 7 seven wins would be a good year.
Now that there is talent at MSU and the schedule sets up nicely, what is wrong with having expectations? I think it is reasonable for fans to be disappointed if MSU wins 6 games, do I think it is reasonable if people start jumping off the bandwagon, nope.
Should Croom be expected to win 8 games every year from here on out, of course not the SEC schedule is simply too damn hard, this year he gets a break and should take advantage of it.
There may be years where you get FL, GA, LSU, AU and Bama (If Saban turns them around which he should) all in one year and if that happens, 6 to 7 seven wins would be a good year.
I agree Croom bought himself some time by winning last year. That's just the MState way. 1 good year after the 4 terrible ones gets you time at dear ol' MState. But the majority of fans I know think this year is the litmus for his ability. That's what I'm talking about when I say win or go home. This year shows whether or not he can sustain success. If he goes back to < 6 Ws this year, there will be a feeling of inevitability hanging over him through '09 and maybe '10, if GB doesn't pull the plug quickly.
the problem was, as I understand it, that he was basically insubordinate. The AD told him the season was disapointing and that he wanted a plan to improve things. As I understand it, Cutcliffe refused, and told him they were just going to try harder -- no plan. Just try harder.
I think they should have given him one more year, and I think that was their intention. But, when he basically refuses to put a plan together as his boss requested, I think they were left with little choice.
But, I do admit the whole "We are Ole Miss, heirs of a football dynasty, and will pay whatever it takes to claim our inheritance" story sounds much better.
I think they should have given him one more year, and I think that was their intention. But, when he basically refuses to put a plan together as his boss requested, I think they were left with little choice.
But, I do admit the whole "We are Ole Miss, heirs of a football dynasty, and will pay whatever it takes to claim our inheritance" story sounds much better.
Cut damn sure nearly died just before the 2005 season started. That would have left us with John "I'm Ron Jeremy's half brother" Latina at the helm. Who knows what happens then. Me thinks it would not have been pretty. Cut will subsequently do well at Duke cause he has all his "boys back", but it was not necessarily a bad thing to have let him go. **** could you have waited for another Manning?
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