FC: CJF on Auburn's wish list?
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Take as you will - this isn't exactly Sir Yacht quality info - but, Auburn a place you can definitely win a NC.....
With apologies to @marshall23 - BWICAC - do your thing!
I hope he goes. It will be fun watching the same fanboys outcoach PSU's next HC.
Glad PSU's coach is sought after. Perhaps some would prefer Narduzzi, Never even a rumor of anyone else courting him.
Take as you will - this isn't exactly Sir Yacht quality info - but, Auburn a place you can definitely win a NC.....
With apologies to @marshall23 - BWICAC - do your thing!
Here we go again. More BS from the clowns.
All of Franklin's predecessors and Vanderbilt sucked as HCs. Best of the lot: Gerry Dinardo, with Steve Sloan as runner-up.
Rebuild? Overall record at Baylor was 18-20. Hardly a rebuild.
Anyone who wants Franklin gone at this point, is an idiot. Indisputable fact.
Outside of folks here, I don’t know one alum personally who likes him as coach. When I meet Penn Staters, they almost always mention that they don’t think he’s a good coach. This started about three to four years ago (when I would defend Franklin).
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I’d guess 1 year, 2 years max. Then they start rumors he’s cheating on his wife and sleeping with coworkers to get him fired and make way for the next guy.
This is what Penn State needs.Rhule is a roll up the sleeves guy, blue collar and can grind. Carolina was a terrible fit...
Auburn is a red-headed step child to Bama...they need a Rhule type of guy to Rebuild. Franklin and Dabo, you think they are roll up sleeve grinders?
They are community organizers lol
2013 Temple 2–10
2014 Temple 6–6
2015 Temple 10–4 Conference 7–1 1st (East) L Boca Raton
2016 Temple 10–3 Conference 7–1 1st (East) Military
2017 Baylor 1–11
2018 Baylor 7–6 Conference 4-5 W Texas
2019 Baylor 11–3 Conference 8–1 2nd L Sugar
This is what Auburn Needs....
Our recruiting would suffer greatly…hard enough to get recruits now…would be even harder with Rhule.
Outside of folks here, I don’t know one alum personally who likes him as coach. When I meet Penn Staters, they almost always mention that they don’t think he’s a good coach. This started about three to four years ago (when I would defend Franklin).
Because most PSU fans are delusional and still think it’s 1985 playing an independent schedule with 120 scholarship players. News flash for PSU fans, our last national championship was 36 years ago. The CFP has changed the college football world and going to a good bowl game with a 10-2 record is no longer viewed as being successful. That is the new reality.
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I think they see blown leads against MSU and OSU and bad losses to inferior teams and bowl opponents as proof. But, is what it is.
Penn State's schedules in the 1980s were far more rigorous than what they have faced in recent years. Not even close.
38 Top 20 opponents (they only "ranked" 20 teams back then, as you'll remember) over that 10 year stretch in the 1980s.
Over the last 9 years, 29 Top 20 opponents - and that is with an extra game in the schedule.
So, essentially, one more quality team each year, and two fewer cupcakes each year, in the 1980s vs the last 9 years.
38 Top 20 opponents (they only "ranked" 20 teams back then, as you'll remember) over that 10 year stretch in the 1980s.
Over the last 9 years, 29 Top 20 opponents - and that is with an extra game in the schedule.
So, essentially, one more quality team each year, and two fewer cupcakes each year, in the 1980s vs the last 9 years.
Post Season Top-20 Ranked Opponents:
1980's - 41 (net of 3 more than "when we played them", though there were several both dropping out, or rising up)
Last 9 Years - 29 (same total net number, though some teams dropped out - like Wisconsin 2021, and some teams climbed in - like Indiana 2020, Top 20)
I will say this. I have found playing the Big10 to be more difficult than playing the independent schedule. Maybe the familiarity? I don’t know, but it has been more difficult than I anticipated.
How do those numbers look in the 90s under Joe and the 2000s before Joe was fired?
The 85 scholarship limit has resulted in a bit more parity. That didn't take effect until 1993.
Some of the players that the PSUs UMs and OSUs used to have are now playing for the Iowas MSUs and Wiskys of the world.
The blue bloods still get the best of the best, but only being able to take 85 means other teams are a little closer talent wise than in the 80s.
I believe thar if we had played in the Big Ten in the 80s our record would have been even better
Outside looking in reading both PSUFTG and your comments respectively, I think the College Football landscape has changed drastically from the time we played the Independent schedule and the Big10 now.
IMHO-Big10 is the 2nd best conference YoY to the SEC. Since Franklin has been here OSU has been incredibly dominant in terms of Win%--more than any other team not named Bama. Michigan is strong of late and we have a handful of pesky challengers each year e.g. MSU, Wisconsin, Iowa etc.
I think the Independent schedule when we played it was very challenging maybe even more so because the talent was spread, out not like now with this generation of frontrunner and bandwagon children. Yes there were probably more cupcakes in that schedule but we played 2-3 top 20 teams each year and teams brought their A Game back then to beat Joe.
Over all its more difficult now in the conference mainly because football culture and society has changed...
I appreciate your momentary embrace of honesty. If all the other folks stuck living in long bygone eras would realize the same, we could move on and act like reasonable people.
This is a critical point that I think a lot of people miss when comparing eras. With where OSU is, and with PSU being in their division, we essentially have one game every single year where we are decisive underdog and are expected to lose (on paper). Having that on the schedule every single year is a burden. Back in the 80s and 90s there weren't any teams as consistently dominant as Bama and OSU have been recently. That changes the whole landscape of the discussion. Teams that don't have to face the few dynasty programs every season have an inherit advantage over everyone that is part of the Big 10 East or SEC West.
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It's not as if Baylor was nothing before he got there. From 2011-2016 they went ... 10-3, 8-5, 11-2, 11-2, 10-3, 7-6. Even Temple was 9-4, 8-4, 9-4, 4-7 before he got there. In both cases, Rhule took a squad with recent success, bottomed them out and then rebounded the squad.Rhule is a roll up the sleeves guy, blue collar and can grind. Carolina was a terrible fit...
Auburn is a red-headed step child to Bama...they need a Rhule type of guy to Rebuild. Franklin and Dabo, you think they are roll up sleeve grinders?
They are community organizers lol
2013 Temple 2–10
2014 Temple 6–6
2015 Temple 10–4 Conference 7–1 1st (East) L Boca Raton
2016 Temple 10–3 Conference 7–1 1st (East) Military
2017 Baylor 1–11
2018 Baylor 7–6 Conference 4-5 W Texas
2019 Baylor 11–3 Conference 8–1 2nd L Sugar
This is what Auburn Needs....
Franklin, meanwhile, took a Vandy squad with back to back 2-10 seasons before he got there, and oversaw 3 consecutive bowl seasons, when the program had 1 bowl appearance since 1983. Then he brought PSU back to national relevance after O'Brien did a great job of stabilizing a potential sinking ship.
In the 1980s:
The Top 10 Teams of the decade won 73% or more of their games (2 teams won 80% or more)
In the 1990s:
The Top 10 Teams won 75% or more of their games (5 teams won 80% or more)
In the 2000s:
The Top 10 Teams won 73% or more of their games (4 teams won 80% or more)
In the 2010s:
The Top 10 Teams won 73% or more of their games (5 teams won 80% or more)
It would be abundantly difficult to argue that "talent" has been any more, or any less, dispersed from any one decade to the other - or that the dominant teams of any of those eras were any more or less dominant than those of any other era.
The Big Dogs may change, but the margin between Big and Little Dog remains the same.
Win percentage computation form (stassen.com)
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