FC: Conversation about James Franklin.

Midnighter

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Upon the fields of friendly strife
are sown the seeds
that on other fields
on other days, shall bare the
fruits of victory- MacArthur.

Yeah, what the hell did Mac know? Nothing compared the the BWICAC.

Never meet your heroes. They’ll only disappoint. Hope you’re well buddy!

 

marshall23

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It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better.

The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

I have to disagree. Our wrestling coach had this poster hanging in our wrestling room in the mid 60s. It was meant to be an encouragement to continue striving through failure until success is achieved or if not then knowing we had given our all in the struggle and not to be counted among those who never tried and are critical of those who do try. The author, I believe it was Teddy Roosevelt, mentions the arena which could be the wrestling mat, a football field or as you suggest, war. Though that last one, war, seems pretty far-fetched for the point the author was making.
Another interpretation is that not everyone will reach their ultimate goals.......but there are rewards for those who dedicate themselves to the task and actually engage in the journey.
Half of all college football team lose their games each week. The players and coaches on both the victorious and defeated sides have put forth incredible effort to test their mettle publicly. While others sit in the confines of their family rooms and critique their effort. LOL
It's easy to tell the individuals that have not engaged in the "arena" because they would never post some things that I see here.
 
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Never meet your heroes. They’ll only disappoint. Hope you’re well buddy!

Thanks for the well wishes! I'm having a wonderful time. As I have since 1966, I'll watch as many PSU football games as I possibly can. As a PSU fan, I'll always pull for the players and the coaches. During the game, I'll live and die with every snap. I'll be disappointed with errant passes, drops, missed tackles and blocks. I'll second guess play calls, stunts and blitzes that don't work. When the game is over should PSU win, It will make my week a bit brighter. Should they lose, I'll put the game away and look for the next opportunity to enjoy a game. Oh, and after a few days, I'll come to this board and enjoy the expert analysis of the real PSU Fans.
 
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Bvillebaron

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My math is as follows:
  • Donovan was fired.
  • Moorhead left for the MSU job. Regrettable loss.
  • Rahne was encouraged to leave after he ran the Moorhead offense for 2 years with middling results.
  • Ciarrocca was fired.
  • Yurcich was fired.
Rahne left for a head coaching gig
 

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It's not nice to confuse the BWICAC lynch mob with the facts. Besides, they are busy praying for a Rutgers victory. Oh, pain, hurt, agony!

Nah, we’ll root for the win because everyone knows he’ll wreck Rutgers. Nobody dominates the nobodies like Little Game James!
 

Bvillebaron

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WE DESERVE BETTER. I did not write me or I or you. WE. Who are WE? WE are the people who pay for and support the program with our hard earned dollars.

I don't give a damn how hard it is to compete. Bottom Feeder is paid for results, not effort. The players are paid, they are no longer amateurs. Tens of millions of fan dollars paid in tickets, merch, and donations fund this enterprise. It is expected hundreds of millions will be borrowed and spent to pay for lavish facilities Bottom Feeder demands.

So my agenda? I want to get the best results for the huge amount of support already given, and for what we are expected to support in debt and interest payments as a University. Again, the best. In the real world that is what is expected from people. You do not get attaboys for effort.

If you and a minority do not like that it is too bad for you.

Good grief. These fan boys have to have things explained to them time, and time again.
Actually it’s you and the other whiners who are most likely in the minority. Penn State fan for over 60 years and I sure as hell ain’t happy losing to OSU and Michigan either. On the other hand, OSU has lost 2 Big Ten games to OSU both to Michigan so no one else is besting OSU either. Michigan was 49-22 before it began off site stealing in 2021 and 38-3 since. I think PSU should have beaten more Top 10 opponents under Franklin than his 3-17 record. However, Penn State was the favorite in exactly 1 of those games. I have repeatedly asked the experts on here who Penn State should hire who would definitely be an upgrade and guarantee wins over OSU and Michigan and get the same old recommendations who aren’t setting the world on fire in their present jobs. Last I checked Kirby Smart ain’t leaving Georgia and Nick Saban ain’t leaving Alabama any time soon.
 

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I actually feel sorry for you.

That’s odd, you know nothing of me. Oh that’s right, you’ve created an image in your mind of what everyone who doesn’t like Franklin is. I’d feel sorry for that caricature too.
 
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marshall23

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That’s odd, you know nothing of me. Oh that’s right, you’ve created an image in your mind of what everyone who doesn’t like Franklin is. I’d feel sorry for that caricature too.
When have you met James? Was he disrespectful to you or your family? Is that why you don’t like him?
 

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The same folks that diminish James Franklin now attack the legacy of Douglas MacArthur? Who is next? George Washington. LOL Anyone else see a trend here?
Do you wake up miserable? Such a negative post at 8:51 am.....tsk tsk.
 

marshall23

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Do you wake up miserable? Such a negative post at 8:51 am.....tsk tsk.
On the contrary, I'm one of the only posters here not bitching about Coach Franklin and the "gloom and doom" of PSU Football. In fact, I was wondering where the thread was commending rhe staff for having Beau so well prepared to step in after Allar's injury. After moaning about Iowa for 3 years, LOL. Nope, I will be concerned facing MSU without Allar, but I'll never reject 10-2. It's a record 90% of college teams would die for. FYI Franklin's winning % @ PSU .697 -PSU all time .689. Wow, including the sanction years.
8 more years!
 

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On the contrary, I'm one of the only posters here not bitching about Coach Franklin and the "gloom and doom" of PSU Football. In fact, I was wondering where the thread was commending rhe staff for having Beau so well prepared to step in after Allar's injury. After moaning about Iowa for 3 years, LOL. Nope, I will be concerned facing MSU without Allar, but I'll never reject 10-2. It's a record 90% of college teams would die for. FYI Franklin's winning % @ PSU .697 -PSU all time .689. Wow, including the sanction years.
8 more years!
A 10-2 record is admirable for sure. And no doubt, many Purdue, Illinois, Maryland and Nortwestern fans are envious. But none of those schools and many more has the successful legacy that Penn State has. For years, PSU was vying for national championships, winning two in the same decade. We were always a part of the NC conversation. This is the place where many of our fans are coming from. The bar was set higher at Penn State years ago and typically that bar is never lowered, but used to measure current performances.
 

BobPSU92

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Is the thread title supposed to be “Conversation about James Franklin” or “Consternation about James Franklin”. Here, there is really no difference, but to visitors, there could be.
 

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Either way, it’s a bit drastic and overly dramatic to say about what is essentially a kid’s game, and moreover, apply it to a coach of said game. Thanks for the post though.
I wouldn’t call big time college football a “kid’s game.” THAT is “a bit drastic and overly dramatic.” Considering the demands on their time, the physical punishment they endure and the mental toughness their endeavors require, (although I am sure you didn’t mean it that way) it is disrespectful to the players to call it a “kid’s game.” They go through more at a young age than many of us who go through our lives sitting behind desks likely ever will.
 

Midnighter

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I wouldn’t call big time college football a “kid’s game.” THAT is “a bit drastic and overly dramatic.” Considering the demands on their time, the physical punishment they endure and the mental toughness their endeavors require, (although I am sure you didn’t mean it that way) it is disrespectful to the players to call it a “kid’s game.” They go through more at a young age than many of us who go through our lives sitting behind desks likely ever will.

Be that as it may, it is an unnecessary exercise for the entertainment of others. I don’t disagree the demands on time and the physical abuse they endure is tremendous, but it wouldn’t exist as it does today without support and interest from fans. Acting as if it’s some transcendent gladiatorial battle with life and death on the line is humorous. It’s a message board - lighten up.
 
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It's not nice to confuse the BWICAC lynch mob with the facts. Besides, they are busy praying for a Rutgers victory. Oh, pain, hurt, agony!
My goodness your perspective is jaded by the need to protect all things coaching.

If people hoped for PSU losses, they wouldn't be b!tching about boneheaded calls that contribute to losses. Perhaps the people who offer criticism of Franklin do so in the hope of MORE wins, not less.

To some, even an occasional win against the Big2 would be light at the end of the tunnel. But Franklin gets the yips against the Big2, while (mostly) winning the games when he's got better talent. It'd sure be nice to steal a game where we have less talent.

I'll save you having to type a reply...

8 more years!
 

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The same folks that diminish James Franklin now attack the legacy of Douglas MacArthur? Who is next? George Washington. LOL Anyone else see a trend here?
To paraphrase “Loophole” Lloyd Bentsen, Franklin is no Douglas MacArthur!
 

marshall23

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A 10-2 record is admirable for sure. And no doubt, many Purdue, Illinois, Maryland and Nortwestern fans are envious. But none of those schools and many more has the successful legacy that Penn State has. For years, PSU was vying for national championships, winning two in the same decade. We were always a part of the NC conversation. This is the place where many of our fans are coming from. The bar was set higher at Penn State years ago and typically that bar is never lowered, but used to measure current performances.
I totally understand. Went to my first PSU game in 1966. But its been 35-40 years. It is more than unfair to make this a James Franklin issue,
 
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