FC: Deion Sanders Understands This Era of College Football Better Than Most by Jay Paterno

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True, but he also donated half his salary at Jackson State and is saying the right things about going to class. Some people see Deion today as the Deion of 30 years ago and while some of it still there....some of it has also matured.
Here is my issue with the Jackson thing. He went on 60 Minutes talking about how much he was doing for HBCUs and how much he was helping the City during their water issue. It sounded great and I was totally turned around by Deion. Then a few months later, he gets an offer from Colorado and it's adios HBCUs and Jackson. Now, I'm back to square 1 with Deion.
 

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Here is my issue with the Jackson thing. He went on 60 Minutes talking about how much he was doing for HBCUs and how much he was helping the City during their water issue. It sounded great and I was totally turned around by Deion. Then a few months later, he gets an offer from Colorado and it's adios HBCUs and Jackson. Now, I'm back to square 1 with Deion.
Fair take. They all give excuses though. All of them.
 
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He'll move on when the media eventually moves on (and they will). He is a creation of the media and will quickly be tossed aside by the media when the next carnival barker comes to town.
Maybe, but you really have no idea what the future holds. Blaming the media is a popular out though.
 
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Truth. But, the fact is Deion is all about Deion, and in this case his sons. I think it has very litlle to do with money for him. It's the spotlight. Hell, I was a fan of his when he played for the Braves 30 years ago. He's still the same guy. He's going to jump at the first chance he gets to go to a big market, and he'll take his players with him.
Might be true, but well worth the gamble for CU, put them back on the national map and the new Admin is committed to staying there, very damn refreshing.
 

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Well said. He supposedly doesn't drink and is well liked by his staff and players. We had to dismiss (I was an assistant) Larry Fitzgerald in high school because of his immaturity. Now he returns to Minneapolis every summer, runs a football camp, and stresses education. People change.
You are correct. The difference is Larry Fitzgerald doesn’t have his son following him around recording his every move to get attention for himself. Larry matured and became humble. Deion hasn’t figured that out yet.
 

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You are correct. The difference is Larry Fitzgerald doesn’t have his son following him around recording his every move to get attention for himself. Larry matured and became humble. Deion hasn’t figured that out yet.

Humility is a largely overrated concept.
 

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@LaJollaCreek to Deion:

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Nah, I just don't jump on the hate train because of what someone was like 30 years ago but the haters can hate. So far about the only "legit" gripe I can see is the media is giving him too much coverage which is exactly what he wants as it is working with eyes on the set and the buzz around CU. That is kind of the beauty/stupidity of the haters....he gets too much coverage so we keep talking about that and him.....pure genius logic right there.

Apparently there is a different set of rules for him if he takes a better job like our own HC did (pssst he lied to Vandy players too) or any other HC pretty much ever. When they do it...it's just coaching....Deion on the other hand just isn't loyal for taking 5.5 million instead of 300k. I know it sucks when we all don't hate in unison, but others can carry on with it.

Player Dont Be Hatin GIF by Jamie Kennedy
 
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Only if you’re really good at what you do. People in general have a bad conception of how talented they actually are, in comparison to others. Humility can help you get better.

I just don't put much value in humility. I've found in my life that the vast majority of "humble" people are absolute fakes. I can count on one hand the genuinely humble people I've encountered.

I'd much rather deal with confident people who don't try to fake humility.

But that's me and I doubt we're going to see eye to eye on this, so let's just agree to disagree.
 
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Nah, I just don't jump on the hate train because of what someone was like 30 years ago but the haters can hate. So far about the only "legit" gripe I can see is the media is giving him too much coverage which is exactly what he wants as it is working with eyes on the set and the buzz around CU. That is kind of the beauty/stupidity of the haters....he gets too much coverage so we keep talking about that and him.....pure genius logic right there.

Apparently there is a different set of rules for him if he takes a better job like our own HC did (pssst he lied to Vandy players too) or any other HC pretty much ever. When they do it...it's just coaching....Deion on the other hand just isn't loyal for taking 5.5 million instead of 300k. I know it sucks when we all don't hate in unison, but others can carry on with it.

Player Dont Be Hatin GIF by Jamie Kennedy

Why do you presume that those who don’t share your boy crush with Deion, hate him. Some simply find him boorish and his projection of victimhood a false facade.
 

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Why do you presume that those who don’t share your boy crush with Deion, hate him. Some simply find him boorish and his projection of victimhood a false facade.
Yeah....you bring up stuff from 30 years ago but you're not hating. I won't even touch the other stupidity you wrote as I'm not promoting him or his team, just laughing at those so up in arms over him or is it just the "coverage" that some hid behind. LOL...you get him and that media now.
 
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Only if you’re really good at what you do. People in general have a bad conception of how talented they actually are, in comparison to others. Humility can help you get better.
"People in general have a bad conception of how talented they actually are, in comparison to others. Humility can help you get better."

So true. It grounds a person and encourages self-awareness. Self-awareness is good for the individual and all the others with whom the person has contact.
 
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I just don't put much value in humility. I've found in my life that the vast majority of "humble" people are absolute fakes. I can count on one hand the genuinely humble people I've encountered.

I'd much rather deal with confident people who don't try to fake humility.

But that's me and I doubt we're going to see eye to eye on this, so let's just agree to disagree.
Humility isn’t necessary for success, that much is obvious. That’s what I took from your “humility is overrated” line. And I think that in some instances a person’s humility can hold them back. But I’ve lived such an amazingly charmed life, I really have, so it’s difficult for me to not occasionally sit down and wonder how the hell it all happened. At any rate, Mark Twain agrees with you: “There is a breed of humility which it itself a species of showing off.”
 

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Yeah....you bring up stuff from 30 years ago but you're not hating. I won't even touch the other stupidity you wrote as I'm not promoting him or his team, just laughing at those so up in arms over him or is it just the "coverage" that some hid behind. LOL...you get him and that media now.

I don't hate, I just don't think he has really changed. He won't act out with a physical attack, rather, go on and on with "everyone is against us" mantra. The media is just as bad with their "he's breaking glass ceilings" (whatever that is suppose to mean). Thus far he has been all hat and no cattle.
 

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"People in general have a bad conception of how talented they actually are, in comparison to others. Humility can help you get better."

So true. It grounds a person and encourages self-awareness. Self-awareness is good for the individual and all the others with whom the person has contact.

You can be self aware without humility.

I generally think that people in general are far too concerned with what other people think of them. I’m guess I’m wired differently in that I’ve never been all that interested in what others thought of me. If you’d me meet in person, it’d take about 5 minutes to figure out that I’m never going to care if you like me or not.

In that way, I suppose, you could say that I’m very self aware. But still not all that humble.
 

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I don't hate, I just don't think he has really changed. He won't act out with a physical attack, rather, go on and on with "everyone is against us" mantra. The media is just as bad with their "he's breaking glass ceilings" (whatever that is suppose to mean). Thus far he has been all hat and no cattle.
He’s playing chess with you and the media while they play checkers. He has them talking about CU constantly and they are promoting CU for him whether they know it or not. If you're a CU fan right now and you see them winning and getting all of this national attention....you don't care at all about water being thrown at McCarver.

CU will drop some more games and the hype will fade. It’s honestly that simple. He will either sink or swim as a HC there but right now he has them in a better spot than they were last year. Who knows if that will last or not? I don’t know and to be honest I don’t care. I don’t put coaches or players on some pedestals like plenty of people do.
 
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I just don't put much value in humility. I've found in my life that the vast majority of "humble" people are absolute fakes. I can count on one hand the genuinely humble people I've encountered.

I'd much rather deal with confident people who don't try to fake humility.

But that's me and I doubt we're going to see eye to eye on this, so let's just agree to disagree.
You have a point. But I have found over the years that the loudest, most boisterous people are usually overcompensating for their own insecurities. There was a quote I read years ago that I always think of when I encounter someone like this. “The loudest person in the room is usually the weakest.”
 

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I just don't put much value in humility. I've found in my life that the vast majority of "humble" people are absolute fakes. I can count on one hand the genuinely humble people I've encountered.

I'd much rather deal with confident people who don't try to fake humility.

But that's me and I doubt we're going to see eye to eye on this, so let's just agree to disagree.
Humility and confidence are not mutually exclusive. Frankly, my favorite people are both.

Exhibit A = Joe Paterno
 

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You can be self aware without humility.

I generally think that people in general are far too concerned with what other people think of them. I’m guess I’m wired differently in that I’ve never been all that interested in what others thought of me. If you’d me meet in person, it’d take about 5 minutes to figure out that I’m never going to care if you like me or not.

In that way, I suppose, you could say that I’m very self aware. But still not all that humble.
Yeah, you can be self aware without humility, but whether or not this describes your reality depends in a whole big way on the trajectory your life has taken, and by the personalities of the people you have interacted with. Mark Twain’s experiences, for example.
 

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Yeah....you bring up stuff from 30 years ago but you're not hating. I won't even touch the other stupidity you wrote as I'm not promoting him or his team, just laughing at those so up in arms over him or is it just the "coverage" that some hid behind. LOL...you get him and that media now.

30 years ago? He called players ‘luggage’ and booted scholarship players who committed to a program when it was down (most are worse off now) just a few months ago. I admire that he takes his medicine when a real program destroys him though.
 

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You have a point. But I have found over the years that the loudest, most boisterous people are usually overcompensating for their own insecurities. There was a quote I read years ago that I always think of when I encounter someone like this. “The loudest person in the room is usually the weakest.”

Yeah, I get that. I’m not a braggart by any means. I’m simply not going to downplay my strengths to make others feel better about their shortcoming.
If that makes me an *******, so be it.
 

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30 years ago? He called players ‘luggage’ and booted scholarship players who committed to a program when it was down (most are worse off now) just a few months ago. I admire that he takes his medicine when a real program destroys him though.
Pssst, the Tim MCarver video was 30 years ago and that is what someone brought up as one of the reasons why someone doesn't like Deion, not you, but someone else who I replied to. That is what I was referencing with that timeline.

Sorry college football changed but that is a part of the deal. It's semi-pro ball for all intents and purposes now and yes if you were a CU fan/alum and he cut the dead weight, brought in better talent, and started getting better results almost instantly most aren't going to complain about it. PSU has a huge contingent of fans who literally think their **** doesn't stink and never has.

I'm not sure what to tell some folks that think that way, but our coaches have the talk with kids too after every season and some of them are guided out the door. That isn't a program coming off of a 3-4 win season either. He'll either sink or swim and it won't matter to me one way or the other. The PAC is loaded this year and he will drop more games, maybe all of them. Kids are getting 80-100k cars, paid for advertising, and events, but a new coach is supposed to be loyal and not try and get ahead.....that isn't a reality. I get the transition was abrupt, but MSU brought in about 20 transfers or so when Tucker got hired. If Franklin tanks and a new HC comes in, if he isn't doing his best to make the program better than he's going to be unemployed in 1-2 years...3 if they are lucky now. Some of you take it so personal with coaches and players...it's odd to me. Franklin's first class here was practically Vandy's....but we got McSorely out of it and a BT title.
 
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Pssst, the Tim MCarver video was 30 years ago and that is what someone brought up as one of the reasons why someone doesn't like Deion, not you, but someone else who I replied to. That is what I was referencing with that timeline.

Sorry college football changed but that is a part of the deal. It's semi-pro ball for all intents and purposes now and yes if you were a CU fan/alum and he cut the dead weight, brought in better talent, and started getting better results almost instantly most aren't going to complain about it. PSU has a huge contingent of fans who literally think their **** doesn't stink and never has.

I'm not sure what to tell some folks that think that way, but our coaches have the talk with kids too after every season and some of them are guided out the door. That isn't a program coming off of a 3-4 win season either. He'll either sink or swim and it won't matter to me one way or the other. The PAC is loaded this year and he will drop more games, maybe all of them. Kids are getting 80-100k cars, paid for advertising, and events, but a new coach is supposed to be loyal and not try and get ahead.....that isn't a reality. I get the transition was abrupt, but MSU brought in about 20 transfers or so when Tucker got hired. If Franklin tanks and a new HC comes in, if he isn't doing his best to make the program better than he's going to be unemployed in 1-2 years...3 if they are lucky now. Some of you take it so personal with coaches and players...it's odd to me.

It’s far from personal - it’s entertainment. I mostly don’t mind ‘coach’ Deion - it’s LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME Deion I have an issue with. Everything he does in front of a camera is a spectacle. Dial it down a bit and maybe people wouldn’t be rooting so hard for him to fail. Maybe say, ‘Those of you who work hard and want to be a part of what we’re building will have a chance to prove themselves,’ instead of ‘I GOT MY OWN LUGGAGE - AND IT’S LOUIS!!’ at your first team meeting? Or “I’m coming. And when I get there, it’s gonna be changed, so I want y’all to get ready to go ahead and jump in that portal and do whatever you’re gonna get because the more of you jump into (the portal), the more room you make because we bring kids that are smart, tough.”

I can see why he’s so easy to root for and write defensive pieces about…..this is ‘getting it’? Oregon scored again.
 
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I would have had a lot more respect for him if he would have kept most of those kids and developed them into a winning team, but he took the easy way out and brought in a bunch of new kids. When you replace kids who were struggling without giving them a chance, and replace them with higher rated kids, that doesn’t really show me you’re a good coach. That’s just me though.
Most of the kids on that roster were not D1 athletes. The previous coach should have been sued for malpractice for exposing those kids to serious injury. Are you really helping them by pretending they belong at the D1 level?
 

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Most of the kids on that roster were not D1 athletes. The previous coach should have been sued for malpractice for exposing those kids to serious injury. Are you really helping them by pretending they belong at the D1 level?

All kids can be seriously injured. Stop while you’re behind.
 
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Most of the kids on that roster were not D1 athletes. The previous coach should have been sued for malpractice for exposing those kids to serious injury. Are you really helping them by pretending they belong at the D1
How would you feel about the situation if one of those young men was your son or grandson and they had him standing in front of them telling them to pack their bags cause he’s bringing his “Louie”? All the while videotaping it so it could be broadcast to bring attention to the one saying it at their expense. The whole discussion may have been needed with the team, but the approach and presentation was in poor taste at best. That meeting should have been behind closed doors and not videotaped. Have some class and respect for other human beings. Playing it off as he did them a favor because they could get hurt is weak and insignificant.
 
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You can be self aware without humility.

I generally think that people in general are far too concerned with what other people think of them. I’m guess I’m wired differently in that I’ve never been all that interested in what others thought of me. If you’d me meet in person, it’d take about 5 minutes to figure out that I’m never going to care if you like me or not.

In that way, I suppose, you could say that I’m very self aware. But still not all that humble.
There’s also a BIG difference between not caring what people think and being an obnoxious jerk off. I highly encourage my boys to not necessarily care what people think. But, I also encourage them to treat others the way they want to be treated and be decent human beings. Unfortunately, nowadays, the second part is completely lost. It’s everyone for themselves and everyone else can F off.
 

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It’s far from personal - it’s entertainment. I mostly don’t mind ‘coach’ Deion - it’s LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME Deion I have an issue with. Everything he does in front of a camera is a spectacle. Dial it down a bit and maybe people wouldn’t be rooting so hard for him to fail. Maybe say, ‘Those of you who work hard and want to be a part of what we’re building will have a chance to prove themselves,’ instead of ‘I GOT MY OWN LUGGAGE - AND IT’S LOUIS!!’ at your first team meeting? Or “I’m coming. And when I get there, it’s gonna be changed, so I want y’all to get ready to go ahead and jump in that portal and do whatever you’re gonna get because the more of you jump into (the portal), the more room you make because we bring kids that are smart, tough.”

I can see why he’s so easy to root for and write defensive pieces about…..this is ‘getting it’? Oregon scored again.
Pretty much everyone has an issue with the showboat part of him. Well most of us have issues with narcissists, but he’s a college coach so some perspective isn’t a bad thing. I get that but he’s not really doing much different than other coaches, but he is shaking some trees. Other schools bash Franklin relentlessly, it’s the nature of the beast with fans IMO. Sorry he doesn’t trigger me like he does you and a few others. Great for Oregon!!!! I’m a PSU fan, not sure how that helped PSU though? I don’t root for him or CU unless it helps PSU. I’m over this thread though, it’s stupid. I enjoy your takes, no ill will here.
 
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Most of the kids on that roster were not D1 athletes. The previous coach should have been sued for malpractice for exposing those kids to serious injury. Are you really helping them by pretending they belong at the D1 level?

I'm sure all those that had their scholarship yanked were from wealthy suburban families that will have no problem finding the financial resources to continue their kids college education.
 

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If you take the time to read beyond the headlines, and into the page 3 articles on Prime, he does a lot of really good and admirable things. Often he wants no reporting on them as it is a generous act of kindness. He has his blustery media persona, and a different out of the limelight personality.
 
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