FC: ESPN takes on Penn State once again

manatree

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Hindsight is always 20-20 on cased like this. If he ended up innocent and was incarcerated instead of out on bail, someone would by crying “injustice!”

So what are you saying, that people who are found guilty by a jury should never be incarcerated?
 

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It seems go beyond a Penn State bias. It's more like a Paterno bias. If the ESPN staff wanted to, they could write articles about any number of bad actors who played college football anywhere else. And those stories would be much more recent than 1979. The article contained more photos of Joe than it did of the bad guy. Their agenda is to try to throw as much crap at Joe as possible.
I don’t think the motivation goes beyond anything but ratings interest and therefore $$. The summer before the scandal hit (but months after the first reports of Sandusky being a pedophile hit in March of that year) ESPN was falling all over itself to praise Joe and Coach K in a special they did together from State College. Mere months later ESPN trashed his legacy just as his career was about to end. Now they are revisiting that (albeit in a cautious, PC way) in the new special. In order to drum up interest in that, they unearth the story about the 1979 player. ESPN doesn’t hate Joe as much as it loves $$ and desperately needs ratings.
 

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I don’t think the motivation goes beyond anything but ratings interest and therefore $$. The summer before the scandal hit (but months after the first reports of Sandusky being a pedophile hit in March of that year) ESPN was falling all over itself to praise Joe and Coach K in a special they did together from State College. Mere months later ESPN trashed his legacy just as his career was about to end. Now they are revisiting that (albeit in a cautious, PC way) in the new special. In order to drum up interest in that, they unearth the story about the 1979 player. ESPN doesn’t hate Joe as much as it loves $$ and desperately needs ratings.
Possibly true…still is outrageous behavior.
 
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Ok…and how is that Penn State or Joe’s responsibility?
It’s pretty obvious they wanted to stop just short of saying (but strongly suggesting to the reader) that Mitinger was known as a fixer, that he carried out Joe’s orders, and that he was behind the judge’s decision to release Hodne, which made Joe responsible for everything after the release.

The people at ESPN who pushed this are the last thing a turd feels before it hits the water. (See I can play that game too.)
 

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I attended PSU from 1976 to 1980. I never, ever heard of the guy. In ’78 to ‘79 I lived in an apartment below Rich Milot and in the same building as Keith Dorney. I used to see quite a few guys from the team at that time and had some interaction with them, and they never mentioned anything about him. Nothing in the Collegian or CDT that I can remember. Looks like a continued, typical 4 letter network vendetta as in the past.
Did you live in Southgate, Big O?
 

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It’s 44 years ago. Hindsight analysis is not worth much. Hodne committed a nonviolent burglary and attempted larceny of a closed record store. He was caught and Paterno suspended him and wanted to give him another chance if he earned it. No indication of violence or rape at the time. Really can‘t say this decision was definitely wrong with the info Paterno had at the time. It looks like the police and prosecutor handled the rapes without interference, making reasonable strategic decisions on how to proceed. They started with the most provable case and got a conviction. Paterno threw Hodne off the team after he was accused and the school expelled him. After conviction, the judge decided to release him pending sentencing, and Hodne committed other rapes while released. No indication Paterno had anything to do with it. Hodne was sentenced for 3 years for the Saylor case and additional time for the NY rapes. There is no proof Paterno prevented the prosecution of Hodne for any other rapes (unless I missed it). Rather, the prosecutor and police must have made the decision. One of the players called to testify was told to tell the truth by Paterno. The other player alleged retaliation by Paterno, but an assistant coach refuted the claim. It’s been 44 years so there’s no real way to judge credibility on that issue. By the way, the player said he testified the way he wanted to without interference. All in all, it doesn’t seem that Paterno did anything wrong. His failure to mention Hodne to 60 minutes is understandable and doesn’t prove bad faith or cover up. Didn‘t a female athlete at Iowa allege a rape by a football player and there was actual proof that the school tried to prevent her from going to the police?
 

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If you’re in the mood (as in, fightin’), pour your adult beverage of choice and settle in. The only thing more infuriating and absurd than trying to pin Hodne’s crimes on Paterno’s need to protect the program, is listening to Paula Lavigne talk about why they did it. Oh - and not sure if mentioned in the article, but Paula mentions they made a ‘movie’ about Irv Pankey and his friendship with the one survivor whose case was actually prosecuted. So, be on the lookout…

 

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If you’re in the mood (as in, fightin’), pour your adult beverage of choice and settle in. The only thing more infuriating and absurd than trying to pin Hodne’s crimes on Paterno’s need to protect the program, is listening to Paula Lavigne talk about why they did it. Oh - and not sure if mentioned in the article, but Paula mentions they made a ‘movie’ about Irv Pankey and his friendship with the one survivor whose case was actually prosecuted. So, be on the lookout…


Great…I will notify the Academy.
 
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rudedude

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I say ef Matt Millen. He doubled down on his sh!tty first take from years ago when he cried.
He is a dope and the balls to interview serial liar Aaron Fisher! Howard Bryant also is another ESPIN a**hole.
 
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He is a dope and the balls to interview serial liar Aaron Fisher! Howard Bryant also is another ESPIN a**hole.
I'd like to see the full interviews with each person not just little clips that they can sway opinion with. I think it would paint a completely different picture.
 

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Was this on tonight? I didn’t see it if so. What’s the problem with Franklin?
Nothing at all is wrong with Franklin with regards to Joe. Some older Paterno guys think every HC forever needs to have a Paterno prayer and bow down to the place where the statues were while chanting Joe's name. Franklin has more than made his feelings know when it comes to Joe and they were positive. A few on this site had issues with Franklin long before he was hired and just need some BS to make themselves angry. It's just BS people invented.
 

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There is no problem with Franklin. He didn’t want to play into ESPN’s game.

If I recall correctly from other site, feet HATES Franklin.

Why is an ESPN reporter, who is specifically working on this documentary, hanging out after a practice (IIRC) to ask questions about Paterno? This should have been handled in Franklin's office via the SID. I still think Franklin could have been quicker on his feet instead of avoidance, but looking back don't blame him under the circumstances. Unfortunately, I think ESPN got exactly what they wanted with this.
 

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Why is an ESPN reporter, who is specifically working on this documentary, hanging out after a practice (IIRC) to ask questions about Paterno? This should have been handled in Franklin's office via the SID. I still think Franklin could have been quicker on his feet instead of avoidance, but looking back don't blame him under the circumstances. Unfortunately, I think ESPN got exactly what they wanted with this.

Of course, the problem is that espn wanted this.
 
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Why is an ESPN reporter, who is specifically working on this documentary, hanging out after a practice (IIRC) to ask questions about Paterno? This should have been handled in Franklin's office via the SID. I still think Franklin could have been quicker on his feet instead of avoidance, but looking back don't blame him under the circumstances. Unfortunately, I think ESPN got exactly what they wanted with this.

To clarify a bit:

 

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To clarify a bit:


It’s no secret that this is a topic Franklin doesn’t enjoy talking about publicly. The Langhorne, Pennsylvania, native mentioned Paterno and his legacy during his introductory press conference as Penn State’s head coach back in 2014 but has since largely avoided any more extended discussion.

ESPN noted that it reached out to Penn State for a more formal sit-down with Franklin but was denied. If a request was indeed filed and turned down or ignored by the head coach and his communications team, then it’s understandable that Barr took the opportunity to go to Franklin himself.


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Is it true ESPN requested a formal interview and was denied? That looks bad IMO, but it's still mostly lose-lose - whatever he said, they would find a way to make it fit their 'corrupt Paterno' narrative.

I do agree that CJF is over the Paterno thing though.
 
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It’s no secret that this is a topic Franklin doesn’t enjoy talking about publicly. The Langhorne, Pennsylvania, native mentioned Paterno and his legacy during his introductory press conference as Penn State’s head coach back in 2014 but has since largely avoided any more extended discussion.

ESPN noted that it reached out to Penn State for a more formal sit-down with Franklin but was denied. If a request was indeed filed and turned down or ignored by the head coach and his communications team, then it’s understandable that Barr took the opportunity to go to Franklin himself.


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Is it true ESPN requested a formal interview and was denied? That looks bad IMO, but it's still mostly lose-lose - whatever he said, they would find a way to make it fit their 'corrupt Paterno' narrative.

I do agree that CJF is over the Paterno thing though.
Rightfully so.
 

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Wow, Onward State writer with an actual solid and common sense article. More sense then many on the boards. Must be end of the world.
 

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For those who are interested, Graham Spanier will be interviewed live today at 3pm EDT on the Search Warrant (i.e. John Snedden) podcast on kgra radio. I believe Spanier will discuss his new book and his reaction to the ESPN "documentary" on the Paterno legacy. You should be able to find the live link on the Search Warrant twitter feed. It is usually posted a little before the show starts.

 
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That's all well and good, but by taking big leaps in logic in an attempt to connect the story to PSU and Paterno, the authors shifted the focus completely away from giving the victims a voice. Now it's just another article that the masses will remember as evidence PSU and Paterno are evil, and little else. Which is a shame because it was going to be a good story otherwise.
 

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That's all well and good, but by taking big leaps in logic in an attempt to connect the story to PSU and Paterno, the authors shifted the focus completely away from giving the victims a voice. Now it's just another article that the masses will remember as evidence PSU and Paterno are evil, and little else. Which is a shame because it was going to be a good story otherwise.
ESPN should go straight to the source and get the scoop from MM. He had no problem speaking his thoughts on the old board.

Post in thread 'Penn State Trustees call special meeting on Friday to discuss Freeh Report' https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...y-to-discuss-freeh-report.210843/post-3533507
 

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Thanks for posting that. I had never seen that exchange before. MM appears to have upped his dickheadedness post getting paid by PSU. He is a vile human IMO.
Agree. He posted more recently, but I believe the thread was deleted. I think it was late last summer/fall. Seems he can't help himself. I worked with a former fire chief a few years back and he said when they suspect arson they'll watch any news footage taken at the scene because often times the arsonist will stick around to admire his work. 😏
 
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