I hope this needs edited... That last paragraph is very concerning. Is that one of the accusations? If so, how does CJF still have a job?
FC/OT: Article says Franklin tried to interfere with team doctors…
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"Authority?" Not directly. The sentence that follows is the core issue of the lawsuit.
You might want to clean up your second paragraph.
No it was either a mistake or an idiot PSU fan being an idiot PSU fan. Yes the name is out there and for people to type that crap shows who they are really.
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The funniest thing here IMO is Penn State not disputing Franklin's interference; rather, that the doctor was at fault because he couldn't deal with Franklin in person and instead had to do it over the phone (and be hung up on by Franklin).
This is what happens when you have a bonehead AD. Barbour should have indicated to Dr. Black that the football program wanted to expand Dr. Lynch's coverage so that: a) he would be present at all practices (and games); and b) otherwise be no more than 10-15 minutes away from workout sites. Lynch would have turned that down and Barbour could then indicate that PSU would explore other options.
sandy couldn’t be expected to do everything when she was leadering so many critical activities. This is why she had a cast of thousands. Delegation.
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Since CFJ is not a party in the suit, why would PSU dispute anything regarding him at all? We all know why you keep mentioning him, of course.
A lot of fans probably assume that Franklin will be fired after this incident. Watch some 80% of the fans get up and leave Beaver Stadium when they see Franklin lead the team out of the tunnel at the first home game this season.
I'd label this whole thing as yet another instance of when it happens to your rival, you look at it with disgust and it's proof of how awful they are...when it happens at your school, you downplay it and pretend it's not a big deal.
My two cents on this debacle...it's concerning, but not at all surprising. I remember watching Pat Chambers yelling at Jon Salazer once after Shep Garner rolled an ankle, telling him that Shep was fine and to get him back out there as Jon was treating it. Coaches at this level are going to want to get their players back on the field/court...doctors are going to want to be conservative and CYA. And it's up to the administration to make sure that both stay in their lanes and do the right thing. Lynch doesn't get fired, and he's likely still working for the football program today while trying to toe that line. Instead, he's disgruntled and all of the dirty laundry (that exists at most schools to some degree) ends up out in the open.
My two cents on this debacle...it's concerning, but not at all surprising. I remember watching Pat Chambers yelling at Jon Salazer once after Shep Garner rolled an ankle, telling him that Shep was fine and to get him back out there as Jon was treating it. Coaches at this level are going to want to get their players back on the field/court...doctors are going to want to be conservative and CYA. And it's up to the administration to make sure that both stay in their lanes and do the right thing. Lynch doesn't get fired, and he's likely still working for the football program today while trying to toe that line. Instead, he's disgruntled and all of the dirty laundry (that exists at most schools to some degree) ends up out in the open.
Rob Windsor testified against Franklin. So much for it ending with, “I love you.”
Why would any coach want to work at Penn State? The university leaders have become a huge pile of steamy dung.
But, they already are. They mentioned him because he's the entire reason for the suit. He's covered legally due to a technicality, but he's the whole point. He had Trace McSorley and Saquon Barkely speak on his behalf at the trial. Why do that if not a party to the suit? You know the answer. but will defend the guy at all costs. This is just another (though relatively low on the list) reason for Franklin to get to work with Shane Gillis and Co. at
Valley Forge Auto.
your hatred is showing again
Because his behavior is the central issue underpinning the suit. The plaintiff built a stack of instances where Franklin was in conflict with medical advisors/advice and that was all they needed to sway a jury their way. I would have found PSU's argument persuasive, but my experience on juries generally finds me in the minority or alone.
Some of the “fans/alumni” are as well. And they wonder why O’Brien left?
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My bad for the wording but this has been published.I think you need to clean up that last sentence a bit.
He and Seidenberg also discussed a football player who attempted suicide in October 2017 and was admitted to inpatient psychiatric care. Bream and Seidenberg described a meeting with Lynch, Franklin, Barbour and others in which Franklin wanted the doctors to medically disqualify the athlete, who was still undergoing treatment, so that Franklin could use his scholarship for another player.
Ex-PSU doc awarded $5.25M in suit alleging James Franklin interference - ESPN
I didn’t click the link, but my understanding is that this kid still would have had his tuition covered by PSU.
Yes that's my understanding.
I feel bad for the player who is going through things like that but I don't see a problem trying to free up a scholarship if the kid can't play. Perhaps the doctor thought removing him from football would be too much of an emotional impact.
Typically, yes, but not automatic and not necessarily fully equivalent. You also don't want to break the news and explain the scholarship ramifications to someone who is emotionally fragile.
True...some delusional fans still thinking it's 1987 and others thinking PSU was right there the last 3 decades.
Well, you OBVIOUSLY.
don’t tell the kid that you’re pulling his athletic scholarship. That would be insensitive. Duh!
He left for the money and because ‘NFL’ - don’t kid yourself. That hatchet job by Jones was orchestrated to help grease the skids on the way out.
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I’m aware of why he left. He said from day one his dream job was the NFL, but try telling that to the same folks who criticized him at every step of the way and now do the same with Franklin.
Which pretty much sums up every fan base everywhere.
Anyone who seriously thinks PSU fans are a real problem that chase coaches like o’Brien away need to open their eyes and look elsewhere. PSU fans are very timid compared to fan bases at Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Florida State, etc.
Well aware. I just like to point out the constant complaining to a few on here. They go unopposed for days on end.Which pretty much sums up every fan base everywhere.
Anyone who seriously thinks PSU fans are a real problem that chase coaches like o’Brien away need to open their eyes and look elsewhere. PSU fans are very timid compared to fan bases at Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Florida State, etc.
I'm just glad to hear CJF did not want a player to kill himself.
Name somebody you wouldn't take over Franklin.Would take O'Brien back over Franklin in a second.
Yep dumb and over emotional fans exist everywhere. PSU is certainly no different. They go on like removing Franklin is an option. It’s not currently at all but hopefully he tanks so bad they can get their way or I was right trophy as that matters most.Which pretty much sums up every fan base everywhere.
Anyone who seriously thinks PSU fans are a real problem that chase coaches like o’Brien away need to open their eyes and look elsewhere. PSU fans are very timid compared to fan bases at Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Florida State, etc.
The school isn’t adjusting to NIL changes and will be passed by in the conference even more probably by 2 of the teams out west. Never mind the nation PSU will barely crack the top 5 in the conference for NIL support. Oregon, USC, tOSU, and UM will all be more aggressive there. At least that is what is being reported on more than one site.
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Maybe they will have new cheers touting their championship level payrolls?Yep dumb and over emotional fans exist everywhere. PSU is certainly no different. They go on like removing Franklin is an option. It’s not currently at all but hopefully he tanks so bad they can get their way or I was right trophy as that matters most.
The school isn’t adjusting to NIL changes and will be passed by in the conference even more probably by 2 of the teams out west. Never mind the nation PSU will barely crack the top 5 in the conference for NIL support. Oregon, USC, tOSU, and UM will all be more aggressive there. At least that is what is being reported on more than one site.
The sport is dead.
It’s semi-pro football which it always has been. Not everyone in single A makes it to the show. Now the players can profit from it with no real rules. Had the NCAA, conferences, and schools not been so greedy they could have made this transition smoothly years ago.