FC/OT: RIP Pete Rose

[MrTailgate]

So many emotions on hearing about Rose’s passing. One thing that people forget is that he was signed as a free agent by the Phillies to a 4 year deal FOLLOWING his age 37 season. If memory serves me correctly, it was the richest FA signing in history and was done at an age when most players were well into their decline or already retired. The fact that he got a 4 year deal at the age he did and at the money he got was amazing and reflected the player he was.

Schmidt was well into his legendary career but Rose commanded all the attention. I always thought that Rose made Schmidt better just by running interference with the press. Schmidt was never comfortable with the press and Rose paid huge dividends by insulating Schmidt.

 

[Thorndike2021]

Mr. Rose died today. He didn't bet on anything today; he had no hits or RBIs. The man died today.

Words are powerful things. I will choose to say that I pray he is at peace. I pray that his family and loved ones are comforted this evening.

Godspeed, Mr. Rose.

 

[wbcbus]

Just a reflection on the hypocrisy our society. I’m not advocating for his admission to Cooperstown. But it appears that there’s racists, wife beaters, drunkards, probably a couple child molesters and Lord knows what other miscreants are in there. I don’t believe he’d totally upset the pristine harmony of the place if they let him in. Hell, Pete can’t even lay a wager down on his chances after today.

Respectfully disagree. The success of sports as a business is dependent on one thing more than any other: that fans can trust what they're seeing on the field. Someone being a murderer does not affect that trust. Someone betting on the games does.

So while the crimes you list are clearly much more heinous, they don't bring the integrity of the game into question like gambling does. It is the line that cannot be crossed, or it can ruin sports entirely, so it must be met with the harshest of penalties.

I agree Tom. The hypocrisy of the MLB itself, as now you can watch a game and get at least a dozen commercials advertising gambling during the game. Then you have the A’s moving from Oakland….to Vegas. It’s just my opinion, and maybe it’s old fashioned thinking, but pro sports teams in Vegas feels like a conflict of interest.

There is no hypocrisy in saying fans who have no impact on the game can bet, while players who do impact the game cannot. The head of security at a weed distribution facility cannot be high on the job, and that is not a conflict.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

Great baseball player, terrible person. I'm very glad he didn't live to see himself get inducted into the HOF nor should he be ever put in. Let him serve as an example for every baseball player that no matter how big you are, you're not bigger than the game and you're not to bet on baseball. If they can ban the all-time hits leader, they can ban anyone. His example could be his best legacy saving others from doing it.

 

[BobPSU92]

Wilt almost certainly played 500 “rounds” in five different positions …

Why was he named Wilt?

 

[MrTailgate]

Why was he named Wilt?

I bet NOBODY ever referred to you as “The Big Dipper”.

 

[kgilbert78]

Two thoughts. The first was the local stations here in town talking about his "three championships with the Reds". Of course there were only two. The third was with the Phillies. Second, in Great American Ball Park in Cincy, there are quotes from a number of players along the suites concourse. One of those is Rose: "I'd walk through Hell in a gasoline suit just to play baseball". Rest in peace.

 

[TheTwistedFrog]

Great baseball player, terrible person. I'm very glad he didn't live to see himself get inducted into the HOF nor should he be ever put in. Let him serve as an example for every baseball player that no matter how big you are, you're not bigger than the game and you're not to bet on baseball. If they can ban the all-time hits leader, they can ban anyone. His example could be his best legacy saving others from doing it.

Ty Cobb killed a guy and he’s in Cooperstown.

 

[LionJim]

Ty Cobb killed a guy and he’s in Cooperstown.

I don’t think this is true. What is true is that Cobb’s mother shot and killed his father, supposedly believing he was a burglar breaking into her house.

Edit: I googled “Did Ty Cobb kill anyone?” and this was the hit at the top.

Author says Cobb's reputation built on tales

CLEVELAND -- The building that housed one of Ty Cobb's most famous fights is gone. The old Euclid Hotel was razed long ago. In its place stands a glass-and-granite high-rise, gleaming in the spring sun.Were we to believe the legend, then right here, mere steps from the spot where a

www.mlb.com

 

[doctornick]

People realize that Rose was a pedophile, right? And when evidence came to light his defense was "I thought she was 16" (which would have made it not illegal but still extremely creepy). The only reason he didn't go to jail was because the statute of limitations had passed.

His gambling was a big issue and that alone was sufficient to warrant the lifetime ban he rightfully received. But it's also only the tip of the iceberg of his sliminess. Hey he also used illegal performance enhancing drugs when he played baseball too for people who care about such things.

 

[wbcbus]

People realize that Rose was a pedophile, right? And when evidence came to light his defense was "I thought she was 16" (which would have made it not illegal but still extremely creepy). The only reason he didn't go to jail was because the statute of limitations had passed.

His gambling was a big issue and that alone was sufficient to warrant the lifetime ban he rightfully received. But it's also only the tip of the iceberg of his sliminess. Hey he also used illegal performance enhancing drugs when he played baseball too for people who care about such things.

Were those "greenies" illegal?

 

[Thus Spake Mainer]

D

I don’t think this is true. What is true is that Cobb’s mother shot and killed his father, supposedly believing he was a burglar breaking into her house.

Edit: I googled “Did Ty Cobb kill anyone?” and this was the hit at the top.

Author says Cobb's reputation built on tales

CLEVELAND -- The building that housed one of Ty Cobb's most famous fights is gone. The old Euclid Hotel was razed long ago. In its place stands a glass-and-granite high-rise, gleaming in the spring sun.Were we to believe the legend, then right here, mere steps from the spot where a

www.mlb.com

Once during a game in Philadelphia a fellow in a wheelchair called Cobb a "half n-word" (to clean it up a bit). Cobb proceeded to enter the stands and pummel him. Such a great guy.

 

[doctornick]

Were those "greenies" illegal?

Absolutely. Do you know of amphetamines being legal in some capacity (without a prescription, which is the same as anabolic steroids)? Easily acquired <> legal.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Absolutely. Do you know of amphetamines being legal in some capacity (without a prescription, which is the same as anabolic steroids)? Easily acquired <> legal.

Diet pills

 

[Erial_Lion]

D

Once during a game in Philadelphia a fellow in a wheelchair called Cobb a "half n-word" (to clean it up a bit). Cobb proceeded to enter the stands and pummel him. Such a great guy.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

 

[TheTwistedFrog]

I don’t think this is true. What is true is that Cobb’s mother shot and killed his father, supposedly believing he was a burglar breaking into her house.

Edit: I googled “Did Ty Cobb kill anyone?” and this was the hit at the top.

Author says Cobb's reputation built on tales

CLEVELAND -- The building that housed one of Ty Cobb's most famous fights is gone. The old Euclid Hotel was razed long ago. In its place stands a glass-and-granite high-rise, gleaming in the spring sun.Were we to believe the legend, then right here, mere steps from the spot where a

www.mlb.com

Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, he was a bad guy. That’s true of about half of the guys in the Hall.

 

[psu31trap]

RIP Pete Rose. I could care less about the gambling or the Baseball’s HOF fiasco. All I know it that no one and I mean no one played baseball like you. Your year’s with “The Big Red Machine” where amazing.

It is my personal opinion that MLB needs new leadership at the very top and the methodologies currently used to pick a HOF players needs to be trashed, it is way too subjective and in many cases punitive. A prime example is Kurt Schilling, one the most dominant Aces in clutch situations with 2 rings out of Coopers town is unconscionable. Black balling Trevor Bauer, another Ace over criminal charges that were proven false, a situation where he was found innocent demonstrates that Baseball is run by people that can do anything to anyone.

On a brighter note, today I will forgive Pete Rose for roughing up Buddy Harrelson and Wayne Garrett in 1973.

 

[Still in State Colllege]

As a fan I never liked Pete Rose. I thought the whole Charlie Hustle thing reeked of look at me, but I am 56 so I didn't really see early Pete. I hated him spiking the ball on the turf with the Phillies after the third out all the time.

All that said he was a great accumulator of stats. Being active for 24 years will do that, but he did average over 200 hits during his first 15 season with the Reds.

I am fine with him not being in the HOF. In fact, I hope they don't put him in now that he has passed as to me that would be really crappy since it meant so much to him.

 

[GrimReaper]

RIP Pete Rose. I could care less about the gambling or the Baseball’s HOF fiasco. All I know it that no one and I mean no one played baseball like you. Your year’s with “The Big Red Machine” where amazing.

It is my personal opinion that MLB needs new leadership at the very top and the methodologies currently used to pick a HOF players needs to be trashed, it is way too subjective and in many cases punitive. A prime example is Kurt Schilling, one the most dominant Aces in clutch situations with 2 rings out of Coopers town is unconscionable. Black balling Trevor Bauer, another Ace over criminal charges that were proven false, a situation where he was found innocent demonstrates that Baseball is run by people that can do anything to anyone.

On a brighter note, today I will forgive Pete Rose for roughing up Buddy Harrelson and Wayne Garrett in 1973.

Bauer isn't eligible yet., not that he'd get selected if he were.

 

[Moogy]

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Once during a game in Philadelphia a fellow in a wheelchair called Cobb a "half n-word" (to clean it up a bit). Cobb proceeded to enter the stands and pummel him. Such a great guy.

Hopefully he beat the guy with his own wheelchair - although, in Cobb's case, he almost certainly beat the guy for the wrong reasons regarding that insult.

 

[cac@PSU]

The Baseball Hall of Fame loses relevance every year. Baseball is not the national pastime today.

 

[Moogy]

RIP Pete Rose. I could care less about the gambling or the Baseball’s HOF fiasco. All I know it that no one and I mean no one played baseball like you. Your year’s with “The Big Red Machine” where amazing.

It is my personal opinion that MLB needs new leadership at the very top and the methodologies currently used to pick a HOF players needs to be trashed, it is way too subjective and in many cases punitive. A prime example is Kurt Schilling, one the most dominant Aces in clutch situations with 2 rings out of Coopers town is unconscionable. Black balling Trevor Bauer, another Ace over criminal charges that were proven false, a situation where he was found innocent demonstrates that Baseball is run by people that can do anything to anyone.

On a brighter note, today I will forgive Pete Rose for roughing up Buddy Harrelson and Wayne Garrett in 1973.

Schilling's an absolute scumbag. I wouldn't light him on fire, but I wouldn't put it out if I walked by him and he already was.

Trevor Bauer may be wrongfully punished. He's a douche (and also a really smart guy who advanced the game greatly), but he may not be a criminal worthy of being banished from MLB.

 

[Ironman2]

I played a LOT of baseball over 20 years. I never thought he was top-echelon at any point, but he did play very well for a long time. But his tenacity in conjunction with his performance made him an icon like few others.

Pete was an all-star at 5 different positions. Name me another player who can say that.

 

[manatree]

Pete was an all-star at 5 different positions. Name me another player who can say that.

Depends on your definitions of player and position.

 

[TheTwistedFrog]

You really need to let that go...

If you’re married, how would you feel if you caught your wife having an affair and she just denied it even with an insane amount of evidence?

You might be able to forgive, but it’s not capacity everyone has.

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

If you’re married, how would you feel if you caught your wife having an affair and she just denied it even with an insane amount of evidence?

You might be able to forgive, but it’s not capacity everyone has.

You are saying that the possibility of taking a small amount of air out of a football (widely disproven by science) is the same as cheating on your spouse? Really?

 

[TheTwistedFrog]

You are saying that the possibility of taking a small amount of air out of a football (widely disproven by science) is the same as cheating on your spouse? Really?

I’d just say that there are a lot of people who don’t see gray tones with this kind of thing.

 

[Nittany.Lion]

I just heard this tidbit on the local news. Whitey Herzog and Rose were good friends at the time and on the day the news broke about the gambling, Rose and Herzog were managing against each other. When they presented the lineup cards, Rose told Herzog "We're going kick your *** tonight," Whitey's retort... wanna bet?

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

I’d just say that there are a lot of people who don’t see gray tones with this kind of thing.

Of course there's this too...

Science says Patriots never tampered footballs

As Tom Brady returns to the field, the science shows that he and the Patriots did nothing wrong.

www.si.com

 

[PSUJam]

I'm not a fan of Pete at all but he was born in the wrong era. These days you get put in a time out for gambling as a player.

NFL reinstates five players from gambling bans

The NFL has reinstated five players who were suspended for the 2023 season for violating the NFL's gambling policy.

www.espn.com

 

[Erial_Lion]

I'm not a fan of Pete at all but he was born in the wrong era. These days you get put in a time out for gambling as a player.

NFL reinstates five players from gambling bans

The NFL has reinstated five players who were suspended for the 2023 season for violating the NFL's gambling policy.

www.espn.com

More like if you bet on other games that you're not involved in and admit to it/assist with the investigation, you might be treated differently than betting on games involving your own team, and then lying about it for 25 years.

 

[BobPSU92]

The Baseball Hall of Fame loses relevance every year. Baseball is not the national pastime today.

They should merge the Baseball and Rock and Roll Halls of Fame.

 

[BobPSU92]

I'm not a fan of Pete at all but he was born in the wrong era. These days you get put in a time out for gambling as a player.

NFL reinstates five players from gambling bans

The NFL has reinstated five players who were suspended for the 2023 season for violating the NFL's gambling policy.

www.espn.com

Ethics is an antiquated notion.

 

[manatree]

I'm not a fan of Pete at all but he was born in the wrong era. These days you get put in a time out for gambling as a player.

NFL reinstates five players from gambling bans

The NFL has reinstated five players who were suspended for the 2023 season for violating the NFL's gambling policy.

www.espn.com

Today I Learned that Pete Rose also played in the NFL.

 

[PSUJam]

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[PSUJam]

More like if you bet on other games that you're not involved in and admit to it/assist with the investigation, you might be treated differently than betting on games involving your own team, and then lying about it for 25 years.

PEDs clearly changed the outcome of games for many years and Selig and crew looked the other way until Canseco spilled the beans. Then after BALCO, McGwire, who also lied about his PED use for years, coached in MLB for many years up until 2018. Why the double standard?

 

[PSUJam]

Today I Learned that Pete Rose also played in the NFL.

 

[Erial_Lion]

PEDs clearly changed the outcome of games for many years and Selig and crew looked the other way until Canseco spilled the beans. Then after BALCO, McGwire, who also lied about his PED use for years, coached in MLB for many years up until 2018. Why the double standard?

The pitchers they were facing were likely also juiced up too. Baseball was obviously well behind the curve on the steroid use, but thankfully they finally caught up and dealt with it...and you won't find Canseco and McGwire and Bonds in the Hall of Fame due to their actions either.

 

[PSUJam]

The pitchers they were facing were likely also juiced up too. Baseball was obviously well behind the curve on the steroid use, but thankfully they finally caught up and dealt with it...and you won't find Canseco and McGwire and Bonds in the Hall of Fame due to their actions either.

Understood. But McGwire clearly lied and they let him coach. A Rod is all over the place covering MLB. All cheaters. They wouldn't even let Rose near the game. Like I said, I think he's a scumbag, but the irony is blatant.

 

[PSUJam]

Ethics is an antiquated notion.

Read up on all the Ohtani smoke.