FC: Singleton and Allen to return?

psuro

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Ran into a couple guys after the Fiesta Bowl who indicated that Allen wanted $2MM to return. I think it's just rumor though.
 
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$2MM? That doesn’t sound outlandish to me. Thoughts?
I don’t have any real idea about this NIL stuff, but if Pribula is really getting $1.5 million to start at Missouri, I can’t see Allen getting $2 million to share the tailback position.
 

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It Allar, Singleton, and Allen all return the offense should be in good hands next year. This is good and should position them for another run in the playoffs. I would like to see King come back also. He’s vital to the defenses’s success.
 

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On a slightly different note; be honest, who do you like carrying the rock??

Me, I think Allen has shown himself to be a step ahead, he seems to make something out of nothing. think Singletons is faster and a better pass blocker. Glad they're both on our side though.
 

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On a slightly different note; be honest, who do you like carrying the rock??

Me, I think Allen has shown himself to be a step ahead, he seems to make something out of nothing. think Singletons is faster and a better pass blocker. Glad they're both on our side though.
I still maintain that Singleton is dealing with a lingering injury. He looked more explosive at the beginning of the season. I agree with you, Allen seems to be more effective at times.
 

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Both are good backs, but neither is great. Allen is a poor man’s Leveon Bell, patient, powerful but no top end speed. Singleton just doesnt have a ton of wiggle. Cannot see either one making an impact in the pro game.
 

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RB shelf life is finite. I think both returning (if true) is telling of the draft grades they received. Both are very good college backs.

I think both have development areas preventing them from immediate NFL success. Allen is decisive but lacks speed. Singleton is very fast in the open field but falls in a stiff wind.

There are A LOT of productive RB prospects each year. If you get $1 million to stay in college, then do it.
 

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On a slightly different note; be honest, who do you like carrying the rock??

Me, I think Allen has shown himself to be a step ahead, he seems to make something out of nothing. think Singletons is faster and a better pass blocker. Glad they're both on our side though.

Singleton against elite, fast competition. If Allen can gain a head of steam and find a hole, he can rumble. It's best if we have line superiority (to some degree) to best utilize Allen. Singleton can get to holes quicker, make quicker cuts and break one, and, contrary to some reports, he can be tough to bring down (unless you get him by the back shoe) and delivers blows of his own.
 
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Kaytron Allen has actually shown more speed this season, especially the last few games. Still not "fast", but definitely improved.

Singleton's cutback on his TD run against Boise was beautiful. Great vision and instincts. Last year, for some reason, he would just plow ahead with his head down, not make a cut and not break a tackle. Legit improvement this year, similar to Allen.

Both are very good, but stategically I would prefer to use the collective$$$ on an every-down WR rather than a second RB. Maybe that's already done with Kyron Hudson, but we need a WR real bad.
 

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If any good comes from NIL madness, I hope it's this. If you can get some decent money in college, why not stay and develop?
That said, I'm not sure this is the right call for these two guys but I'll take it as a PSU fan.
hard to believe that is a good move for either one. What does develop mean for them? More risk than benefit.
 

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hard to believe that is a good move for either one. What does develop mean for them? More risk than benefit.
The first sentence is a general comment about NIL and players returning. Meant more for the Allar type players.
As I say in the second part, I'm not sure it's the right call for these two guys.
 

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Singleton against elite, fast competition. If Allen can gain a head of steam and find a hole, he can rumble. It's best if we have line superiority (to some degree) to best utilize Allen. Singleton can get to holes quicker, make quicker cuts and break one, and, contrary to some reports, he can be tough to bring down (unless you get him by the back shoe) and delivers blows of his own.
I think Singleton will be far more effective against a team like ND because of your first sentence. Allen is more effective against the Boise State’s of the world. If you need third and short, Allen is better. If you’re looking for a potential home run, Singleton is the guy.
 

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$2MM? That doesn’t sound outlandish to me. Thoughts?
Problem is if Singleton is also coming back, he would demand the same amount, so there’s four mil on two RB’s and then what Allar is getting…doesn’t leave a lot to be spread around.
 
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sounds like our great couch coaches should step up with some cash

NIL as it is currently will end once the rules from the settlement take effect (this summer I believe). A clearing house will have to approve all NIL deals so there won’t be bags of cash just to play. Hopefully, this will put teams on an even playing field again (at least alas far as budgets go - poor teams will still be poor). That said, Saban and his bagmen paid his players for years an no one cared.
 

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NIL as it is currently will end once the rules from the settlement take effect (this summer I believe). A clearing house will have to approve all NIL deals so there won’t be bags of cash just to play. Hopefully, this will put teams on an even playing field again (at least alas far as budgets go - poor teams will still be poor). That said, Saban and his bagmen paid his players for years an no one cared.
I think there will always be bags of cash. Pay to play- or don't.
 

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NIL as it is currently will end once the rules from the settlement take effect (this summer I believe). A clearing house will have to approve all NIL deals so there won’t be bags of cash just to play. Hopefully, this will put teams on an even playing field again (at least alas far as budgets go - poor teams will still be poor). That said, Saban and his bagmen paid his players for years an no one cared.
yes revenue sharing will add to the totals for us
 

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If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly this is likely the best financial move for each of these guys. I don't see either of them being taken very high in the draft...maybe 3rd - 5th rnds. Those rookie contracts are not all that lucrative and do not always include guaranteed money. A preseason knee injury for a 4th rounder likely means he's selling insurance for the next 35 years. Not that that is a horrible thing necessarily. But being in 'school' to finish a degree, hanging and working out with your mates, and playing big time 'college' football for another year (while being paid well) sounds like a great option to me.
 
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NIL as it is currently will end once the rules from the settlement take effect (this summer I believe). A clearing house will have to approve all NIL deals so there won’t be bags of cash just to play. Hopefully, this will put teams on an even playing field again (at least alas far as budgets go - poor teams will still be poor). That said, Saban and his bagmen paid his players for years an no one cared.
A clearinghouse? One might wonder how efficiently we could expect this to operate. Call me cynical if you wish but I wouldn’t say I’m brimming over with enthusiasm about this. I guess it might be the appropriate choice given the obvious need but boy howdy is it going to be a **** show. Lawsuits left and right, you better believe it.
 
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A clearinghouse? One might wonder how efficiently we could expect this to operate. Call me cynical if you wish but I wouldn’t say I’m brimming over with enthusiasm about this. I guess it might be the appropriate choice given the obvious need but boy howdy is it going to be a **** show. Lawsuits left and right, you better believe it.

Share your skepticism, but better than what we have now which is nothing. Since this is court ordered I’m hoping it has some teeth - at least enough to prevent someone from challenging ‘fair market value’ further.
 

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Share your skepticism, but better than what we have now which is nothing. Since this is court ordered I’m hoping it has some teeth - at least enough to prevent someone from challenging ‘fair market value’ further.
Oh, court ordered? Did not know that. There we are. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.
 

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Read an article about the 20 mill cap for Penn State when the schools start paying the players directly. The same article mentioned NIL funds were at 13 mill.
Who sets this $20MM cap? Is this something everybody but me seems to know?
 

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I think Singleton will be far more effective against a team like ND because of your first sentence. Allen is more effective against the Boise State’s of the world. If you need third and short, Allen is better. If you’re looking for a potential home run, Singleton is the guy.
I don't even necessarily like Allen on a 3rd and 1, because that's a yard we HAVE to have, and if there's nothing there in the expected hole, there's a good chance Allen just runs right into the muck anyway and gets stymied, whereas I trust Singleton to find a sliver of space and at least pop forward for that yard.
 

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Who sets this $20MM cap? Is this something everybody but me seems to know?


1. $20.5 is the current estimate available for ALL PSU athletes. It's a formula off the money that is brought in, article might outline it better.

2. No. NIL cannot have limits under its current form. Yes, if you got a rich alum/donor who desires to throw money at this, they can and will.

3. I think the revenue sharing is optional. Just because PSU has $20 million +/- doesn't mean they will use it all.

4. Maybe, but I'm not sure. I would guess that theirs would be significantly lower if so because they don't have massive TV deals.

5. Probably going to raise them regardless between stadium upgrades and typical inflation.

6. Yes, but it comes from the same pot as far as I understand it. Again, I could be wrong.

7. Typically, yes, those are the only college sports that generate more revenue than expenses. It varies school to school.

8. Not sure what RS is, but maybe I'm brain farting. I thought it was New England Joe turned down?