Gamecocks moving closer to new offensive coordinator
The Gamecocks are moving closer to tabbing a new offensive coordinator for Shane Beamer's program in Columbia.
Gamecocks moving closer to new offensive coordinator
- Thread starter Chris Clark
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This makes me sick. We're not acting like an SEC program with a hire like this garbage.
Geez. Another wave of hysteria. Beamer has met expections so far imo so I think he should be cut some slack to hire the people he wants. After all I’m sure he’ll be held accountable. For once let’s see how it turns out.
I'm trying to believe and trust Beamer. And I hope its a homerun . But it doesn't pass the eye test. And if Sat was actually calling the last games plays why would you not try and keep him if this is your best option.
My understanding is we are wanting to hire a proven OC/play caller who is also an excellent recruiter - not a recruiter who has some OC experience, but not primarily as a play caller.
Am I wrong?
And which of these criteria does Loggains fit?
Am I wrong?
And which of these criteria does Loggains fit?
If you have people calling you about the job but yet hire an unknown? I want Beamer to explain that.
We'll probably never know the exact criteria used, or what restrictions were in place on Beamer.
On the surface, this guy is a failure of an OC, but a failure at the NFL level. Does that equate to success in college?
The good recruiter slant? That is the kind of comment that can be said and argued of most coaches, and it's hard to quantify. Was he the primary recruiter, was the school already a favorite for the recruit, was the head coach the real draw, or the offense/defense they run,etc.
I made no secret that I was willing to take a coach from a lower level as long as they had some history of running a successful offense. (And preferably aggressive) I don't feel this guy's history shows that.
I just come away thinking, is it a money issue? Are we really not willing to go get someone that is sought after?
I hope it ends up not being Loggains…but it’s almost like we reached out to Briles and Briles recommended Loggains. He shouldn’t have even been on the radar.
I’m trusting Coach Beamer because he’s done a good job and beat Clemson in the process. I hope it works out, whoever it is. But this would seem like we can’t get anybody to take our OC job.
I’m trusting Coach Beamer because he’s done a good job and beat Clemson in the process. I hope it works out, whoever it is. But this would seem like we can’t get anybody to take our OC job.
Ok....I'm going to put the most outlandish posi-spin on this that would make the sunshine pumpers dance!
Loggains is going to work hand in hand with Kitchens and they will in turn become a dynamic offensive scheming/play calling duo that puts fear in the best DCs in the SEC!
Enjoy!
Loggains is going to work hand in hand with Kitchens and they will in turn become a dynamic offensive scheming/play calling duo that puts fear in the best DCs in the SEC!
Enjoy!
If money is the issue, we (AD, BOT, etc.) are fools who are unwilling to invest the money to take advantage of the momentum Coach Beamer has built which will pay future dividends. We should have learned from the failures to build a program after Martin took the BB team to the Final Four - total Athletic Dept failure on that one.
I trust nobody who hasn’t earned it. Beamer owes us. It’s not the other way around.
Agreed, if money is an issue. That is just speculation on my part right now.
I will say that this hire will guarantee an off-season and beyond of arguing as some will not be happy, and others will rush to defend.
It would have been nice to have a guy we could at least point to something to be excited about. Dare I even say it would have been nice to have a hire that would have excited the fanbase?
Beamer had exceeded expectations both years he has been here with what a majority of posters on here classify as one of the worst oc’s in college football history, one year with a revolving door of unqualified qb’s! Why can’t we wait and see who is officially hired for the position and get behind coach Beamers decision and quit bitching about every little thing! I think he has earned a little respect in the decisions he has made and has to make!
I think nice to have is an understatement. Its critical that we maintain momentum and excitement to take full advantage of this opportunity!
Agreed. But it just begs the question of what he could do with a strong OC.
And also, who hired that "one of the worst oc's in the history of college football" in the first place?
How does anyone know that he won’t be a strong OC here?
True. No one knows he will or won't be strong.
But of we're going to speculate on it, and we are, then all we have is history to go on.
Would you hire a surgeon with that kind of history for your next operation?
Since it’s not my life on the line, it’s not really a fair comparison. It would be more along the lines of if I was running my own say Realestate business, and do I feel like he had a problem selling homes in Beverly Hills (nfl) because of the limitations around him, but given the right tools in Palm Springs (cfb) do I think he’s the best fit for my company
You don’t have a history on him in cfb under CSB. Beginning to sound like it’s coming though. I’m not saying I think he’s the right choice, only that if he’s the guy, then Shane believes he’s someone he can use to help him win. Let’s see
What the hell??? NC state gets Syracuse OC, Kentucky gets OC back from the Rams etc., and we get TE coach from Arky who was flop in NFL? Arky wouldn’t want him as their OC dammit why do we? The fans don’t want him at all - I can’t believe this!!!
This is an absurd hire that is being tepidly supported by our most hardcore sunshine pumpers. That’s all you need to know.
This reminds me of the FF run. Shane caught lightning in a bottle for 2 games and now is totally undermining momentum and excitement. Posters on TOS have stated he is arrogant and spoiled. I dunno, but it’s becoming increasingly likely that this opinion may be correct.
Or is it being opposed by the temper tantrum chicken littles who believe the sky is falling if they don’t get their way? For now, I’m going to trust that Shane knows what he’s doing and you’ll quit whining eventually. Things are good with the program right now. Let the man do his thang
This is an absurd hire that is being tepidly supported by our most hardcore sunshine pumpers. That’s all you need to know.
This reminds me of the FF run. Shane caught lightning in a bottle for 2 games and now is totally undermining momentum and excitement. Posters on TOS have stated he is arrogant and spoiled. I dunno, but it’s becoming increasingly likely that this opinion may be correct.
The shi++iness of this hire is incalculable. Absolutely inexcusable. The certainty of the impending failure of this hire is virtually 100%. Good luck raising NIL bc I’ve never seen the fanbase this unified and upset. Even when Muschamp was hired.
Beamer. and as I said he has exceeded expectations as a first time head coach with the hires that he has made, you have to trust him guys! I believe he probably realizes that we are expecting a better offense with this new oc, it could be his job on the line, I don't thinking he's hiring this guy thinking he will fail! The other thing about Beamer that I love is all the places he's been and coaches he's worked under, he has some impressive connections that he surely is getting recommendations from, you have to think he has vetted the new oc thouroughly!
Absolutely pathetic. Another guinea pig hire. Oh but Lloyd was staying because he liked Loggains. It's all BS and this was a loser hire. Can't believe we haven't learned our damn lesson yet.
So the sky is falling
Okay, I'll try a more tempered approach.
Does anything about this hire give you confidence OTHER than that Shane hired him?
I'll go first. He's got several years of NFL experience. Although his results were very bad, he did get hired again a few times in the nfl.
Ok my turn. From what I’ve heard, many of the players are excited about him. He ran a pro style offense in the league so there shouldn’t be much of a learning curve for returning players. He’s supposedly a very good recruiter. There’s plenty of examples of great coaches who struggled/failed in the nfl only to have success in college. Liam Coen most recently
He has the, hard to measure, "good recruiter" tag at college level.
The last two games were obviously encouraging. However, no one is going to remember that if we struggle again offensively in 2023.
Beamer's future is heavily tied to this pick and I'm certain he knows that. IMO, we just have to trust our head coach on this one and see how it plays out.
Beamer's future is heavily tied to this pick and I'm certain he knows that. IMO, we just have to trust our head coach on this one and see how it plays out.
Agree, and I find it hard to believe this is "best available OC" to trust with your future if numerous coaches have inquired about the position.
If this is the hire, it's disheartening.
Loggains has been a certified failure as OC at multiple stops in the NFL. I believe he had been labeled as the worst OC and play-caller in the NFL. As far as I'm concerned, either you can coordinate an offense or defense or, you can't, regardless of level.
The only positive that Chris Clark mentions in Loggains NFL experience is one year, as QB coach, Jay Cutler had a record-breaking season. That begs the question: what about the other years Loggains was QB coach? One year can be pure luck.
The only other positive about Loggains, mentioned by Chris Clark, is that he supposedly is a good recruiter. Well, maybe I'm alone, but I've always looked at a Coordinator's main job to be to put together an effective, producing offensive, defensive or special teams unit on the field on game day. We have multiple assistant coaches and support staff to get the job done in recruiting. If a Coordinator can also recruit well, that's a bonus, to me.
I said this earlier this week and I will repeat it here: I speculate that Beamer went heavily after Briles as his top choice. Briles used us to get a huge pay raise out of Arkansas, turned us down and then sold Beamer on taking Loggains as a consolation. In the business world, quite often (it's not unheard of), an employer will give a flowery recommendation on an employee he'd like to see leave. He makes the recommendation in such a spinning way so as not to come off later as having lied. If you don't think that happens in the business world, the employment world, you are being naive. I've a hunch that Beamer got bamboozled.
I don't for one minute believe we were not willing to pay top dollar for an experienced, successful, proven coordinator. I would have gladly taken such a coordinator from a lower mid-major program, even though other P5 programs hired such coordinators from another P5 program We were paying Satterfield $900,000/year. There are Head Coaches at the mid-major level who don't get paid nearly that much.
Don't misunderstand: if it is Loggains, I will support him next season. But, the leash will be short.
Loggains has been a certified failure as OC at multiple stops in the NFL. I believe he had been labeled as the worst OC and play-caller in the NFL. As far as I'm concerned, either you can coordinate an offense or defense or, you can't, regardless of level.
The only positive that Chris Clark mentions in Loggains NFL experience is one year, as QB coach, Jay Cutler had a record-breaking season. That begs the question: what about the other years Loggains was QB coach? One year can be pure luck.
The only other positive about Loggains, mentioned by Chris Clark, is that he supposedly is a good recruiter. Well, maybe I'm alone, but I've always looked at a Coordinator's main job to be to put together an effective, producing offensive, defensive or special teams unit on the field on game day. We have multiple assistant coaches and support staff to get the job done in recruiting. If a Coordinator can also recruit well, that's a bonus, to me.
I said this earlier this week and I will repeat it here: I speculate that Beamer went heavily after Briles as his top choice. Briles used us to get a huge pay raise out of Arkansas, turned us down and then sold Beamer on taking Loggains as a consolation. In the business world, quite often (it's not unheard of), an employer will give a flowery recommendation on an employee he'd like to see leave. He makes the recommendation in such a spinning way so as not to come off later as having lied. If you don't think that happens in the business world, the employment world, you are being naive. I've a hunch that Beamer got bamboozled.
I don't for one minute believe we were not willing to pay top dollar for an experienced, successful, proven coordinator. I would have gladly taken such a coordinator from a lower mid-major program, even though other P5 programs hired such coordinators from another P5 program We were paying Satterfield $900,000/year. There are Head Coaches at the mid-major level who don't get paid nearly that much.
Don't misunderstand: if it is Loggains, I will support him next season. But, the leash will be short.
If I were Beamer I'd be getting out of dodge if this is all the money they would be willing to spend for a trash hire.