I think you are giving croom credit for guys signed after him and credit for guys who developed after him under Dan but blaming Leach for players regressing after he was dead. Pretty sure Mullen signed Chris white and McPhee out of juco. Maybe KJ as well, memory shaky at best on that one. Leach didn’t leave the cupboard bare. Players severely regressed in the last 12 months. Can’t blame Leach for that.
Yep most of those players were actually signed by Mullen. And kinda just lucky, as that was one of the best classes is MS history.
A new Mike leach is exactly what we need and should hope for. A simple system that average players can execute at a high level is what Leach ran, not a gimmick. The air raid did not try to deceive or gimmick you, it tried to out execute you. Leach had very few trick plays in his offense that I ever saw. I can’t recall any. He ran the same plays over and over again and out executed teams when he won. The offensive line that he left was a good unit last year. They sucked this year in a “gimmicky” offense. Barbary’s offense could “never be fully installed”(his words) because he was constantly trying to “fit a system” to the players we had. We schemed plays and “fitted a system” weekly. The result was that we never repped our newly “fitted” plays for that particular week enough to be able to identify and pick up who to block on the OL or to keep from running into each other at receiver.
Yea well read the board, most of the douches who hated Leach and never gave him a fair shot, cheered on the dismantling of his program under Arnett, Peterson, friend want to roast him in effigy over our current predicament, Lol
Because the dumbshlt faction of our fanbase is blaming him, that’s why
I was thinking bout that earlier. If Selmon/Lebby tries to appease the good ol boys they are freaking doomed. Some of the hires makes me think that is a 50/50 proposition.
You are good with a system/gimmick offense, but you trash a QB that flousihed in a system/gimmick offense and dismiss him as successful only because of the system/gimmick offense.
I mean in hindsight that was probably a better idea but spurrier hasn’t really proven much of anything
Miller sure has, how could it had been any worse, really what you are doing is excusing
Miller ranks tops in his conference in yards and ppg playing similar competition, he would have coached circles around the trash we had coaching us this year.
Now do Bar B Q in 2022 at Appalachian state against similar competition.
Croom at minimum committee everyone I listed. Thats on the World Wide Web. He left us in much better shape. I can’t believe anyone isn’t enraged at this roster.
But I was told the good old boys were a figment of our imagination from the past that should move on from that way of ancient thinking, they had no place in the modern MSU world.
It's almost like some of us have been telling yall-
I hope Lebby can wreck our program like Leach and get us back to 9 wins. We don’t deserve nice things
Bull 17ing ****
Croom gets credit for guys that signed 2.5 months after he was fired and you’re blaming leach for our roster 12 months after his death? Leach left I think 19 returning starters (3 starters went pro?) that had just won 9 games as juniors and y’all are trying to say the man left us nothing. Y’all are licking the back of your naval.
Leach won with other guys players. He finished 2 games over .500 here. Left nothing here for the next coach. And HE never won 9 games here.
Not at all. Our coaches literally had their hands tied by Leach's recruiting czars. We pissed off a lot of folks with that crap and burnt recruiting bridges. Lebby now has to correct a lot of stuff and rebuild.
Of course Croom gets credit for committing those guys to state. And leach returned a ton of starters this year he didn’t recruit. We started at least 5 guys on defense- our best players- that were on the 2018 Outback Bowl Team. 3 of 5 OL starters weren’t Leachs. Woody was t Leachs guys.
Go look at all the 5+ year players. Leach didn't recruit all those guys and several committed before he even arrived. Now go look at what we don't have next year. It's a massive recruiting failure. We got a lot of fans that like Leach because he's Leach. That's cool and fine if that's your thing. But he wasn't getting us a lot of SEC football players and just as many people didn't like him because he was Leach. He was fairly polarizing.
Some fail to understand that Barbay was basically demoted at App State mid year. His playing calling duties were taken away from him and the App state HC called plays remainder of the year. Also that App State team went 6-6.
I don't blame Arnett for Barbay. Arnett had no connections and we went after Briles hard. Arnett is a better coach than HC but he was in a tough spot. He wasn't ready for it all. Still, he's a good guy and coach.
Funny bc I can’t find that anywhere but here is an article talking about how they got too conservative in the second half of their season.
Nah man. This people are right. They knew exactly who to hire and when.
“I don’t think” “you” “understand” what “happens” when the “coach” “leaves” after “installing a gimmick offense”. It “does” more “harm” than “good” and leads to “perpetual” “rebuilds”.
I didn't see this. I saw a dumb fanbase that couldn't see what was being built, and cried about running the ball. I saw a fanbase that didn't show up to the games (17 COVID, winning programs show up). I saw a fanbase that bltched constantly about offense KNOWING we didn't fully have the correct players in here. I see a bunch of idiots who asked the man idiotic questions that was funny in like 2007, and never truly appreciated him. I mean look at this thread, it's so very obvious which posters possess the good ole boy mentality. It's a sizable amount of people, and encompasses a lot of them that have the big money.
Are you sure your views aren't clouded by a few dozen active MB/FB/Twitter posters? Most of my friends and family are State grads, I go to all the games, talk to a bunch of people, never met a MSU fan in person that didn't love Mike.
Good post. It’s amazingly shocking how many fans, administrators, alumni don’t understand this.
Lane Kiffin doesn’t need a gimmick offense and he’s been a billion times more successful than I ever would have expected him to be. From what I’ve seen, he takes what he has and schemes it out, like Mullen used to do. And, no, it never works out against Bama or UGA. Neither will any hardcoded, inflexible offense we have ever run like Schlomo or Leach.
Spread the field? With what? Players? What kind of players? Ole Miss type players? Who spends more money on players, wether it be HS recruits, transfer portals, or current rostered players, us or them? So why do you want to scheme and do the same thing they do but without the same type of players across the board? Dumb.
Actually, Kiffin does have an offensive system. He doesn't 'adapt', that's why he couldn't use John Rhys Plumlee. Mullen didn't adapt, he needed a QB run threat. Tyson Lee, Tyler Russell, remember those guys? Good players but playing out of scheme. That said, don't start nitpicking words, I understand everyone adapts to a certain extent, but big picture, you know I am correct. Do I think Kiffin and Mullen are full on offensive system coaches, probably not, somewhere in the middle. But they absolutely had specific offenses that they ran.
The Air Raid and triple option are the opposite of poor ole moo u concepts. Complete opposite. Those are thinking outside the box and going against the grain.
You’re right. We should literally wait for somebody to invent that next “new scheme” that catches normal teams off guard like Leach did 30 years ago. And hope we can get a good 5 years out of it. Very sustainable.
