Harbaugh the innocent victim?

[PrestonyteParrot]

''Today, I do not apologize. I did not participate, was not aware nor complicit in those said allegations. ''
It's his program and they all work for him. As HC it's his responsibility to be aware of and take responsibility for everything in the program.

Harbaugh on NCAA sanctions: Want 'what's best' for athletes

Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh redirected a question Thursday about the NCAA sanctions levied against him, saying he wants "what's best" for student-athletes.

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Jim Harbaugh denies any wrongdoing amid Michigan allegations

After being one of seven members from Michigan accused of violating rules in a draft of the NCAA's notice of allegations obtained by ESPN on Monday, Los Angeles coach Jim Harbaugh denied any wrongdoing, adding that "it's back to work" with the Chargers.

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[KingWard]

That strains credulity, especially considering how long he was there.

 

[The Reel Ess]

NM

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's plausible he didn't know or was willingly ignorant. Football programs are so big now that a coach may not reasonably be aware of the actions of every single person on the staff. Is he ultimately responsible as the boss? Yeah.

It would not surprise if me many coaches take the willingly ignorant route and let it be known that they simply don't know want to know how certain things get done.

 

[hillna2]

Yeah, this feels like the same response we got from Joe Paterno, and he was hung out to dry. Obviously this isn't as big as that, but it feels like the precedent is set for failure to monitor his program...

 

[18IsTheMan]

I do agree with Colin Cowherd's take on this:

"Chargers defensive coordinator Jesse Minter and the DB coach Steve Clinkscale came to the Chargers from Michigan. They're accused — this reads like a Saturday Night Live comedy skit — they're accused of violations at Michigan. Here's one of them. Clinkscale is accused of helping a recruit get verified on Instagram. That same recruit you could pay a million dollars a year to play out of high school. But this is one of the big ones, that the assistant coach got one of his players verified on Instagram. I mean, is this a witch hunt or not? Another one is allegedly sending text messages to high school sophomores. You mean the same ones Ohio State or Michigan or Clemson or Georgia could pay $600,000 to legally. I mean, you got to be kidding me on this stuff. So you can pay a high school player half a million dollars cash. You can wear shirts, 'We Pay Players', park Lambos in front of the recruiting facility. But you can't verify an IG account or send a text?"

The NCAA is pretty silly.

 

[The Reel Ess]

I do agree with Colin Cowherd's take on this:

"Chargers defensive coordinator Jesse Minter and the DB coach Steve Clinkscale came to the Chargers from Michigan. They're accused — this reads like a Saturday Night Live comedy skit — they're accused of violations at Michigan. Here's one of them. Clinkscale is accused of helping a recruit get verified on Instagram. That same recruit you could pay a million dollars a year to play out of high school. But this is one of the big ones, that the assistant coach got one of his players verified on Instagram. I mean, is this a witch hunt or not? Another one is allegedly sending text messages to high school sophomores. You mean the same ones Ohio State or Michigan or Clemson or Georgia could pay $600,000 to legally. I mean, you got to be kidding me on this stuff. So you can pay a high school player half a million dollars cash. You can wear shirts, 'We Pay Players', park Lambos in front of the recruiting facility. But you can't verify an IG account or send a text?"

The NCAA is pretty silly.

And one of the violations is writing a $100 check to a charity golf tournament that a recruit's dad organized. The biggest violation is Harbaugh not complying with a request.

 

[18IsTheMan]

And one of the violations is writing a $100 check to a charity golf tournament that a recruit's dad organized. The biggest violation is Harbaugh not complying with a request.

Yeah, basically pissed that he told them to screw off when they asked to look at his cell phone.

 

[The Reel Ess]

Yeah, basically pissed that he told them to screw off when they asked to look at his cell phone.

He knew he was on the way to the NFL and just said "Screw it!"

 

[KingWard]

It's plausible he didn't know or was willingly ignorant. Football programs are so big now that a coach may not reasonably be aware of the actions of every single person on the staff. Is he ultimately responsible as the boss? Yeah.

It would not surprise if me many coaches take the willingly ignorant route and let it be known that they simply don't know want to know how certain things get done.

Right, he didn't know about that espionage his assistant was carrying out, either.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I think a lot of coaches want plausible deniabilty. Like Kirby Smart.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Right, he didn't know about that espionage his assistant was carrying out, either.

I like evidence and have never been a fan of the "well, he had to know" argument.

 

[KingWard]

I like evidence and have never been a fan of the "well, he had to know" argument.

I love jury duty. It's where I benefit society the most.

 

[18IsTheMan]

And the NCAA has handed down a "punishment" for Harbaugh in the form of a 4-year show cause lol

I hardly think he'll be leaving his $16 million/year job with the Chargers to go back to college in the next 4 years.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

He knew he was on the way to the NFL and just said "Screw it!"

True, cashed in his chips and ran.
And like many coaches who broke the rules and got caught, he waved the middle finger and left UM to suffer the consequences of his actions, or lack thereof.

 

[gamecox4982]

Ray would have turned over everyone’s phone after excepting four years of probation.

 

[KingWard]

And the NCAA has handed down a "punishment" for Harbaugh in the form of a 4-year show cause lol

I hardly think he'll be leaving his $16 million/year job with the Chargers to go back to college in the next 4 years.

Meaningless.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Meaningless.

Correct. Harbaugh is set.
He used Michigan and left them holding the bag.
Many college coaches have done the same thing when collared but haven't profited quite as well as Harbaugh.

 

[Debo77]

it's 1 of 2 things and both would be bad....either 1) he's lying about knowing or 2) he was so incompetent at his job that this happened without his knowledge...and since he was supposed to be all this and that I think I lose more respect for him if he didn't know

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Harbaugh is showing what a true dirtbag he is with the laughing and smirking when asked to own up and take some responsibility regarding the program where he was HC. A wealthy dirtbag but still a dirtbag.

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- Los Angeles Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh deflected a question Thursday about the NCAA's most recent sanctions levied against him, which included a four-year show-cause order and in effect banned him from college athletics until August 2028.

"I'm stopping the engagement there with commenting," Harbaugh said. "But my only hope is that one day college athletics will be about what's best for young men and young women who participate in it. That's really all I've got to say about it."

Harbaugh on NCAA sanctions: Want 'what's best' for athletes

Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh redirected a question Thursday about the NCAA sanctions levied against him, saying he wants "what's best" for student-athletes.

www.espn.com

Ex-Michigan staffer told NCAA: Culture under Harbaugh was to ‘go to the line and cross it’

The unnamed former staffer abruptly resigned from his role at Michigan in April 2021

www.mlive.com

 

[KingWard]

Harbaugh is showing what a true dirtbag he is with the laughing and smirking when asked to own up and take some responsibility regarding the program where he was HC. A wealthy dirtbag but still a dirtbag.

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- Los Angeles Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh deflected a question Thursday about the NCAA's most recent sanctions levied against him, which included a four-year show-cause order and in effect banned him from college athletics until August 2028.

"I'm stopping the engagement there with commenting," Harbaugh said. "But my only hope is that one day college athletics will be about what's best for young men and young women who participate in it. That's really all I've got to say about it."

Harbaugh on NCAA sanctions: Want 'what's best' for athletes

Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh redirected a question Thursday about the NCAA sanctions levied against him, saying he wants "what's best" for student-athletes.

www.espn.com

Ex-Michigan staffer told NCAA: Culture under Harbaugh was to ‘go to the line and cross it’

The unnamed former staffer abruptly resigned from his role at Michigan in April 2021

www.mlive.com

Beat me to it.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Harbaugh is showing what a true dirtbag he is with the laughing and smirking when asked to own up and take some responsibility regarding the program where he was HC.

Screwed his alma mater. That is dirtbag.

 

[will110]

It's plausible he didn't know or was willingly ignorant. Football programs are so big now that a coach may not reasonably be aware of the actions of every single person on the staff. Is he ultimately responsible as the boss? Yeah.

It would not surprise if me many coaches take the willingly ignorant route and let it be known that they simply don't know want to know how certain things get done.

I doubt Harbaugh himself orchestrated the spying/videoing opponents' games. As the head coach, there's just too much going on for him to be involved in the minutiae of that type of action. But there's no way a rogue staffer did this on his own. I saw yesterday that he was making $55,000/year. That kind of salary doesn't enable someone to buy the seats he was buying. This had to be an institutional choice to incorporate spying into the weekly gameplan. Harbaugh either knew about it or chose to not know about it. Either way, he's responsible.

 

[Lurker123]

I doubt Harbaugh himself orchestrated the spying/videoing opponents' games. As the head coach, there's just too much going on for him to be involved in the minutiae of that type of action. But there's no way a rogue staffer did this on his own. I saw yesterday that he was making $55,000/year. That kind of salary doesn't enable someone to buy the seats he was buying. This had to be an institutional choice to incorporate spying into the weekly gameplan. Harbaugh either knew about it or chose to not know about it. Either way, he's responsible.

I vote "chose not to know".

 

[gamecock stock]

Did not something similar happen to Pete Carroll? The college he coached at was hit with penalties while Carroll was in the NFL.

On another subject: there were rumors that we were doing what Michigan did when we beat Tennessee and Clemson in 2022.

 

[Gamecock Vet]

That strains credulity, especially considering how long he was there.

What is credulity?

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

What is credulity?

On my phone if you highlight the word a define button appears. This is what I got:

credulity
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noun
a tendency to be too ready to believe that something is real or true.
"moneylenders prey upon their credulity and inexperience"

 

[KingWard]

What is credulity?

The capacity for believing things, especially readily.

 

[Cocky Jeff]

Ray would have turned over everyone’s phone after excepting four years of probation.

Accepting.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Dirtbag and a coward!

Jim Harbaugh opts out as Michigan's honorary captain for opener

Michigan coach Sherrone Moore said former coach Jim Harbaugh will no longer serve as honorary captain for the season opener, choosing to focus on his first season as Chargers coach.

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