He had 4.3 ypc and about two unblocked defenders every snap, which is why he only had 7 rushes before going down in the first quarter. I don't know what more you could expect from a RB going against penetration every snap with no passing game to support him.
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His deficiencies were manifest comprehensively. I hate he got injured but it cast him as our 21st Century Benny Galloway.
Don't know why you think that's more important than production. Look at his yards per rush outside of one good game against Tennessee, where we went away from the zone scheme that had Lloyd cooking to a gap scheme based entirely on how bad Bell reads zone blocking. Compare his yards per reception to every other receiver or TE. I know you're not gonna go to bat for his blocking. And on top of all of that, you gotta remember that this was all in plays designed for him, we have up on the downfield passes made to go for him because he was never in the right place. He's under his third coaching staff and that's the same complaints on him at FSU, where he's behind a lot of guys and not all of them were 4-stars with three years of development going in. Maybe it's a coaching issue, but that raises the question as to why less athletic TEs with the same coaches look consistently better than him at everything but moving with the ball in his hands.
It's a testament to how little we have to do that we are sniping at each other over the relative value of two underachievers that left us.
. All of our offensive maladroitness was on the coaches anyway. You know it and I know it.What are talking about? He had more per carry than Lattimore had any season. He was on track for a thousand season. he averaged 5 yards against both TAMU and Kentucky, both of which we don't beat without him. You think throwing out SAT words like Michael Eric Dyson hides the fact you have nothing to support what you say?
Lloyd wasn't an underachiever and the ******** way he left is doesn't change that. He just didn't stay healthy.It's a testament to how little we have to do that we are sniping at each other over the relative value of two underachievers that left us.
I occasionally don't. I just enjoy making some people work. It entertains me. Today was your day. That I would compare this man with Calvin Johnson or Kellen Winslow would have clued in a more observant person.
. This is entertainment, partner.I didn't see Calvin Johnson and I'm 31, Winslow was before my time.I occasionally don't. I just enjoy making some people work. It entertains me. Today was your day. That I would compare this man with Calvin Johnson or Kellen Winslow would have clued in a more observant person.
Wondrous, I assure you. Both in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Have a nice night.
Cheers. Sorry I wasn't as excellent as I could've been in tone and tenor. I don't handle it well when I feel someone is being dismissive out of hand and not being fair to the points I try to support. A personal failing my wife attributes to talking over people's heads when I was younger and consequently feeling misunderstood.
During the last pre-season and during the season, our PR people and our coaches made Bell out to be a the next Heisman candidate. It was really over the top in my opinion for a guy who had never really done much. Our coaches would praise Bell and Bell would underperform. This went on and on during the season. Then the Bell family started getting involved and started giving us bad press because we started using Bell less and less.
At some point, we ran out of running backs due to injuries. Beamer appeared to become involved and the next thing we know, Bell is the starting RB. Bell never looked real good as a running back and averaged only 3.6 YPG. But he occasionally had some nice runs and those nice runs were shown over and over ad nauseum as if he did those plays all the time. This perpetuated the belief that Bell was some kind of offensive juggernaut.
To this day, I never saw a reason why Bell was given the star status like he was. It was a myth perpetuated by the coaches and the press. This belief that Bell is a superstar extended to the portal where the rating folks made him out to be one of the top offensive players in the portal. Maybe our OC and other coaches seriously steered us into a cave and ruined Bell or Bell is an average player with serious flaws. We will find out this year.
At some point, we ran out of running backs due to injuries. Beamer appeared to become involved and the next thing we know, Bell is the starting RB. Bell never looked real good as a running back and averaged only 3.6 YPG. But he occasionally had some nice runs and those nice runs were shown over and over ad nauseum as if he did those plays all the time. This perpetuated the belief that Bell was some kind of offensive juggernaut.
To this day, I never saw a reason why Bell was given the star status like he was. It was a myth perpetuated by the coaches and the press. This belief that Bell is a superstar extended to the portal where the rating folks made him out to be one of the top offensive players in the portal. Maybe our OC and other coaches seriously steered us into a cave and ruined Bell or Bell is an average player with serious flaws. We will find out this year.
Beamer was involved in the offensive game plan every week the last two years. Every game he talked about what he thought the gameplan should include. The most he meddled and pulled rank was cutting down on the personnel packages and that happened after the Florida game, where Bell had about 12 carries. He played for injury and injury alone.
When I heard Bell being called a “bigger, stronger Deebo” I knew it was trouble. There is no other Deebo!
Out of curiosity, I went on the Florida State site this evening and read some of the press on Bell. Sure enough, they have taken the material written by our press and coaches and run with it. So the legend of Jaheim Bell continues. In particular, I have read the "Swiss Army Knife" story so much, I am ready to barf each time I read it now. But I have read that FL St. has some other pretty good tight ends. One is from a Division school but seems to be doing pretty well. I believe the others were on the team before. So they are saying they have the elite tight end group in the country.
I confess, I have never seen Bell from the sidelines but I have watched every play he has made on TV or from the stands. I don't wish him any ill will but I just don't get the hysteria over him at least to this point. No doubt he has god given talent like few others but what I question is his self discipline to reach elite status. Maybe the Fl St coaches can motivate him to reach that elite level. B
BTW, sorry for helping hijack the Hardesty thread and changing the subject!
I confess, I have never seen Bell from the sidelines but I have watched every play he has made on TV or from the stands. I don't wish him any ill will but I just don't get the hysteria over him at least to this point. No doubt he has god given talent like few others but what I question is his self discipline to reach elite status. Maybe the Fl St coaches can motivate him to reach that elite level. B
BTW, sorry for helping hijack the Hardesty thread and changing the subject!
It came from those big plays in the Dukes Mayo game. It really was a bright spot after getting clobbered by CU.
That's true. People just forgot that was one of the worst defenses in the country. That D also made people think DK should have been a legit option at QB.
And now we are going to trot him out as an SEC running back. We're hurting.
Don't apologize for "thread creep". It happens, usually because something in a post jumps out at you that is aside from the point that prompted the thread. Although I remark on it when I see it, I know I often fall into it myself. I did in this thread, although I did it in fun.
Like I said, we better have plenty of ice for Rattler's arm....we're going to be slinging it all over the park.
Exhibit A of the fallacy of hanging one's hat on ypc.
The staff did quite well I thought. Moving chains is eventful enough for me. Bell in the backfield in the gator = W.
Guy, what?! I didn't say he was better than Lattimore, but he was on pace for a 1000 yard season pre-injury and we would've lost two more SEC games without him. I said a lot about Lloyd and you picking a shallow retort to the easiest one to pick doesn't make you insightful.
He had enough yards to predictively move the chains in 3 runs for 2 games last season. He sure didn't matter against Florida. He had 3.2 ypc against Vandy.
3.2 ypc against Vandy with more than enough chances. Lots had about 1.5 yards per carry now when they were both healthy, and any advanced metric on predictive outcomes and efficiency would also show Lloyd was better.
Lloyd had 1.5 ypc more when both were healthy. Slide-typing on phone failed. If everyone. We weren't remotely hurting against Vandy, no one got penetration, we scored every possession of the first half. Rattler was sharp. But Bell looked like he was running with his eyes closed. He missed holes and dove straight towards the guards and center every play whether or not their was room. If you can't read the hole, you're not a RB.
That was my biggest complain with him. He probably could have been a decent option back there. But he clearly wasn't capable. If I'm going to lay anything at the coaches' feet, it's going to be that they couldn't identify that in spring/fall camp. Who knows how that Ark game could have gone if Lloyd was given a chance to get lathered up. We wasted carries with Bell.
Dont forget andy boyd and his 11 years of eligibility
When did we move the chains? Our 3rd down conv rate was terrible. We did well at the end of the year but that was all Ratt, WRs, and Adkins. I think a healthy Juice/Adkins in that game = W. Those two getting hurt killed us. We would have been just fine without Bell.
Good counter point, glad you contributed such thoughtful discussion. Now go re-watch the vandy game and tell me if I'm wrong about him missing the holes when lined up as a RB.
Could we use him…sure. But he is not a game changer. Those two TDs against a very bad UNC defense created an instant myth. He did a nice job at RB for little experience.
We got better at TE with Knox. I miss Adkins and Kenion more than Bell. Stogner was a nice blocker. It ends there.
Oh, sorry. It didn't seem that way. It looked like a sarcastic reaction shot to what I said.
