Hire Will Coggin...

[Faustdog]

We're going gauge some guys (Pollard, Sarloos, Heefner) and they will either politely say no or use us for raises. It's just really hard to hire a sitting head coach right now.

Then we'll move on to Mingione. There have been rumors that a group of boosters have been pushing for him since last week. That would be fine, but that's it. Fine. He seems pretty ordinary, plus it seems like he's always in some bush league drama. Didn't he trip a guy while coaching third base when we were playing Florida years ago?

Burroughs. Ok I guess. Meh.

Maybe we could get Canham, but I'm not sure if he's ever even traveled south of the Mason Dixon line. Godwin has sort of lost his luster. Seems like a Freezus style head case on the Twitters.

There are rumors of pro/minor league coaches. Too much unknown there.

I think Coggin is the next big thing. He's a lights out recruiter who our current staff hates because he beats them. He's a dog. He could be our coach for the next 20 years. Due diligence is key here since he did spend a little time out of baseball and we don't want to end up in a Cannizaro situation, although that actually worked out pretty well.

Next up is Elander. Similar to Coggin.

I don't want to hire a mediocre to slightly above average coach because we're hung up on prior head experience.

 

[aTotal360]

The good news...we can afford him.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

I would put Elander ahead of Coggin in the pecking order. Younger than Will but he’s worked for Schlossnagle, Van Horn, and Vitello. I mean that’s pretty dang strong.

Maybe there is a fear that Elander just rides the coat tails of great head coaches, but that’s gonna be a fear with most any good assistant. Also good assistants don’t automatically translate to good head coaches, can definitely be a crap shoot.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

I always heard you want a negative Coggins report

 

[17itdawg]

I would put Elander ahead of Coggin in the pecking order. Younger than Will but he’s worked for Schlossnagle, Van Horn, and Vitello. I mean that’s pretty dang strong.

Maybe there is a fear that Elander just rides the coat tails of great head coaches, but that’s gonna be a fear with most any good assistant. Also good assistants don’t automatically translate to good head coaches, can definitely be a crap shoot.

No one will deny the pedigree is there for Elander. But, I think there's something to be said for what Coggin recruited, contributed, and helped build into that Kentucky CWS team last year. Yes, Coggin had left by that point, but most of those guys were his recruits. He has worked under Cohen, Mingione, and now Wes Johnson. That's not a bad pedigree there either.

I agree that either will be a crap shoot. Hell, the same could be said for nearly all sitting head coach too.

 

[StateCollege]

We're going gauge some guys (Pollard, Sarloos, Heefner) and they will either politely say no or use us for raises. It's just really hard to hire a sitting head coach right now.

I actually don't think that is the case. Some of the national guys have eluded to the opposite.

With the upcoming changes around revenue share, a lot of programs are expected to divest in baseball. It will have the most dramatic effects on smaller schools, but will also affect a lot of major teams too. It will vary program to program, but if the coaches at Clemson, UNC, Oregon State etc see that their program is about to fall down the pecking order to shift more money into football, they could be looking to make a move.

 

[HuntDawg]

Hard no to coggins.

We'll be hire to much better.

If he wants a big job he needs to go to a smaller school and earn it. The time out of baseball is alarming.. there's more bad than good there.. based on stuff i've heard you've got a better shot at Cann coming back that Coggins ever stepping foot back on campus

 

[pseudonym]

I think this is the most likely hire.

It makes me wonder what the total cost of this change will be:

• Lemonis buyout
• assistant buyouts
• new coach contract
• new assistant contracts

It could be a pretty hefty price tag just to hire a former assistant.

 

[leeinator]

We're going gauge some guys (Pollard, Sarloos, Heefner) and they will either politely say no or use us for raises. It's just really hard to hire a sitting head coach right now.

Then we'll move on to Mingione. There have been rumors that a group of boosters have been pushing for him since last week. That would be fine, but that's it. Fine. He seems pretty ordinary, plus it seems like he's always in some bush league drama. Didn't he trip a guy while coaching third base when we were playing Florida years ago?

Burroughs. Ok I guess. Meh.

Maybe we could get Canham, but I'm not sure if he's ever even traveled south of the Mason Dixon line. Godwin has sort of lost his luster. Seems like a Freezus style head case on the Twitters.

There are rumors of pro/minor league coaches. Too much unknown there.

I think Coggin is the next big thing. He's a lights out recruiter who our current staff hates because he beats them. He's a dog. He could be our coach for the next 20 years. Due diligence is key here since he did spend a little time out of baseball and we don't want to end up in a Cannizaro situation, although that actually worked out pretty well.

Next up is Elander. Similar to Coggin.

I don't want to hire a mediocre to slightly above average coach because we're hung up on prior head experience.

I'd be ok with Mingione.

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

Not that I am for hiring this Coggins guy, but I have been reading a great deal about candidates since yesterday. Everybody claims he did something horrible that is completely disqualifying. Yet no one seems to want to say what that was. So, what did he do?

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

Not that I am for hiring this Coggins guy, but I have been reading a great deal about candidates since yesterday. Everybody claims he did something horrible that is completely disqualifying. Yet no one seems to want to say what that was. So, what did he do?

All I know is Cannizaro chose to not retain him after 2017 and then Coggin didn’t coach again until 2020. I have no idea what we was up to those three years in between.

 

[campshelbydog1116]

I like Coggin, but I do think we can hire the coach at Duke and he would be safer.

 

[17itdawg]

Hard no to coggins.

We'll be hire to much better.

If he wants a big job he needs to go to a smaller school and earn it. The time out of baseball is alarming.. there's more bad than good there.. based on stuff i've heard you've got a better shot at Cann coming back that Coggins ever stepping foot back on campus

What happened while he was at State and/or out of baseball?

 

[17itdawg]

Not that I am for hiring this Coggins guy, but I have been reading a great deal about candidates since yesterday. Everybody claims he did something horrible that is completely disqualifying. Yet no one seems to want to say what that was. So, what did he do?

Same. I want to know what he did. Until it comes out he seems like a very viable candidate.

 

[Corndawg8512]

Many fans are calling for Nick Mingione, but take a look at the bios of coaches Will Coggin and Nick Ammirati. These two have been instrumental in driving the success of Mingione’s most notable seasons at Kentucky. They are currently doing the same at UGA. Coggin and Ammirati would form an excellent coaching tandem, bringing both proven results and both have ties to our program. I know people want a sitting head coach, but sometimes you have to hire the assistants because they will be the ones to juice up the program.

 

[MStateU]

Then we'll move on to Mingione. There have been rumors that a group of boosters have been pushing for him since last week. That would be fine, but that's it. Fine. He seems pretty ordinary, plus it seems like he's always in some bush league drama. Didn't he trip a guy while coaching third base when we were playing Florida years ago?

Man that's a different style of baseball. I'm jot sure those people truly understand what they are asking for or if they will be happy long term. Small ball, bunting, stealing. If you are winning, fine. If you start losing and are bunting and running into outs it can be very frustrating.

Current stats:

MSU
BA - 4th in conf. @ .300
HR - 74

UK
BA - 13th in conf. @ .274
HR - 40



Maybe it will be fine, but it feels more like an old time MSU hire where we always just circle back to someone because they have been here before. Also, they have a losing league record this year and are 25-16 overall. We are 25-19 and just fired our coach.

I'm fine with giving Coggin a shot and hopefully he brings Ammo back too. He is a very abrasive guy and I just hope our old booster boomers can get past the ego and get on board. It would be a much cheaper option and there is a possibility those two are behind the rise of UK and UGA.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

You don't fire lemonis to hire an assistant. We just fired a national champion coach for not being good enough 4 years later. Not saying coggin wouldn't be great but we better be big game hunting.

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

What happened while he was at State and/or out of baseball?

Both. Not saying you, but I love the clandestine folks. Is there anyone with any direct knowledge on what happened? The cloak and dagger stuff gets old.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Hard no to coggins.

We'll be hire to much better.

If he wants a big job he needs to go to a smaller school and earn it. The time out of baseball is alarming.. there's more bad than good there.. based on stuff i've heard you've got a better shot at Cann coming back that Coggins ever stepping foot back on campus

NEVER SAY NEVER - Patrick Austin is back around MSU (officially working for the Bulldog Initiative) and we were led to believe for years that he not only would never return to MSU but also would not work in college athletics in Mississippi.

 

[Dawgbite]

I always heard you want a negative Coggins report

 

[WilCoDawg]

I'd be ok with Mingione.

Do we want to just “be ok”?

 

[HuntDawg]

NEVER SAY NEVER - Patrick Austin is back around MSU (officially working for the Bulldog Initiative) and we were led to believe for years that he not only would never return to MSU but also would not work in college athletics in Mississippi.

i didnt say never... i said Cann has a better shot at coming back than Coggins... and I believe that to be true.

 

[ETK99]

We're going gauge some guys (Pollard, Sarloos, Heefner) and they will either politely say no or use us for raises. It's just really hard to hire a sitting head coach right now.

Then we'll move on to Mingione. There have been rumors that a group of boosters have been pushing for him since last week. That would be fine, but that's it. Fine. He seems pretty ordinary, plus it seems like he's always in some bush league drama. Didn't he trip a guy while coaching third base when we were playing Florida years ago?

Burroughs. Ok I guess. Meh.

Maybe we could get Canham, but I'm not sure if he's ever even traveled south of the Mason Dixon line. Godwin has sort of lost his luster. Seems like a Freezus style head case on the Twitters.

There are rumors of pro/minor league coaches. Too much unknown there.

I think Coggin is the next big thing. He's a lights out recruiter who our current staff hates because he beats them. He's a dog. He could be our coach for the next 20 years. Due diligence is key here since he did spend a little time out of baseball and we don't want to end up in a Cannizaro situation, although that actually worked out pretty well.

Next up is Elander. Similar to Coggin.

I don't want to hire a mediocre to slightly above average coach because we're hung up on prior head experience.

Pass

 

[Maroon Eagle]

You don't fire lemonis to hire an assistant. We just fired a national champion coach for not being good enough 4 years later. Not saying coggin wouldn't be great but we better be big game hunting.

Mississippi State’s Coaching Search History in a Gif:

 

[johnson86-1]

MSU
BA - 4th in conf. @ .300
HR - 74

Still shocking to me that we can be 2nd in conference batting average and 13th in conference ERA and translate that to into 14th place. How bad do you have to be at coaching the little things to pull that feat off?

 

[Dawg84]

Hard no to coggins.

We'll be hire to much better.

If he wants a big job he needs to go to a smaller school and earn it. The time out of baseball is alarming.. there's more bad than good there.. based on stuff i've heard you've got a better shot at Cann coming back that Coggins ever stepping foot back on campus

Yeah, a lot of hard feelings and animosity over some things.

 

[Dawg84]

All I know is Cannizaro chose to not retain him after 2017 and then Coggin didn’t coach again until 2020. I have no idea what we was up to those three years in between.

He worked as a scout. Can’t remember who with.

All I know is Cannizaro chose to not retain him after 2017 and then Coggin didn’t coach again until 2020. I have no idea what we was up to those three years in between.

 

[Faustdog]

Yeah, a lot of hard feelings and animosity over some things.

I think we've all heard this. I'd like to hear specifics though. Him trying and succeeding in some cases to take our players and recruits should be considered a positive, not a negative.

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

Yeah, a lot of hard feelings and animosity over some things.

Yeah this has been the answer so far. Inquiring minds want to know. Just vaguely referencing some details is not really an answer. What did he do? Specifics please. Not trying to call you out, and plenty of people have been vague around this. I am asking for anyone that actually knows the details to lay them out.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Yeah this has been the answer so far. Inquiring minds want to know. Just vaguely referencing some details is not really an answer. What did he do? Specifics please. Not trying to call you out, and plenty of people have been vague around this. I am asking for anyone that actually knows the details to lay them out.

The Devil wants the details.

He wants accountability.

 

[dickiedawg]

Yeah this has been the answer so far. Inquiring minds want to know. Just vaguely referencing some details is not really an answer. What did he do? Specifics please. Not trying to call you out, and plenty of people have been vague around this. I am asking for anyone that actually knows the details to lay them out.

This thread is actually the first I've seen this brought up.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

I think we've all heard this. I'd like to hear specifics though. Him trying and succeeding in some cases to take our players and recruits should be considered a positive, not a negative.

You want to see money leave the program, hire him. And don't ever claim to be an elite program if he's the best you can hire either.

 

[17itdawg]

You want to see money leave the program, hire him. And don't ever claim to be an elite program if he's the best you can hire either.

Okay... So what did he do? Or didn't do? Just put it out there. Until the details are out there. People are going to keep pushing for him.

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

For those that continue to be vague on this it is ok to say you really do not know. Just lay it out, or why say anything negative about the guy?

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

For those that continue to be vague on this it is ok to say you really do not know. Just lay it out, or why say anything negative about the guy?

The Devil is in the details

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

The Devil is in the details

I am just saying. It is one thing to present evidence and facts. It is quite another to just say something vague, and then act like you know when you really do not. I am just looking for reasons why we should not hire this guy. From what I have looked at on him he seems to be young, fiery, and a bulldog of a recruiter. All things I like. Now if he is a wife beater, or a heroin addict certainly my opinion would change.

 

[Faustdog]

You want to see money leave the program, hire him. And don't ever claim to be an elite program if he's the best you can hire either.

You didn't say what he did to make these people dislike him.

And yes, those people will get over it as quickly as he wins some ballgames. And Tony Vitello was an assistant. Mike Bianco was an assistant. Tim Corbin was an assistant. Andy Canizzaro, who recruited nearly every piece of our national championship, was an assistant. Ron Polk was an assistant. Pat McMahon was an assistant.

Hiring a head coach with middling success is what got us Lemonis. Fine if you want to talk to the big names. But when they inevitably say no or use us for a raise, go get the next big thing.

We know what Mingione is. He's an OK coach with a tendency for bush league nonsense. If that's what we get, fine. I'll be there for it.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Isn't Will Coggins the guy who played Boyd Cowder on Justified?

Hire him today!!

 

[HailStout]

Still shocking to me that we can be 2nd in conference batting average and 13th in conference ERA and translate that to into 14th place. How bad do you have to be at coaching the little things to pull that feat off?

Because we seem to **** the bed in short bursts. If we were allowed to pick 8 innings out of the 9 that counted we would be hosting. At least it feels that way. I’m sure someone will correct me if I am wrong .

 

[leeinator]

Do we want to just “be ok”?

I think Mingione is solid, but maybe not in the Corbin/Vitello/Schloss stratosphere. He'd win a lot bigger than Lemon ever thought about it. The KY players have always seemed to play with a calm swagger and they play really hard for him. I like the way his players interact with him.