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Bison13 said:
Thats cheap. Less than 30 mill per year during his prime. He will get 10 years and 400 million if he waits a year or two
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The Nationals have him under contract for two more years after this one, is my understanding. I’m not sure if this non-signing means curtains for Soto’s time in DC, probably does.

I was hoping the Nats would manage to keep him in Washington. It will hurt to see him in a different uniform, like it was for Harper, but it’s a free market.
 
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crazy! i Think the NFL has it right where they can cut someone and not have to pay a bad contact forever.
 
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Is there really this much money in baseball? Where does it come from? TV ratings aren’t *that* good.
 
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Bison13 said:
Thats cheap. Less than 30 mill per year during his prime. He will get 10 years and 400 million if he waits a year or two
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Exactly. Within 5 years in that contract he'd be underpaid IF he stays healthy and continues to perform at this level. Ridiculously long contracts benefit the owners in the end. Good for him.
 
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LionJim said:
The Nationals have him under contract for two more years after this one, is my understanding. I’m not sure if this non-signing means curtains for Soto’s time in DC, probably does.

I was hoping the Nats would manage to keep him in Washington. It will hurt to see him in a different uniform, like it was for Harper, but it’s a free market.
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The Nats uniforms are different but great this evening.
 
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This is a ridiculous concept. A guy who can throw and hit a ball thinks he is worth more than $400 million dollars. And we are the suckers rationalizing the concept. Yet nurses, doctors, police, firemen, teachers, etc. work crazy hours and can barely afford to take their whole family to watch a game. When did we get this far away from practicality?
 
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LB99 said:
This is a ridiculous concept. A guy who can throw and hit a ball thinks he is worth more than $400 million dollars. And we are the suckers rationalizing the concept. Yet nurses, doctors, police, firemen, teachers, etc. work crazy hours and can barely afford to take their whole family to watch a game. When did we get this far away from practicality?
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Well, if 30,000 people were willing to buy tickets to watch nurses, doctors, and police perform, while millions more watched on TV, then the best of those professions would get paid just as much. They only get paid this much because we the people watch and pay so much to watch. You think it should just stay in the owners pockets?
 
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Soto is a big time talent, no question about that. but he might be wise not to burn the bridge with Washington. The numbers he has put up thus far in his career are very good but by comparison, Judge and Alonso both hit 50+ HRs in their first few years in MLB. Soto's top seasons are 34 and 29. He is also a relatively average defensive player, maybe slightly above average. That said, at his age, I can see why the Nats would try to lock him up long term and I can also see why any team would want to build around him. But if he is looking for more than 400M, there are only a few teams that could go that high, maybe the Yanks, Dodgers, possibly Boston and Philly? Phils gave big $ to Harper, Yanks are trying to sign Judge (for less than 400M), Dodgers have a team of all-stars, Sox have to lock up Devers. And any team that trades for him have to ask if they willing to give up their top 4-5 young players for a player they may not be able to sign. I have a feeling Soto will be harder to trade than the Nats might think and also suspect he will have trouble getting a larger offer from other teams. Also, the New York Post reported that a large portion of the 400M was to be deferred, making the offer less in current dollars. So I wonder if there may still be opportunities for the Nats and Soto to get a deal done.
 
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wbcbus said:
Well, if 30,000 people were willing to buy tickets to watch nurses, doctors, and police perform, while millions more watched on TV, then the best of those professions would get paid just as much. They only get paid this much because we the people watch and pay so much to watch. You think it should just stay in the owners pockets?
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You just restated my point. Why did we the fan/consumer drive it to this point? It’s ridiculous that grown men playing a kid’s game get paid millions more than an oncologist working on cutting edge research to treat cancer. Or the engineer and workers designing and building a bridge that will keep millions of people safe. We, as a society, have our priorities completely misguided. I’m guilty as well. It’s just articles and discussions like this make me realize how misguided it is. I saw an article the other day that said the PIAA may consider allowing NIL for HS athletes. It made me want to throw up.
 
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This is an example of how out of touch with reality these guys are. Realmuto considers $260,000 “a little bit of money”. He got blasted on Philly sports talk radio for it ( as he should have). The majority of the fans paying to watch him probably don’t consider $260k a little bit of money. Philly is a hard nosed town that prides itself on it’s blue collar roots. This comment was really tone deaf.
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'Not worth it': Phillies star J.T. Realmuto will miss series in Toronto, defends unvaccinated status

J.T. Realmuto will be docked some $260,000 of his $24 million salary this season for missing the Philadelphia Phillies' two games in Toronto.
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All sports salaries are out of control, but football, hockey, and basketball stars are quite involved during a game/In the action.
There are baseball players (mainly in the outfield) that may be involved in only a couple of defensive plays per game and a few at bats. Insane what their salaries equal per play.
 
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Ceasar said:
Soto is a big time talent, no question about that. but he might be wise not to burn the bridge with Washington. The numbers he has put up thus far in his career are very good but by comparison, Judge and Alonso both hit 50+ HRs in their first few years in MLB. Soto's top seasons are 34 and 29. He is also a relatively average defensive player, maybe slightly above average. That said, at his age, I can see why the Nats would try to lock him up long term and I can also see why any team would want to build around him. But if he is looking for more than 400M, there are only a few teams that could go that high, maybe the Yanks, Dodgers, possibly Boston and Philly? Phils gave big $ to Harper, Yanks are trying to sign Judge (for less than 400M), Dodgers have a team of all-stars, Sox have to lock up Devers. And any team that trades for him have to ask if they willing to give up their top 4-5 young players for a player they may not be able to sign. I have a feeling Soto will be harder to trade than the Nats might think and also suspect he will have trouble getting a larger offer from other teams. Also, the New York Post reported that a large portion of the 400M was to be deferred, making the offer less in current dollars. So I wonder if there may still be opportunities for the Nats and Soto to get a deal done.
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He’s 23. At 21, he had a higher ops than Judge has ever had and far higher than Alonso. Judge and Alonso weren’t in mlb until 24.
Soto wants to play for a winner. Under current management, which is trying to sell the team, that’s impossible.
 
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LB99 said:
This is a ridiculous concept. A guy who can throw and hit a ball thinks he is worth more than $400 million dollars. And we are the suckers rationalizing the concept. Yet nurses, doctors, police, firemen, teachers, etc. work crazy hours and can barely afford to take their whole family to watch a game. When did we get this far away from practicality?
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Capitalism! What are you, some kind of commie?😀
 
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nittanyfan333 said:
www.espn.com

Sources: Soto rejects $440M; Nats to hear offers

The Nationals are willing to listen to trade offers for Juan Soto after the star outfielder rejected a 15-year, $440 million contract offer, league sources confirmed to ESPN.
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15 freaking years, almost a half a B…..Billion dollars. With a freaking B.


These contracts are getting out of hand.
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It’s why I gave up on baseball after last strike. Greed and game is all about K and HR, no more team.
 
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LB99 said:
This is an example of how out of touch with reality these guys are. Realmuto considers $260,000 “a little bit of money”. He got blasted on Philly sports talk radio for it ( as he should have). The majority of the fans paying to watch him probably don’t consider $260k a little bit of money. Philly is a hard nosed town that prides itself on it’s blue collar roots. This comment was really tone deaf.
sports.yahoo.com

'Not worth it': Phillies star J.T. Realmuto will miss series in Toronto, defends unvaccinated status

J.T. Realmuto will be docked some $260,000 of his $24 million salary this season for missing the Philadelphia Phillies' two games in Toronto.
sports.yahoo.com sports.yahoo.com
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Check out what actors and actresses make. That's the comparison now with TV money. It's entertainment and Al Pacino can't hold a football or even throw the first pitch at a ball game yet people get worked up with what athletes make. Yet they get paid tens of millions for "talent". Seriously.
 
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LB99 said:
You just restated my point. Why did we the fan/consumer drive it to this point? It’s ridiculous that grown men playing a kid’s game get paid millions more than an oncologist working on cutting edge research to treat cancer. Or the engineer and workers designing and building a bridge that will keep millions of people safe. We, as a society, have our priorities completely misguided. I’m guilty as well. It’s just articles and discussions like this make me realize how misguided it is. I saw an article the other day that said the PIAA may consider allowing NIL for HS athletes. It made me want to throw up.
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I certainly understand your position, and it absolutely makes sense on its face. It's just that our society has been so successful, and we've made life so generally easy for everyone, that we all have so much time and money we can devote to pure leisure. It didn't use to be that way, when athletes had normal jobs in the offseason. So it's a conundrum. If we didn't advance so dramatically, such that a larger portion of life was forced to be spent on survival, then athletes wouldn't get paid like this. But because we built such a great society, entertainment/sports get a disproportionate amount of our time and $$.
 
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wbcbus said:
Well, if 30,000 people were willing to buy tickets to watch nurses, doctors, and police perform, while millions more watched on TV, then the best of those professions would get paid just as much. They only get paid this much because we the people watch and pay so much to watch. You think it should just stay in the owners pockets?
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LB99 said:
You just restated my point. Why did we the fan/consumer drive it to this point? It’s ridiculous that grown men playing a kid’s game get paid millions more than an oncologist working on cutting edge research to treat cancer. Or the engineer and workers designing and building a bridge that will keep millions of people safe. We, as a society, have our priorities completely misguided. I’m guilty as well. It’s just articles and discussions like this make me realize how misguided it is. I saw an article the other day that said the PIAA may consider allowing NIL for HS athletes. It made me want to throw up.
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No disrespect intended to the oncologist or engineer, all of whom are undoubtedly brilliant people. But there are a lot of people who can do what they do. Take the top students from every college in America, most of them could be an engineer or oncologist if they chose to pursue that vocation. But very few people have the God given talent to be not only a professional athlete but one who is so elite that they are offered hundreds of millions of dollars. I understand your point about the value to society of the respective professions, but I think you have to consider these athletes possess skills that few others possess.
 
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Nohow said:
He’s 23. At 21, he had a higher ops than Judge has ever had and far higher than Alonso. Judge and Alonso weren’t in mlb until 24.
Soto wants to play for a winner. Under current management, which is trying to sell the team, that’s impossible.
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Don't misunderstand, I like Soto. But any team in baseball with sacrifice OPS for 50 HRs. I pose this question, if Soto's next 10 years are similar to his first 5, averaging around 25-30 HRs and around 100 RBI, would you consider him to be the best player in the game? I would not. But I would still say he is an outstanding offensive player.
The part about playing for a winner, honestly I am a skeptic on that one and I know yesterday on MLB network that seemed to be the talking point. IMHO he will go where the money is. Boras will make sure of that. I suspect there are components of the Nats offer that are unacceptable to Soto's representatives; maybe it is the deferred money. Of course everyone wants to play for a winner. But look at Carlos Correa, he left Houston for Minnesota. The reality is the only three teams in baseball that almost never have to do a rebuild are the Yankees, Astros and Dodgers. Every other team, at some point, takes a step back to get rid of some contracts and rebuild. The Red Sox did it a few years ago when they traded Betts and some others, Cleveland does it all the time, so do the Giants, Mets and others. I don't follow the Nats very closely but they have never been reluctant to spend money and I would imagine this rebuild they are going through will get them back on track to being a contender.
 
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Ceasar said:
No disrespect intended to the oncologist or engineer, all of whom are undoubtedly brilliant people. But there are a lot of people who can do what they do. Take the top students from every college in America, most of them could be an engineer or oncologist if they chose to pursue that vocation. But very few people have the God given talent to be not only a professional athlete but one who is so elite that they are offered hundreds of millions of dollars. I understand your point about the value to society of the respective professions, but I think you have to consider these athletes possess skills that few others possess.
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No disrespect, but this is exactly the mentality that has contributed to our society justifying giving someone $400 million dollars to throw and hit a ball. Unfortunately, the mentality of holding these guys on a pedestal because they “possess talents that others don’t have” has trickled down to Little League and other youth sports and produced a mass society of entitlement.
 
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wbcbus said:
I certainly understand your position, and it absolutely makes sense on its face. It's just that our society has been so successful, and we've made life so generally easy for everyone, that we all have so much time and money we can devote to pure leisure. It didn't use to be that way, when athletes had normal jobs in the offseason. So it's a conundrum. If we didn't advance so dramatically, such that a larger portion of life was forced to be spent on survival, then athletes wouldn't get paid like this. But because we built such a great society, entertainment/sports get a disproportionate amount of our time and $$.
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