How's that recruiting going? Zayden Walker commits to UGA

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Not really a surprise, but some were pointing to the fact that we were still allegedly factoring in his recruitment as a sign that Beamer is still cooking on the recruiting trail. We were never really in with him, though.

The 2025 class is NOT shaping up well. We are currently sitting at 50th in the Rivals rankings. 13th in the SEC. Brutal.

Recruiting is supposed to be Shane's forte.
 
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And, yes, I know nothing's official until he signs.

And, yes, I know we flipped his older brother from Auburn.

And, yes, I know we'll obviously just pick him up in the portal in a couple years.
 

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As much as I hate to say it and many of you will disagree, Carolina will most likely never be one of the elite football teams in the SEC and we'll continue to be out-recruited. If you think that'll change you're fooling yourself. We came very close with Spurrier and still couldn't pull off an SEC championship. As Spurrier said, it is what it is.
 
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As much as I hate to say it, Carolina will never be one of the elite football teams in the SEC and we'll continue to be out-recruited. If you think that'll change you're fooling yourself. We came very close with Spurrier and still couldn't pull off an SEC championship. As Spurrier said, it is what it is. Argue amongst yourselves.

I don't think there's any argument to made against it. We were disadvantaged in the previous iteration of college football. With the advent of the portal and NIL, our disadvantage has grown by a factor of 100. There's just not a single thing about the current structure that favors us.

We are what we are and we'll always be what we have always been. But I think our fans are more or less ok with that. If the fan base wasn't ok with it, we wouldn't have a full/mostly full stadium for most games.
 

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I don't think there's any argument to made against it. We were disadvantaged in the previous iteration of college football. With the advent of the portal and NIL, our disadvantage has grown by a factor of 100. There's just not a single thing about the current structure that favors us.

We are what we are and we'll always be what we have always been. But I think our fans are more or less ok with that. If the fan base wasn't ok with it, we wouldn't have a full/mostly full stadium for most games.
Hope springs eternal.
 

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As much as I hate to say it and many of you will disagree, Carolina will most likely never be one of the elite football teams in the SEC and we'll continue to be out-recruited. If you think that'll change you're fooling yourself. We came very close with Spurrier and still couldn't pull off an SEC championship. As Spurrier said, it is what it is.
You are right. We are not one of the blue bloods with a lot of tradition and championships to tout even in today's recruiting climate. Just do the best we can and keep plugging away.
 

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I look at Ole Miss and see what they do and can’t help but think why can’t we do that.Yes,Ole Miss has a better history but not while these players today were being recruited.Same with Kentucky and Missouri.Why not us?
 

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Not really a surprise, but some were pointing to the fact that we were still allegedly factoring in his recruitment as a sign that Beamer is still cooking on the recruiting trail. We were never really in with him, though.

The 2025 class is NOT shaping up well. We are currently sitting at 50th in the Rivals rankings. 13th in the SEC. Brutal.

Recruiting is supposed to be Shane's forte.
18, I have said for awhile that those who were pushing for Beamer to be hired based on his supposed recruiting skills, sold us a "bill of goods". Maybe they were sold a "bill of goods". Recruiting under Beamer is no better, maybe worse, than under previous coaches.

I understand the NIL argument. But Clemson surely is no better off NIL-wise than us, maybe worse. Yet their recruiting class is currently ranked 4th. And regarding NIL, the Ray Tanner supporters say he is a better AD than his predecessors because of his fund-raising prowess. None of this adds up.

I don't recall if you were for Beamer to be hired. I was not. I suspect that you and I have more in common than just being long-time New York Yankee baseball fans. I suspect that you, too, was not in favor of hiring Beamer. I was incredulous that he was even in the conversation to be hired.

I agree that we have never been a recruiting powerhouse and probably never will be. We will never win the SEC or a national championship. But we can be nationally relevant. Spurrier proved that, making us that in his time at USC. Our most successful football coaches here never had recruiting as their forte. Our most successful football coaches here were proven tacticians, strategists and with coaching organizational skills (Carlen, Morrison, Holtz and Spurrier). Hopefully, Beamer will prove to have those skills because he clearly does not appear to have the recruiting skills that was advertised 4 years ago.
 
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I look at Ole Miss and see what they do and can’t help but think why can’t we do that.Yes,Ole Miss has a better history but not while these players today were being recruited.Same with Kentucky and Missouri.Why not us?
Kiffin and Drinkwitz proved their coaching skills in prior jobs. Stoops has done OK at a basketball-first school. But, overall, Stoops has been mediocre at Kentucky (35-55 conference record). When Ole Miss and Missouri hired Kiffin and Drinkwitz, they were not hiring rookie Head Coaches. We, on the other hand, rolled the dice hiring someone, who not only never had been a Head Coach, but never been an Offensive Coordinator nor Defensive Coordinator.
 

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18, I have said for awhile that those who were pushing for Beamer to be hired based on his supposed recruiting skills, sold us a "bill of goods". Maybe they were sold a "bill of goods". Recruiting under Beamer is no better, maybe worse, than under previous coaches.

I understand the NIL argument. But Clemson surely is no better off NIL-wise than us, maybe worse. Yet their recruiting class is currently ranked 4th. And regarding NIL, the Ray Tanner supporters say he is a better AD than his predecessors because of his fund-raising prowess. None of this adds up.

I don't recall if you were for Beamer to be hired. I was not. I suspect that you and I have more in common than just being long-time New York Yankee baseball fans. I suspect that you, too, was not in favor of hiring Beamer. I was incredulous that he was even in the conversation to be hired.

I agree that we have never been a recruiting powerhouse and probably never will be. We will never win the SEC or a national championship. But we can be nationally relevant. Spurrier proved that, making us that in his time at USC. Our most successful football coaches here never had recruiting as their forte. Our most successful football coaches here were proven tacticians, strategists and with coaching organizational skills (Carlen, Morrison, Holtz and Spurrier). Hopefully, Beamer will prove to have those skills because he clearly does not appear to have the recruiting skills that was advertised 4 years ago.

I was adamantly against Beamer when his name was first mentioned. Couldn't even believe he was being discussed. By the time he was hired I had "come around" to the idea, I guess since it was happening so had to find the possible positives in it.

Yanks are on a tear, huh? Orioles won't go away though.
 
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Perceptions and momentum are critical in recruiting, and we wasted what was built in 2022 with a terrible 2023 season. It's not the first time though as we failed to take advantage of the Spurrier era and we wasted Martin's run to the Final Four in BB.
It's a definite trend of failure to take advantage of opportunities by the Gamecocks.
 
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Perceptions and momentum are critical in recruiting, and we wasted what was built in 2022 with a terrible 2023 season. It's not the first time though as we failed to take advantage of the Spurrier era and we wasted Martin's run to the Final Four in BB.
It's a definite trend of failure to take advantage of opportunities by the Gamecocks.
2025 is shaping up to be Beamer's make or break year. It's not looking so hot at the moment with this abysmal 2025 class.
 
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I understand the NIL argument. But Clemson surely is no better off NIL-wise than us, maybe worse. Yet their recruiting class is currently ranked 4th. And regarding NIL, the Ray Tanner supporters say he is a better AD than his predecessors because of his fund-raising prowess. None of this adds up...
You're right. It doesn't add up because, if UPC is ranked fourth in recruiting, ain't NO WAY they aren't better NIL-wise than us - NO WAY.
 

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Look at the head coach he was recruiting for then. Look at the head coach he's recruiting for now.
THAT is exactly what I said 4 years ago when Beamer was being pushed here for his supposed recruiting prowess. Ronald McDonald could have been our Recruiting Coordinator under Steve Spurrier and been successful.

I knew when I spoke with someone with an earphone to the Board of Trustees, long before Beamer was hired, talking up Beamer, that it was all over and a done deal. Anyone who tells you that we SERIOUSLY talked with or negotiated with someone else, tell them to go sell "crazy" somewhere else.
 

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You're right. It doesn't add up because, if UPC is ranked fourth in recruiting, ain't NO WAY they aren't better NIL-wise than us - NO WAY.
We have lots more alumni than they do. Maybe they have a truck load of Elon Musks, Warren Buffetts, etc. I don't know. What is their source of NIL money? Tanner is supposedly a fund-raising guru. So how are we lacking in NIL money compared to clemson? Why is their current recruiting class ranked 4th, whereas ours is ranked 23rd?
 
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We have lots more alumni than they do. Maybe they have a truck load of Elon Musks, Warren Buffetts, etc. I don't know. What is their source of NIL money? Tanner is supposedly a fund-raising guru. So how are we lacking in NIL money compared to clemson? Why is their current recruiting class ranked 4th, whereas ours is ranked 23rd?
Because they're enticing them better than we are - and all but three other schools in the country. We have a lot more alumni that Notre Dame also.
 
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We need more enchanting enticers. We have been scraping near the bottom of the SEC recruiting rankings (average 11th) for the past several years. It's going to catch up with us, if not already.
 
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As much as I hate to say it and many of you will disagree, Carolina will most likely never be one of the elite football teams in the SEC and we'll continue to be out-recruited. If you think that'll change you're fooling yourself. We came very close with Spurrier and still couldn't pull off an SEC championship. As Spurrier said, it is what it is.

Only a fool would argue with you. Especial, since it's now semi-pro ball.

BUT, if the N.I.L. and $$$ check are even close, I'm going to a BIG TIME DIPLOMA SCHOOLS. Stanford, Northwestern, SMU (Maybe even the Ivy League schools might see the Income Stream, eventually.) Yeah Jawja, Auburn Engineering, Vandy, & Ole MIss Law will be the SEC schools but, C'mon SEC is an educational JOKE. Bama? Mizzou?, Arky?, ... ever been Norman OK??? Miss St, the entire state of Kentucky or TENNdoubleASS and good old Carolina where the locals ***** about all the damn Yankees who come here but the locals don't qualify!
 

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You guys are about as negative as they come. Are y'all going to just ignore what Beamer did with the 2024 class that just came in? Not to mention we seem to be off to a good start for the 2026 class.

They are getting good players to visit and keeping them interested in the program. I also think these ball players genuinely like South Carolina and the coaches, but they also want to win, and are likely interested to see what they do on the field this year. Truth is we need to find a way to win games next year.
 

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You guys are about as negative as they come. Are y'all going to just ignore what Beamer did with the 2024 class that just came in? Not to mention we seem to be off to a good start for the 2026 class.

They are getting good players to visit and keeping them interested in the program. I also think these ball players genuinely like South Carolina and the coaches, but they also want to win, and are likely interested to see what they do on the field this year. Truth is we need to find a way to win games next year.

You're right, it would be hard to ignore that the 2024 class ranked 14th in the SEC.
 
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You're right, it would be hard to ignore that the 2024 class ranked 14th in the SEC.
18, it's not just this recruiting cycle. If you look at Beamer's recruiting ever since he arrived here, add Texas and Oklahoma to the mix, his recruiting compared to the rest of the SEC has been poor. If he does not have "Frank Beamer-like" coaching skills, we will be in a world of hurt. I'm pulling for him, for us, hoping for the best.
 
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You're right, it would be hard to ignore that the 2024 class ranked 14th in the SEC.
Its obvious that your looking at Rivals rankings. However Rivals rankings are greatly effected by the quantity more so than the quality of the class. Since the gamecocks only had 16 high school commits, that was the reason for their low ranking on that site. If you look at the commit list on On3 which shows the rankings for all the major sites, only 2 players in the entire class were perceived to not be a 4 star or better looking at all the sites combined.

This 2024 class (while not as 5 star deep) reminds me of that 15 player class Clemson had some years ago.
 

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Its obvious that your looking at Rivals rankings. However Rivals rankings are greatly effected by the quantity more so than the quality of the class. Since the gamecocks only had 16 high school commits, that was the reason for their low ranking on that site. If you look at the commit list on On3 which shows the rankings for all the major sites, only 2 players in the entire class were perceived to not be a 4 star or better looking at all the sites combined.

This 2024 class (while not as 5 star deep) reminds me of that 15 player class Clemson had some years ago.

We are 12th in the SEC per 247. 11th per On3. No matter which one you use, it ain't great.
 

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Georgia 8 4-Stars, Clemmers 10 4-Stars.
Us- 1 4-Star. Our recruits are described as "under the radar"
This year will be telling. I think it will reveal early that we should have gotten Sellers more PT last year at any point. ITs not like we would have jeopardized anything by playing him more minutes.
 

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Georgia 8 4-Stars, Clemmers 10 4-Stars.
Us- 1 4-Star. Our recruits are described as "under the radar"
This year will be telling. I think it will reveal early that we should have gotten Sellers more PT last year at any point. ITs not like we would have jeopardized anything by playing him more minutes.
We lead the league in covert recruiting.
 

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We can't get very many 5 stars, so we recruit the hidden nuggets no one has identified.
But when we identify them, others come and steal them.
Losing game.

Like that QB out of Ohio. He wasn't under the radar, but we were on him like white on rice and appeared to have it sealed up. Then UGA comes in at 59th minute of the 11th hour and says "actually, don't mind if we do, thanks."
 

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Like that QB out of Ohio. He wasn't under the radar, but we were on him like white on rice and appeared to have it sealed up. Then UGA comes in at 59th minute of the 11th hour and says "actually, don't mind if we do, thanks."
Exactly
 

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Not really a surprise, but some were pointing to the fact that we were still allegedly factoring in his recruitment as a sign that Beamer is still cooking on the recruiting trail. We were never really in with him, though.

The 2025 class is NOT shaping up well. We are currently sitting at 50th in the Rivals rankings. 13th in the SEC. Brutal.

Recruiting is supposed to be Shane's forte.
You're naïve to the fact that we actually were a big factor here but UGA put the full court press on during his OV and got him to commit. They REALLY didn't want him to take his OV here, but go off I guess?
 

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THAT is exactly what I said 4 years ago when Beamer was being pushed here for his supposed recruiting prowess. Ronald McDonald could have been our Recruiting Coordinator under Steve Spurrier and been successful.

I knew when I spoke with someone with an earphone to the Board of Trustees, long before Beamer was hired, talking up Beamer, that it was all over and a done deal. Anyone who tells you that we SERIOUSLY talked with or negotiated with someone else, tell them to go sell "crazy" somewhere else.
How has Beamer recruited poorly? He's brought in a lot of talent and what hurts right now is our DL class from last year where we recruited a couple of guys where one got in trouble and kicked out of school (Rhames) and the other had behavior issues that wasn't good for the locker room (McLeod).

Other than that we've recruited the secondary really well, had a lot of talent come in from the transfer portal, landed back to back OL classes that are really talented, are poised to land another impactful OL class, landed one of the top DEs in the country from out of state, landed some stud LB recruits in the 2024 class, etc.

And for all the belly aching about Clemson, they have a recent history of winning and winning big. They also play against lesser competition so they are able to stack wins and still make it an attractive place for recruits to go because of that. If they played an SEC type schedule then I don't think they would have near the success they have had recently.
 
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You're naïve to the fact that we actually were a big factor here but UGA put the full court press on during his OV and got him to commit. They REALLY didn't want him to take his OV here, but go off I guess?

lol, who cares if we were a factor? If we had 10% of the 5* guys we were supposedly a factor for, we'd have won 5 titles by now.

Saying we're a factor is such a nebulous thing to say and impossible to quantify, especially now that we know these recruits list their "top #" schools list for social media reasons. It's also a lame-o consolation prize I'm too used to us winning. "Hey, we were in it down the wire!"
 

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You're right, it would be hard to ignore that the 2024 class ranked 14th in the SEC.
Ranked 19th nationally and 10th in the SEC. Just goes to show how daunting and stacked of a conference we play in.
 

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Ranked 19th nationally and 10th in the SEC. Just goes to show how daunting and stacked of a conference we play in.
Who has us ranked 10th in the SEC?

But, in any event, therein lies the issue. The national rating is irrelevant if you're only 10th in your conference.
 
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