How's that recruiting going? Zayden Walker commits to UGA

[Cockypantherfan]

lol, who cares if we were a factor? If we had 10% of the 5* guys we were supposedly a factor for, we'd have won 5 titles by now.

Saying we're a factor is such a nebulous thing to say and impossible to quantify, especially now that we know these recruits list their "top #" schools list for social media reasons. It's also a lame-o consolation prize I'm too used to us winning. "Hey, we were in it down the wire!"

Kind of hard to go toe to toe with the defending national champion for a recruit in their home state who they pushed for. It is what it is.

What good does all this crying do?

I don't think you're very well versed in recruiting because you've not once made mention of highly recruited guys we're actually in it for or have commitments from for either this class or classes prior.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Kind of hard to go toe to toe with the defending national champion for a recruit in their home state who they pushed for. It is what it is.

What good does all this crying do?

I don't think you're very well versed in recruiting because you've not once made mention of highly recruited guys we're actually in it for or have commitments from for either this class or classes prior.

How come that is your only attack for people? Anytime anyone acknowledges basic facts, all y'all can say is something about crying.

Facts are non-emotional. Facts are facts. And the fact is, we are currently ranked 50th, with no serious prospects of any big-time pickups.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don't think you're very well versed in recruiting because you've not once made mention of highly recruited guys we're actually in it for or have commitments from for either this class or classes prior.

The context of this thread is the 2024 class. No prior classes.

To my knowledge, we are not serious factors for any big-time 2024 recruits. I would love to be corrected if that is inaccurate.

 

[Prestonite53]

Kind of hard to go toe to toe with the defending national champion for a recruit in their home state who they pushed for. It is what it is.

What good does all this crying do?

I don't think you're very well versed in recruiting because you've not once made mention of highly recruited guys we're actually in it for or have commitments from for either this class or classes prior.

Beamer has gotten us involved and in the mix with a lot of highly regarded recruits. Kudos on that.
Need to work harder on the next step of fielding a winning team regardless of the recruiting ranking of the players but they seem to go hand in hand, and he has to start landing some of those recruits.

 

[gamecock stock]

How has Beamer recruited poorly? He's brought in a lot of talent and what hurts right now is our DL class from last year where we recruited a couple of guys where one got in trouble and kicked out of school (Rhames) and the other had behavior issues that wasn't good for the locker room (McLeod).

Other than that we've recruited the secondary really well, had a lot of talent come in from the transfer portal, landed back to back OL classes that are really talented, are poised to land another impactful OL class, landed one of the top DEs in the country from out of state, landed some stud LB recruits in the 2024 class, etc.

And for all the belly aching about Clemson, they have a recent history of winning and winning big. They also play against lesser competition so they are able to stack wins and still make it an attractive place for recruits to go because of that. If they played an SEC type schedule then I don't think they would have near the success they have had recently.

We are in the SEC. Check out how our fellow SEC members have recruited. Then check out how Beamer has recruited. It is poor in comparison.

Beamer supporters sold him to us skeptics on the basis that he was a super recruiter guru and would thus take the program to a high level. Check out how Beamer has done recruiting wise in the SEC against the man he replaced, the fired Will Muschamp. (NOTE, I took out Texas and Oklahoma 2024 and 2025 rankings so the comparison could be "apples to apples" . We finished and are finishing behind Texas and Oklahoma in the 2024 and 2025 rankings):
Muschamp:
2016.....9
2017.....7
2018.....7
2019......11
2020.......8

Beamer:
2021.......14
2022........13
2023..........7
2024..........8
2025.........10 (thus far)

Just look look how Beamer's recruiting compares in the SEC. The numbers say "POOR". Look at how Beamer's recruiting compares to Muschamp's. Muschamp did better and, he was fired.

I stand by what I say. Beamer has not delivered as THE RECRUITER he was purported to be. For Beamer to avoid Muschamp's fate, he is going to have to outcoach most of the SEC teams we face. We certainly won't be putting more talented teams on the field when we face them. Does Beamer have the "coaching chops" in him? Time will tell.

 

[Cockypantherfan]

Who has us ranked 10th in the SEC?

But, in any event, therein lies the issue. The national rating is irrelevant if you're only 10th in your conference.

Why are you even a fan then? I've rarely if ever seen you post anything positive. It's always something negative from you.

 

[Cockypantherfan]

How come that is your only attack for people? Anytime anyone acknowledges basic facts, all y'all can say is something about crying.

Facts are non-emotional. Facts are facts. And the fact is, we are currently ranked 50th, with no serious prospects of any big-time pickups.

You want to talk about facts, but where in the world are we ranked 50th?? Ohhhh you're using Rivals like they are even relevant any more.

According to On3, we are ranked #25 in the nation at the moment.

Two bigger names are Shamari Earls, who is a top 12 DB in the nation and Brian Rowe, who is a 4* and the #51 ranked WR.

We only have 7 public commitments so far and are bound to get some other 4* talent.

 

[Cockypantherfan]

The context of this thread is the 2024 class. No prior classes.

To my knowledge, we are not serious factors for any big-time 2024 recruits. I would love to be corrected if that is inaccurate.

It is inaccurate, and I've broken it down for you before.

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[Cockypantherfan]

Beamer has gotten us involved and in the mix with a lot of highly regarded recruits. Kudos on that.
Need to work harder on the next step of fielding a winning team regardless of the recruiting ranking of the players but they seem to go hand in hand, and he has to start landing some of those recruits.

Agreed we need to see results on the field and when we do we should be able to stack even better classes on top of what we already have.

 

[18IsTheMan]

You want to talk about facts, but where in the world are we ranked 50th?? Ohhhh you're using Rivals like they are even relevant any more.

According to On3, we are ranked #25 in the nation at the moment.

Two bigger names are Shamari Earls, who is a top 12 DB in the nation and Brian Rowe, who is a 4* and the #51 ranked WR.

We only have 7 public commitments so far and are bound to get some other 4* talent.

And there goes the other trademarked move: dismiss as irrelevant any rankings that you don't like. lol

Rivals has us 50th. 247 has us 46th. On3 has us 25th. So of course, you only consider On3 to be reputable.

 

[Cockypantherfan]

We are in the SEC. Check out how our fellow SEC members have recruited. Then check out how Beamer has recruited. It is poor in comparison.

Beamer supporters sold him to us skeptics on the basis that he was a super recruiter guru and would thus take the program to a high level. Check out how Beamer has done recruiting wise in the SEC against the man he replaced, the fired Will Muschamp. (NOTE, I took out Texas and Oklahoma 2024 and 2025 rankings so the comparison could be "apples to apples" . We finished and are finishing behind Texas and Oklahoma in the 2024 and 2025 rankings):
Muschamp:
2016.....9
2017.....7
2018.....7
2019......11
2020.......8

Beamer:
2021.......14
2022........13
2023..........7
2024..........8
2025.........10 (thus far)

Just look look how Beamer's recruiting compares in the SEC. The numbers say "POOR". Look at how Beamer's recruiting compares to Muschamp's. Muschamp did better and, he was fired.

I stand by what I say. Beamer has not delivered as THE RECRUITER he was purported to be. For Beamer to avoid Muschamp's fate, he is going to have to outcoach most of the SEC teams we face. We certainly won't be putting more talented teams on the field when we face them. Does Beamer have the "coaching chops" in him? Time will tell.

Muschamp could recruit certain areas, but left a lot of holes on the roster.

I think Beamer has a more holistic approach to recruiting and has begun focusing on the lines of scrimmage and building well rounded classes.

We just need to put 7+ wins together this year and I think we can build momentum with that.

 

[Cockypantherfan]

And there goes the other trademarked move: dismiss as irrelevant any rankings that you don't like. lol

Rivals has us 50th. 247 has us 46th. On3 has us 25th. So of course, you only consider On3 to be reputable.

Because On3 is kind of the industry standard, so yes I choose to go with the best of the recruiting services.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Because On3 is kind of the industry standard, so yes I choose to go with the best of the recruiting services.

Self-acclaimed industry standard. Kind of like when Waffle house used to have "voted #1 hash browns in America by Waffle House employees".

 

[Prestonite53]

Muschamp could recruit certain areas, but left a lot of holes on the roster.

I think Beamer has a more holistic approach to recruiting and has begun focusing on the lines of scrimmage and building well rounded classes.

We just need to put 7+ wins together this year and I think we can build momentum with that.

Agree, this season is critical

 

[gamecock stock]

Muschamp could recruit certain areas, but left a lot of holes on the roster.

I think Beamer has a more holistic approach to recruiting and has begun focusing on the lines of scrimmage and building well rounded classes.

We just need to put 7+ wins together this year and I think we can build momentum with that.

I agree with you that we need to win on the field to impact recruiting. We definitely need to win 7 games in order to get a 4-4 SEC record. I believe that a .500 conference record in the 4th season is a "must". A 7-5 overall record will get us to a 4-4 conference record. I'm in the minority when I say that a 7-5 record is doable. I think we will get that. If not, the 2025 season, Beamer's 5th, will be "do or die" for him.

 

[Cockypantherfan]

I agree with you that we need to win on the field to impact recruiting. We definitely need to win 7 games in order to get a 4-4 SEC record. I believe that a .500 conference record in the 4th season is a "must". A 7-5 overall record will get us to a 4-4 conference record. I'm in the minority when I say that a 7-5 record is doable. I think we will get that. If not, the 2025 season, Beamer's 5th, will be "do or die" for him.

Definitely agree with your points here.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I agree with you that we need to win on the field to impact recruiting. We definitely need to win 7 games in order to get a 4-4 SEC record. I believe that a .500 conference record in the 4th season is a "must". A 7-5 overall record will get us to a 4-4 conference record. I'm in the minority when I say that a 7-5 record is doable. I think we will get that. If not, the 2025 season, Beamer's 5th, will be "do or die" for him.

I hope you're right. I just cant' see 7 wins, no matter which way I look at this schedule.

Sellers is a major X factor, though. I remain excited about him, even though many have already written him off.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Agree, this season is critical

And that's probably an understatement. We start the season with 4 wins presumably in the bank. That means we'd need to go 3-5 in our other 8 games, pulling 3 upsets, to land with 7 wins. Starting off with 4 wins in the back pocket, if we can't eke out 6 wins and a crap bowl, that will be devastating for Beamer.

 

[gamecock stock]

Sellers is a major X factor, though. I remain excited about him, even though many have already written him off.

Totally agree with you there.

I really, really understand the skepticism regarding our 2024 prospects. I just believe that, talent-wise, there is not a wide gap between us, Missouri and Ole Miss (as there is with Alabama and Oklahoma). Getting Missouri and Ole Miss at home is certainly an advantage. If Beamer is a "chip off the old block" in coaching skills, then those 2 games are winnable. We and Kentucky are also close talent-wise. And we have beaten Kentucky in each of the past 2 seasons. I realize that Texas A&M has recruited very well under Jimbo Fisher. I know that lots of players left after Jimbo was fired. We get them at home where we beat them 2 years ago. They come to Williams-Brice with a new Head Coach. Thus, overall, I look at the schedule and see possible wins in those 4 games. But, again, Beamer has to show "coaching ability" in those games because those 4 teams have Head Coaches who do. Will he? Time will tell.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Totally agree with you there.

I really, really understand the skepticism regarding our 2024 prospects. I just believe that, talent-wise, there is not a wide gap between us, Missouri and Ole Miss (as there is with Alabama and Oklahoma). Getting Missouri and Ole Miss at home is certainly an advantage. If Beamer is a "chip off the old block" in coaching skills, then those 2 games are winnable. We and Kentucky are also close talent-wise. And we have beaten Kentucky in each of the past 2 seasons. I realize that Texas A&M has recruited very well under Jimbo Fisher. I know that lots of players left after Jimbo was fired. We get them at home where we beat them 2 years ago. They come to Williams-Brice with a new Head Coach. Thus, overall, I look at the schedule and see possible wins in those 4 games. But, again, Beamer has to show "coaching ability" in those games because those 4 teams have Head Coaches who do. Will he? Time will tell.

I have felt that way about Missouri, but they, inexplicably, have a 5-peat going on us. I don't feel like they should be that much better than us, but they have our number right now.

 

[gamecock stock]

I have felt that way about Missouri, but they, inexplicably, have a 5-peat going on us. I don't feel like they should be that much better than us, but they have our number right now.

That's true. Of course, Kentucky and Stoops had our number for quite awhile. Then we beat them for the past 2 years.

Beamer just needs to show "coaching chops" this season. I just am not impressed with him as a recruiter. So, he needs to show and make up for his recruiting deficiencies through "coaching ability". His Dad Frank was a solid recruiter, much like Spurrier. He got the occasional stud recruit, as Spurrier did. But he and Spurrier, made up for talent gaps and made their names on "game day". Shane will have to do the same.

 

[Prestonite53]

Totally agree with you there.

I really, really understand the skepticism regarding our 2024 prospects. I just believe that, talent-wise, there is not a wide gap between us, Missouri and Ole Miss (as there is with Alabama and Oklahoma). Getting Missouri and Ole Miss at home is certainly an advantage. If Beamer is a "chip off the old block" in coaching skills, then those 2 games are winnable. We and Kentucky are also close talent-wise. And we have beaten Kentucky in each of the past 2 seasons. I realize that Texas A&M has recruited very well under Jimbo Fisher. I know that lots of players left after Jimbo was fired. We get them at home where we beat them 2 years ago. They come to Williams-Brice with a new Head Coach. Thus, overall, I look at the schedule and see possible wins in those 4 games. But, again, Beamer has to show "coaching ability" in those games because those 4 teams have Head Coaches who do. Will he? Time will tell.

Speaking of coaching, we have to do better with our opening drive of the game, last 5 minutes of the 1st half and 1st 5 minutes of the 2nd half. These are typically areas where we consistently have failures. Winning coaches seem to make these areas of emphasis with their teams.
Specifically, our opening drives seem to always be wasted given all the pre-game preparation.

 

[gamecock stock]

Speaking of coaching, we have to do better with our opening drive of the game, last 5 minutes of the 1st half and 1st 5 minutes of the 2nd half. These are typically areas where we consistently have failures. Winning coaches seem to make these areas of emphasis with their teams.
Specifically, our opening drives seem to always be wasted given all the pre-game preparation.

The late, great Vince Dooley's teams would come out in the 2nd half like a totally different (better) team.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

The late, great Vince Dooley's teams would come out in the 2nd half like a totally different (better) team.

Or like Kirby Smart did last year against us. While we were whooping it up like we won the game. I'm afraid that's the kind of coaching chops we have.

 

[Gamecock Vet]

18, I have said for awhile that those who were pushing for Beamer to be hired based on his supposed recruiting skills, sold us a "bill of goods". Maybe they were sold a "bill of goods". Recruiting under Beamer is no better, maybe worse, than under previous coaches.

I understand the NIL argument. But Clemson surely is no better off NIL-wise than us, maybe worse. Yet their recruiting class is currently ranked 4th. And regarding NIL, the Ray Tanner supporters say he is a better AD than his predecessors because of his fund-raising prowess. None of this adds up.

I don't recall if you were for Beamer to be hired. I was not. I suspect that you and I have more in common than just being long-time New York Yankee baseball fans. I suspect that you, too, was not in favor of hiring Beamer. I was incredulous that he was even in the conversation to be hired.

I agree that we have never been a recruiting powerhouse and probably never will be. We will never win the SEC or a national championship. But we can be nationally relevant. Spurrier proved that, making us that in his time at USC. Our most successful football coaches here never had recruiting as their forte. Our most successful football coaches here were proven tacticians, strategists and with coaching organizational skills (Carlen, Morrison, Holtz and Spurrier). Hopefully, Beamer will prove to have those skills because he clearly does not appear to have the recruiting skills that was advertised 4 years ago.

Clempson spends more on nil in football by far than we do

 

[gamecock stock]

Clempson spends more on nil in football by far than we do

How do they do that? Whatever they are doing, why are we not copying them? The praise that Tanner receives is that he is a great fund-raiser. Why are not his great fund-raising skills not being put to work or copied and put to use on NIL money coming to "Garnet Trust" or whatever they call themselves? Or is football not the priority sport any more at USC?

 

[Lurker123]

Clempson spends more on nil in football by far than we do

Do they? I have yet to see an accurate, legitimate comparison of NIL expenditures from school to school.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Do they? I have yet to see an accurate, legitimate comparison of NIL expenditures from school to school.

Is there an accurate, legitimate NIL amount that we're paying a track guy?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Do they? I have yet to see an accurate, legitimate comparison of NIL expenditures from school to school.

Nobody knows, but it’s a convenient excuse for missing out on recruits these days.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It is inaccurate, and I've broken it down for you before.

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I stand corrected. We got a commitment from Christopher Hatfield. Flat-out STOLE him from App St!

 

[Cockypantherfan]

I stand corrected. We got a commitment from Christopher Hatfield. Flat-out STOLE him from App St!

Patience. 1 player who you perceive as not good doesn't define a class.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Patience. 1 player who you perceive as not good doesn't define a class.

 

[will110]

Self-acclaimed industry standard. Kind of like when Waffle house used to have "voted #1 hash browns in America by Waffle House employees".

Waffle House hashbrowns are #1 in America. That's a fact...not an opinion!

 

[gamecock stock]

Waffle House hashbrowns are #1 in America. That's a fact...not an opinion!

You are right. It has been awhile since I ate there though.

Metro Diner has the best overall breakfast, imho.

 

[gamecock stock]

I stand corrected. We got a commitment from Christopher Hatfield. Flat-out STOLE him from App St!

Our national recruiting ranking is 24th. Our SEC ranking is 11th. Based on what Beamer has done since becoming Head Coach, let's face it: this is about as good as it will get under Beamer.

By the way, two SEC schools reportedly swimming in an overflowing pool of NIL money, Ole Miss and Missouri, are ranked just above us in the SEC recruiting rankings: 9th and 10th respectively. That NIL money sure is widely separating Ole Miss and Missouri from us.

 

[will110]

You are right. It has been awhile since I ate there though.

Metro Diner has the best overall breakfast, imho.

I haven't been to Metro Diner, so can't compare.

My favorite Waffle House meal changes depending on how I feel, but I'm typically going to order a cheesesteak hashbrown bowl, a melt of some sort with hashbrowns, or hashbrowns all the way. They also have a solid burger, especially once you start adding toppings. Top that off with a cherry Coke.

 

[gamecock stock]

Our national recruiting ranking is 24th. Our SEC ranking is 11th. Based on what Beamer has done since becoming Head Coach, let's face it: this is about as good as it will get under Beamer.

By the way, two SEC schools reportedly swimming in an overflowing pool of NIL money, Ole Miss and Missouri, are ranked just above us in the SEC recruiting rankings: 9th and 10th respectively. That NIL money sure is widely separating Ole Miss and Missouri from us.

I stand corrected: we are 29th in the nation and 12th in the SEC.

 

[gamecox4982]

As much as I hate to say it and many of you will disagree, Carolina will most likely never be one of the elite football teams in the SEC and we'll continue to be out-recruited. If you think that'll change you're fooling yourself. We came very close with Spurrier and still couldn't pull off an SEC championship. As Spurrier said, it is what it is.

Just need to give more money, right?

 

[gamecock stock]

Just need to give more money, right?

We will never win the national championship nor the SEC. But, we have the potential of being nationally relevant. Spurrier proved that. Does Shane have Steve's coaching ability? Hell, does he have Frank's coaching ability (I'd take that and say "thank you")?

 

[DeBoer31]

The landscape has changed dramatically and hard to even cross reference pre-NIL....but this was part of the issue with SB when hired. A big name/top talent coach has intangibles that don't have to be sold.... like "well he's a great fundraiser or recruiter" because if you're a legit top coach those things take care of themselves. People show up with checks and ticket sales and players show up if you're that top tier coaching talent.
I really do like Shane....the way I really liked WM, etc. But, I didn't want either of them hired because I, like many, knew the end result. He would've been a fantastic AHC and actually coordinate a side of the ball for a few years but as we've seen his ability to recruit players has been about the same as his ability to recruit coordinators. Sure- we're hoping for the best, but the results will be what they'll be.