Hurts' new contract....wow

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I saw something just this morning that said this contract will drop Dak's to 9th among NFL QBs. It's wild to think that $40-50m/yr is now the price of doing business with a Top 15 QB, but it's the price of doing business
 
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I saw something just this morning that said this contract will drop Dak's to 9th among NFL QBs. It's wild to think that $40-50m/yr is now the price of doing business with a Top 15 QB, but it's the price of doing business

It certainly is. And if Dak gets the extension that Dallas would be smart to go ahead and give him, he’ll be in the same ballpark for the additional years of his current deal, too.
 

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Highest-paid QBs in the NFL in new money average per year:

1. Jalen Hurts: $51M
2. Aaron Rodgers: $49M
3. Kyler Murray: $46.1M
4. Deshaun Watson: $46M
5. Patrick Mahomes: $45M
6. Josh Allen: $43M
T-7. Daniel Jones: $40M
T-7. Matthew Stafford: $40M
T-7. Dak Prescott: $40M
 
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Highest-paid QBs in the NFL in new money average per year:

1. Jalen Hurts: $51M
2. Aaron Rodgers: $49M
3. Kyler Murray: $46.1M
4. Deshaun Watson: $46M
5. Patrick Mahomes: $45M
6. Josh Allen: $43M
T-7. Daniel Jones: $40M
T-7. Matthew Stafford: $40M
T-7. Dak Prescott: $40M

I still remember all the people that thought KC was insane for the 10 year deal they gave Mahomes. It was a super smart move then and looks even better now.
 

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I don’t have a big issue with this. Hurts was awesome last year, and the market is what it is.

Should Mahomes be the highest paid in the league? No doubt. But he signed his contract several years ago, a lot of the other guys on that list are newer contracts.
 

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I still remember all the people that thought KC was insane for the 10 year deal they gave Mahomes. It was a super smart move then and looks even better now.

Mahomes is already a Hall of Fame lock at 27 and is probably not done winning Super Bowls, so yeah, in hindsight that deal looks amazing.
 
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I don’t have a big issue with this. Hurts was awesome last year, and the market is what it is.
Not really. He just was able to take advantage of a super team around him.

Greatly enjoyed watching KC take them down in a year where literally everything lined up for them, and most of the world kissing Hurts arse because he was yet another running quarterback who can't throw, which doesn't work long-term in the NFL, but yet so many are dead set on making it work.

Terrible contract. But hey, he got closer than Lamar Jackson.
 

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Only 3 on that list have proven to be worth what they are being paid.
Signing a QB to a huge contract definitely seems to be a make or break kind of thing. Get it right and you're a playoff contender every year, get it wrong and it may take years to recover.

The only other options are to get lucky in the draft and surround him with a great roster, or grab a veteran late in his career when everyone thinks his best days are behind him - like we've seen with Manning, Brady, Stafford. Guess that's what the Jets were hoping to do with Rodgers.
 
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Highest-paid QBs in the NFL in new money average per year:

1. Jalen Hurts: $51M
2. Aaron Rodgers: $49M
3. Kyler Murray: $46.1M
4. Deshaun Watson: $46M
5. Patrick Mahomes: $45M
6. Josh Allen: $43M
T-7. Daniel Jones: $40M
T-7. Matthew Stafford: $40M
T-7. Dak Prescott: $40M
I know these lists tend to make one think, here is the best QB based on salary and team salary caps that the QB is willing to adjust with.

It is mostly based on time, each year a new QB signs the "biggest ever".

Did you notice that Hurts was a day after Rodgers and is $2M more. I am sure that is intentional, learned that little trick from Saban's coaching contracts.

Burrow will get over $51M in 2024. Then another QB will get more in 2025. It's how it works.

It really hints at how much money the NFL owners make, even billionaires can't buy an NFL team.
 

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Not really. He just was able to take advantage of a super team around him.

Greatly enjoyed watching KC take them down in a year where literally everything lined up for them, and most of the world kissing Hurts arse because he was yet another running quarterback who can't throw, which doesn't work long-term in the NFL, but yet so many are dead set on making it work.

Terrible contract. But hey, he got closer than Lamar Jackson.

Hurts was 4th in the NFL in QBR, only behind Mahomes, Allen, and Tua. Ahead of Burrow, Herbert, Dak, Lamar, etc.
 

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If there’s one thing that has been proven time and again with big NFL QB contracts, its that the sooner you can lock down your QB the better….and the longer the deal the better. You pay a heavy price from dragging the process out. Philly is wise for going ahead and getting it done before Lamar, Herbert, and Burrow send the market further into orbit.
 
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Hurts was 4th in the NFL in QBR, only behind Mahomes, Allen, and Tua. Ahead of Burrow, Herbert, Dak, Lamar, etc.

And Burrow / Herbert were also on rookie contracts, too.

These arguments are always so humorous because nobody that ever says these contracts are ridiculous ever proposes an alternative.

There are only ever 8-10 QB’s in the NFL at any one time that are good enough to be considered franchise QB’s. If you are lucky enough to have one of those (and Hurts certainly is), and they are on a rookie contract, your choices are to pay them a lot now, pay them even more later, trade them and roll the dice that you’ll be able to find an equal player in the draft (a losing gamble way more often than not), or let them go for basically nothing in free agency. Can’t just pay them $3 million a year for the rest of their career.
 

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There are only ever 8-10 QB’s in the NFL at any one time that are good enough to be considered franchise QB’s. If you are lucky enough to have one of those (and Hurts certainly is), and they are on a rookie contract, your choices are to pay them a lot now, pay them even more later, trade them and roll the dice that you’ll be able to find an equal player in the draft (a losing gamble way more often than not), or let them go for basically nothing in free agency. Can’t just pay them $3 million a year for the rest of their career.
That's where you go wrong.
 

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I don’t have a big issue with this. Hurts was awesome last year, and the market is what it is.

Should Mahomes be the highest paid in the league? No doubt. But he signed his contract several years ago, a lot of the other guys on that list are newer contracts.
Everyone flipped over the half billion $ contract that Mahomes got a year or two ago, but that thing was a honestly a thing of beauty by KC. A very team friendly front portion that allows them to maintain the rest of the roster, and even the backloaded portion of the deal is years away. By the time they get to the late 2020 years, that $50m/yr is going be an absolute steal. Seriously, hat’s off to KC for getting him to sign that deal. It’s only 2023, it’s already outdated, and they have him locked up for the next decade
 

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That's where you go wrong.

What is he, then? Another Jared Goff, Sam Darnold, Carson Wentz, etc.? Surely you aren’t serious.

4th in NFL QBR and 3rd in passer rating last year, both better than the other two highly rated “rookie contract / great supporting cast” QB’s. He’s been shedding the “can’t throw” label since all the way back to his Jr year at Bama when he was the backup.

If you don’t think he deserved the contract, then explain what Philly should have done differently. You wait a year, you’re paying $5-10 million per year more than you would if you didn’t. You try to sell high, you end up hoping for a draft day hit from late in the first round. You do nothing, he walks and you get nothing for him and you have to hope on the draft day hit.
 
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What is he, then? Another Jared Goff, Sam Darnold, Carson Wentz, etc.? Surely you aren’t serious.

4th in NFL QBR and 3rd in passer rating last year, both better than the other two highly rated “rookie contract / great supporting cast” QB’s. He’s been shedding the “can’t throw” label since all the way back to his Jr year at Bama when he was the backup.

If you don’t think he deserved the contract, then explain what Philly should have done differently. You wait a year, you’re paying $5-10 million per year more than you would if you didn’t. You try to sell high, you end up hoping for a draft day hit from late in the first round. You do nothing, he walks and you get nothing for him and you have to hope on the draft day hit.
A lot of QBs could have had success with that roster. People like to point out how Hurts runs, well, what about the throws he did not connect on to enable those runs? And not to mention runners eventually get hurt (see Jackson, Lamar). And you say Hurts deadlifts 3,000 lbs? I don't care, even superCam got hurt.

If Hurts left in a few years, you plug in the next guy.
 

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A lot of QBs could have had success with that roster. People like to point out how Hurts runs, well, what about the throws he did not connect on to enable those runs? And not to mention runners eventually get hurt (see Jackson, Lamar). And you say Hurts deadlifts 3,000 lbs? I don't care, even superCam got hurt.

All the money in that roster was in the defense. Hurts isn’t the beneficiary of that from an offensive efficiency standpoint. And Brown / Smith / Sanders are definitely not as good a trio as Chase / Higgins / Mixon or
as Allen / Williams / Ekeler, yet he still outperformed both those QB’s.

If Hurts left in a few years, you plug in the next guy.

First off, there is no “in a few years”. He was a 2nd round pick…..no 5th year option. 2023 is the contract year. With no deal this offseason he’d be either getting franchise tag and getting $50 million + in 2024 anyway - except with 100% of it counting against the cap. Or he’d be getting a far more expensive long term deal next offseason when Burrow / Herbert raise the salary roof once again, and he has all the leverage. Or, it would be the Jerry Jones option - get stuck doing the tag AND the more expensive long term deal.

Secondly, “just plug in the next guy” isn’t a historically wise bet to place against a 25 year old who just had an MVP runner-up season.
 
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