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It’s our fault.

”It says head coach Amy Williams punished her for Love’s abuse of power after teammates and Nebraska practice players created a scheme to confirm and record Scoggin’s presence in Love’s hotel room the night before they played at Penn State on Feb. 17, 2022.”

And,

”The lawsuit names Williams and Love as defendants, along with athletic director Trev Alberts and the university’s board of regents. It says they mishandled the situation, including after the ruse at Penn State.

“This ruse included a practice player falsely representing himself as Love to a (hotel) desk clerk in order to obtain Love’s room key,” said the lawsuit, which was filed Sunday in federal district court in Nebraska. “It ended in two team members confronting Ashley in Love’s room. They reported their findings and showed their video recording to Williams.””


Please take this opportunity to remember that Penn State has a culture problem.
 

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What stuns me about the whole thing is that a coach could somehow think he’d get away with sleeping with a player.

It is next to impossible to get rid of a tenured professor but sleeping with a student will do it right quick. I would be stunned if there wasn’t an explicit “NO” somewhere in HR documents for the Nebraska Athletic Program.
 
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What stuns me about the whole thing is that a coach could somehow think he’d get away with sleeping with a player.

It is next to impossible to get rid of a tenured professor but sleeping with a student will do it right quick. I would be stunned if there wasn’t an explicit “NO” somewhere in HR documents for the Nebraska Athetic Program.

The heart wants what the heart wants.
 
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This sounds corny....😂.....
kissed her and asked her, “Have you ever done anything with a coach before?”

Sounds like a line from Airplane
 

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OK. The man had a child rapist on his staff for 30 years. Him not knowing about it does not make it OK. The university did what had to be done in the middle of a giant storm facing the university. The man in question has passed. his family has moved on and know who he really was. It's time to move on.
 

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OK. The man had a child rapist on his staff for 30 years. Him not knowing about it does not make it OK. The university did what had to be done in the middle of a giant storm facing the university. The man in question has passed. his family has moved on and know who he really was. It's time to move on.
So you were responding to the subject line. Got it.
 

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OK. The man had a child rapist on his staff for 30 years. Him not knowing about it does not make it OK. The university did what had to be done in the middle of a giant storm facing the university. The man in question has passed. his family has moved on and know who he really was. It's time to move on.
well, the tact that tOSU, Um and Sparty took seems to have resulted in much less consequence. And you comment about Joe not knowing is "not OK" is foolish. These creeps don't exactly telegraph their activities plus the perp in question was fully investigated on at least one occasion, including to "sting" operations by the police.
 
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OK. The man had a child rapist on his staff for 30 years. Him not knowing about it does not make it OK. The university did what had to be done in the middle of a giant storm facing the university. The man in question has passed. his family has moved on and know who he really was. It's time to move on.
Your lack of understanding about what transpired could fill volumes. The BOT and administration threw Paterno under the bus to cover their respective you know whats. For starters, take a look at an appendix to the Freeh report where Paterno was asked for his comments on the retirement package negotiated by others. Next to the provision that gave Sandusky access to PSU facilities, Paterno wrote that he thought it was okay for Sandusky to have access but not Second Mile kids.
 

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Your lack of understanding about what transpired could fill volumes. The BOT and administration threw Paterno under the bus to cover their respective you know whats. For starters, take a look at an appendix to the Freeh report where Paterno was asked for his comments on the retirement package negotiated by others. Next to the provision that gave Sandusky access to PSU facilities, Paterno wrote that he thought it was okay for Sandusky to have access but not Second Mile kids.

You’re responding to a known troll. In the future, don’t.
 
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OK. The man had a child rapist on his staff for 30 years. Him not knowing about it does not make it OK. The university did what had to be done in the middle of a giant storm facing the university. The man in question has passed. his family has moved on and know who he really was. It's time to move on.

What would this man presume after he was told it was investigated by the local police, the district attorney, and the State Child Welfare agencies and found no evidence of a child being raped?
 
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What would this man presume after he was told it was investigated by the local police, the district attorney, and the State Child Welfare agencies and found no evidence of a child being raped?
I'm not arguing this. I find no fault with Joe other than his inability to see that a child rapist was in his midst for 30 years. I'm sorry, but if someone found that I had a child rapist working for me and my firm for 30 years, I would not expect them to name a street in my honor or build a statue out front. Wrong place/wrong time, but the man was raping children under his leadership.
 

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well, the tact that tOSU, Um and Sparty took seems to have resulted in much less consequence. And you comment about Joe not knowing is "not OK" is foolish. These creeps don't exactly telegraph their activities plus the perp in question was fully investigated on at least one occasion, including to "sting" operations by the police.
Much easier for those that followed us. Much.
 

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I'm not arguing this. I find no fault with Joe other than his inability to see that a child rapist was in his midst for 30 years. I'm sorry, but if someone found that I had a child rapist working for me and my firm for 30 years, I would not expect them to name a street in my honor or build a statue out front. Wrong place/wrong time, but the man was raping children under his leadership.
So, this person that worked for you, the accused child rapist, is accused, indicted, tried and found to be guilty, several year AFTER he stops working for you. And no one, DURING THE TIME he worked for you, ever came up to you and said "he is raping children". The only thing you have is a second hand account, which was watered down, of a situation that happened within an area of your employer's property that you may have responsibility for - but you don't own that area of the property, so even that is debatable. And you consult the HR book and it tells you what you are supposed to do, and you do it.

And then they fire you.

Would you then like all of us to say "Hey, Pennst8 was clearly aware that a child rapist was working for him".

Is that what you are looking for here?
 
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What stuns me about the whole thing is that a coach could somehow think he’d get away with sleeping with a player.

It is next to impossible to get rid of a tenured professor but sleeping with a student will do it right quick. I would be stunned if there wasn’t an explicit “NO” somewhere in HR documents for the Nebraska Athletic Program.

I too am shocked at the complete lack of foresight by this coach that he could do this and simply not end up ruining his career. I cannot fathom that someone would think they could get away with this but maybe that's just it, maybe he never expected to get away with it and his impulses were simply too strong for him to control? That's the only way I can make sense of something that just doesn't make any sense.
 
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So, this person that worked for you, the accused child rapist, is accused, indicted, tried and found to be guilty, several year AFTER he stops working for you. And no one, DURING THE TIME he worked for you, ever came up to you and said "he is raping children". The only thing you have is a second hand account, which was watered down, of a situation that happened within an area of your employer's property that you may have responsibility for - but you don't own that area of the property, so even that is debatable. And you consult the HR book and it tells you what you are supposed to do, and you do it.

And then they fire you.

Would you then like all of us to say "Hey, Pennst8 was clearly aware that a child rapist was working for him".

Is that what you are looking for here?
Agreed...with one exception. During that time he was once accused of something but after an exhaustive review, two psychologists, and two sting operations to try and catch him in the act, he was exonerated. (which the former employer may or may not have been aware) He was also the founder of one of the great at-risk boy's charities in the nation.
 
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Agreed...with one exception. During that time he was once accused of something but after an exhaustive review, two psychologists, and two sting operations to try and catch him in the act, he was exonerated. (which the former employer may or may not have been aware) He was also the founder of one of the great at-risk boy's charities in the nation.
OK, points taken. The key comment in your phrase was whether the former employer may or may not have been aware. However, there is a difference between the employer and manager of the employee being aware.
 
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So, this person that worked for you, the accused child rapist, is accused, indicted, tried and found to be guilty, several year AFTER he stops working for you. And no one, DURING THE TIME he worked for you, ever came up to you and said "he is raping children". The only thing you have is a second hand account, which was watered down, of a situation that happened within an area of your employer's property that you may have responsibility for - but you don't own that area of the property, so even that is debatable. And you consult the HR book and it tells you what you are supposed to do, and you do it.

And then they fire you.

Would you then like all of us to say "Hey, Pennst8 was clearly aware that a child rapist was working for him".

Is that what you are looking for here?
If I don't know that I have a child rapist among me for 30 years, then I AM the problem. Come on man. I understand the loyalty to Joe. However, you cannot build statues and name football fields for him considering the horror that was happening under his command.
 

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OK, points taken. The key comment in your phrase was whether the former employer may or may not have been aware. However, there is a difference between the employer and manager of the employee being aware.
Agreed. When a person is accused and wins, it is far more difficult to accuse them again. (not to be confused with being convicted and recidivism) You get into harassment, legal liability thereof, and exhaustion/insensitivity on the issue. If a person in a department keeps getting accused of something, the person right next to them can more easily conceal their illicit ambitions.

Are We Good Episode 8 GIF by Law & Order
 
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If I don't know that I have a child rapist among me for 30 years, then I AM the problem. Come on man. I understand the loyalty to Joe. However, you cannot build statues and name football fields for him considering the horror that was happening under his command.
complete BS. it happens all the time, especially with pedos. serial killers too. John Wayne Gacy got away with his stuff for decades.
 
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complete BS. it happens all the time, especially with pedos. serial killers too. John Wayne Gacy got away with his stuff for decades.
When it does happen, they don't build statues for the superior. Especially, if they superior worked side by side with said individual for 30 years.
 

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When it does happen, they don't build statues for the superior. Especially, if they superior worked side by side with said individual for 30 years.
The statue, in fact almost the entire body of work, were done way before anyone accused anyone of anything.

I am not sure what you are getting at. With all of the people that worked with JS, you were expecting Paterno to put on an overcoat, drive a crappy car and do an investigation? Why not the second mile? Don't you think they should have been taking notes and keeping a journal on what kids JS was hanging out with?

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If I don't know that I have a child rapist among me for 30 years, then I AM the problem. Come on man. I understand the loyalty to Joe. However, you cannot build statues and name football fields for him considering the horror that was happening under his command.
Prove you don't have a child rapist working for you, or are working for a child rapist. That is what you are asking after all.
 
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The statue, in fact almost the entire body of work, were done way before anyone accused anyone of anything.

I am not sure what you are getting at. With all of the people that worked with JS, you were expecting Paterno to put on an overcoat, drive a crappy car and do an investigation? Why not the second mile? Don't you think they should have been taking notes and keeping a journal on what kids JS was hanging out with?

university memory GIF
I'm not expecting anything. I simply choose not to honor this situation. Thankfully, so does my university.
 

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I'm not arguing this. I find no fault with Joe other than his inability to see that a child rapist was in his midst for 30 years. I'm sorry, but if someone found that I had a child rapist working for me and my firm for 30 years, I would not expect them to name a street in my honor or build a statue out front. Wrong place/wrong time, but the man was raping children under his leadership.

"Don't confuse me with facts; my mind is made up."

Pathetic.
 

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"Don't confuse me with facts; my mind is made up."

Pathetic.
Here are facts. Joe Paterno worked side by side with a child rapist for 30 years. Children and families will be affected by this for the rest of their lives. Because of these unfortunate facts, you don't get a statue or a field named after you. That's the way a society that cares about children and families works.
 
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