I can’t keep up, but….

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ckDOG

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Musk is far from fascist.

That particular F word gets thrown around a lot by people who don't know what it means.

Fascists are not free speech advocates. Fascist behavior on social media platforms is exactly what he's railing against right now.

He's more like the hypocritical college libertarian. Loves to rail against tax subsidies but historically had no problem benefitting from the.

A better example of anti free speech advocate...he lives in Florida and his name is not Trump.
 

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I've never really cared for the cut of his jib, and lately even less so. Bad vibes.
If you can’t respect the quality of accomplishments of someone like Elon Musk, then I don’t know what to tell you. I honestly think you just want to see the world burn around you.

There’s just no explaining how you could think of Elon freaking Musk as a fascist. That’s clown talk. Proof that some people’s opinion really shouldn’t matter.
 

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He's more like the hypocritical college libertarian. Loves to rail against tax subsidies but historically had no problem benefitting from the.

A better example of anti free speech advocate...he lives in Florida and his name is not Trump.

Charlie Crist? Good call.
 

ckDOG

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Neither House nor Senate is partisan or non partisan

You need the filibuster in the Senate. The house is partisan by design. The senate is supposed to be a check on that. You can't have the senate passing legislation on a 51 vote majority. If that's the case, you'll just see a cycle of new legislation intended to undo prior legislation. Requiring 60 votes requires bipartisanship, which is sorely needed in the senate. Liberals crying about nuking the filibuster are the same ones who used it hundreds of times under Trump.

Term limits, on the other hand, would be a nice thing to introduce.

House allocates power by population (tbh we need to increase from 435 - it has been set this way for far too long now and reps now have a historically high number of represented constituents allowing the polar extremes to get more attention than they deserve, but I digress). Senate allocates powers to the state simply by their existence as a state no matter how large or populated. It inherently allows small states, regardless of their ideology, the same amount of power and influence as larger states. If Vermont wants to support communist leaning policies, sorry, they'll get to influence the Senate same as Texas. Partisanship plays no part in that design since it would have been impossible to predict how Texas and Vermont wanted to govern when the Constitution was ratified.

I get the premise behind the 60 threshold to promote bipartisanship. It makes sense in theory but I have 3 problems with it. 1) it is used for obstructionism, not compromise in practice (also in appointment confirmation) 2) it amplifies an existing advantage by pure Senate design for the reasons stated above, and 3) if the founders intended there to be anything other than a 51 vote threshold, why did they grant the VP the tie break. Ties only exist at 50:50 with 100 senators.

Undoing of prior admins legislation is more than fine with me and would be a shorter term frustration. Legislation was never meant to be permanent anyhow. If we continue the 50:50 electorate split we see these days and go back and forth back and forth so be ii, but I feel it more realistic that actual partisan policy being passed will result in one party overtaking the other due to actual results from those passed policies. Put the talking points into practice let the chips fall as they may in that case.
 

ckDOG

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That's about right.

Trump platform = I'm not Biden: Biden platform = I'm not Trump ***

Remember that old South Park episode about having to chose between a giant turd and a **** sandwich. Here we are...
 

thatsbaseball

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"Of course, because everything somebody doesn't like must be fascist".

....or racist
 

ckDOG

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Do you think Congress will meet its baseline duties

Most congressmen are on record. People just don't pay attention enough for it to matter. That's why it's a bad idea to let 50%+1 decide to do destructive things to the rest of the country.

And work creates results even with the 60 vote threshold. Deciding to not do anything is a perfectly legitimate policy choice (and considering how often the federal gov't 17s things up, should be preferred as the default option).

...now that SCOTUS reigned in lazily delegating agency authority? Congress will actually have to pass meaningful well written policy to enable agencies to do their thing and measure whether they are operating as designed and authorized. Do you think that's going to happen with a 60 vote Senate threshold?

And 50%+1 being destructive is quite dramatic and probably coming from a partisan or hyper emotional context. You still have to get through House, President's pen, and the courts. Nothing destructive happens from simply 50 senators and a VP - way more goes into than that, thank God. But a lot of **** gets killed simply bc of 40 Senators and a stupid Senate rule. That's too much power.
 

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At least Trump doesn't limit free speech on his own social media platform. No, wait a minute he does. Maybe you should've written "...Florida along with Trump."
 

ckDOG

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Hah. Fair point.

At least Trump doesn't limit free speech on his own social media platform. No, wait a minute he does. Maybe you should've written "...Florida along with Trump."

Propose to rename Truth Social to TrumpTruth Social.
 

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Elon Musk is an odd dude who gets things done, and I respect that since I am also an odd dude.
 

mstateglfr

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The Great Plains must’ve really been a cesspool before European settlers wiped out the buffalo and caused the Dust Bowl (climate change).

Compared to modern cattle farming, perhaps animals per acre was just a slight bit less dense back when the guest plains existed.
 

mstateglfr

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There are many genders, men can get pregnant, my name is not Richard, it's Rachel, etc., etc... It's quite the parallel to Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm.

None of this makes the country better or worse. People who use it to divide others makes the country worse.

My kid's best friend now identifies as a boy and changed his name. Ok, fine. Still a great kid and still wicked smart.
It just doesn't make the world better or worse.
 

mstateglfr

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That particular F word gets thrown around a lot by people who don't know what it means.

Fascists are not free speech advocates. Fascist behavior on social media platforms is exactly what he's railing against right now.

Truth. Fascist is an often misused and overused term. It almost comes close to being misused 1/5 as frequently as 'socialist'. Let's hope it doesn't get to that point.
 
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