If Penn State goes 11-1, would that make it Franklin's best PSU team? Allar's place in PSU QB history?

[saturdaysarebetter]

If Penn State goes 11-1, would that make it Franklin's best PSU team? This team doesn't have the WRs the '16 and '17 teams did, but the OL is better. Both the '16 and '17 teams had two regular season losses. Four points was the margin of defeat for the '17 team to two ranked teams. Just six yards was all Penn State needed against Ohio State for 14 points. This year's team has been ranked high all year. The '16 team lost in the Rose Bowl and the '17 team won the Fiesta Bowl. Would a playoff win make it Franklin's best team?

Where do you rank Drew Allar's place in PSU QB history? He has not had the wide receiving corps the equal of many past Penn State QBs and his ball security touchdown-to-interception ratio is very good. Would you suggest he return for his senior season? Do you think he will?

 

[PSU Mike]

Given our best win at 11-1 would be at home against a team that currently has like 2 poll votes total …

let’s just say it would be a stretch to declare such after 12 games.

 

[WVilleLion23]

Ask again in several weeks, maybe

 

[NittPicker]

11-1?? I say no. Even with 3 total losses, the 2016 team was better IMHO. Get back to me if this team finishes at 15-1.

 

[Psumatt85]

If Penn State goes 11-1, would that make it Franklin's best PSU team? This team doesn't have the WRs the '16 and '17 teams did, but the OL is better. Both the '16 and '17 teams had two regular season losses. Four points was the margin of defeat for the '17 team to two ranked teams. Just six yards was all Penn State needed against Ohio State for 14 points. This year's team has been ranked high all year. The '16 team lost in the Rose Bowl and the '17 team won the Fiesta Bowl. Would a playoff win make it Franklin's best team?

Where do you rank Drew Allar's place in PSU QB history? He has not had the wide receiving corps the equal of many past Penn State QBs and his ball security touchdown-to-interception ratio is very good. Would you suggest he return for his senior season? Do you think he will?

Depends what they do in the playoff

 

[Nittering Nabob]

Where do you rank Drew Allar's place in PSU QB history? He has not had the wide receiving corps the equal of many past Penn State QBs and his ball security touchdown-to-interception ratio is very good. Would you suggest he return for his senior season? Do you think he will?

Still a tad too early to tell, but Drew (the remarkable healer) had an exceptional game vs. Warshington. Saw the field well and processed through his progressions.

I see other similar QB's out there, but all seem to need further development before declaring.

Of the Senior / NFL eligible QB's out there, I'm not really impressed.... Ward (no), Sanders (perhaps, but doesn't seem NFL durable), Nussmeier (perhaps, but might not be smart enough), Beck (a taller version of Tate Forcier), and Milroe (a runner at heart).

 

[LionJim]

Still a tad too early to tell, but Drew (the remarkable healer) had an exceptional game vs. Warshington. Saw the field well and processed through his progressions.

I see other similar QB's out there, but all seem to need further development before declaring.

Of the Senior / NFL eligible QB's out there, I'm not really impressed.... Ward (no), Sanders (perhaps, but doesn't seem NFL durable), Nussmeier (perhaps, but might not be smart enough), Beck (a taller version of Tate Forcier), and Milroe (a runner at heart).

“A taller version of Tate Forcier.” Very nice.

 

[ApexLion]

If Penn State goes 11-1, would that make it Franklin's best PSU team? This team doesn't have the WRs the '16 and '17 teams did, but the OL is better. Both the '16 and '17 teams had two regular season losses. Four points was the margin of defeat for the '17 team to two ranked teams. Just six yards was all Penn State needed against Ohio State for 14 points. This year's team has been ranked high all year. The '16 team lost in the Rose Bowl and the '17 team won the Fiesta Bowl. Would a playoff win make it Franklin's best team?

Where do you rank Drew Allar's place in PSU QB history? He has not had the wide receiving corps the equal of many past Penn State QBs and his ball security touchdown-to-interception ratio is very good. Would you suggest he return for his senior season? Do you think he will?

Purdue, Purdue, Purdont!

 

[WVilleLion23]

I really hope OSU game was a wake up call that trying to be gimmicky or whatever didn’t work out and that if and when we get to playoffs, go with what works best. Plus, I think Allar may not be as nervous as he was, because he definitely looked off a bit in terms of confidence and check downs

 

[razpsu]

If Penn State goes 11-1, would that make it Franklin's best PSU team? This team doesn't have the WRs the '16 and '17 teams did, but the OL is better. Both the '16 and '17 teams had two regular season losses. Four points was the margin of defeat for the '17 team to two ranked teams. Just six yards was all Penn State needed against Ohio State for 14 points. This year's team has been ranked high all year. The '16 team lost in the Rose Bowl and the '17 team won the Fiesta Bowl. Would a playoff win make it Franklin's best team?

Where do you rank Drew Allar's place in PSU QB history? He has not had the wide receiving corps the equal of many past Penn State QBs and his ball security touchdown-to-interception ratio is very good. Would you suggest he return for his senior season? Do you think he will?

If would be the best but that doesn’t rank allar in the top 10.

 

[Marshall2323]

"IF" PSU goes 11-1, I would say this is Franklin's best team. I believe this team would have handled Michigan under the old schedule this season.
I'm also not going to anoint Indiana until they play a legit opponent.
I wouldn't be surprised in addition to being his best team that 11-1 and a 1st round playoff win would make this Franklin's last PSU team.

 

[BobPSU92]

11-1 and a playoff berth would be an unmitigable failure.

 

[Connorpozlee]

I really hope OSU game was a wake up call that trying to be gimmicky or whatever didn’t work out and that if and when we get to playoffs, go with what works best. Plus, I think Allar may not be as nervous as he was, because he definitely looked off a bit in terms of confidence and check downs

On the contrary, I don’t think we were gimmicky enough against Ohio State. The gimmicks are a staple of this offense and they all but disappeared against them.

 

[WestSideLion]

"IF" PSU goes 11-1, I would say this is Franklin's best team. I believe this team would have handled Michigan under the old schedule this season.
I'm also not going to anoint Indiana until they play a legit opponent.
I wouldn't be surprised in addition to being his best team that 11-1 and a 1st round playoff win would make this Franklin's last PSU team.

He’d be as attractive a candidate for other jobs as he’ll ever be in your scenario. The question remains what top program is going to pay him $10 million a year long term for 10-2?

 

[JerseyLion]

Too bad we got stuck with OSU on the schedule instead of say......Rutgers. Then we could debate if this is the best PSU team ever

 

[Bvillebaron]

If would be the best but that doesn’t rank allar in the top 10.

So name the 10 Penn State QBs better than Allar.

 

[razpsu]

So name the 10 Penn State QBs better than Allar.

Collins
Blackledge
Fusina
Hufnagel
Lucas
Robinson
Mcsorely
Clark
Mills. Modified. lol
Shaeffer. Yep I said it. He lost one game in two years. 1!
Sacca
Mcgloin.
So allar is somewhere or could be somewhere near or at ten. He has 5-6 games left? Scoring zero touchdowns against osu doesn’t help. In two years, no wins against top 10-20? Teams.

 

[LB99]

Just my 2 cents but maybe losing to OSU was the best thing for this team. A wake up call and renewed focus on improving.

 

[Bvillebaron]

Collins
Blackledge
Fusina
Hufnagel
Lucas
Robinson
Mcsorely
Clark
Mcgloin
Shaeffer. Yep I said it. He lost one game in two years. 1!
Sacca
So allar is somewhere or could be somewhere near or at ten. He has 5-6 games left? Scoring zero touchdowns against osu doesn’t help. In two years, no wins against top 10-20? Teams.

Good list but spare me McGloin and Sacca.

 

[razpsu]

Good list but spare me McGloin and Sacca.

Sacca led the team to wins over several ranked teams and psu finished the season number 3 overall.
Mcgloin did more with less and became a pro for several years.

allar leads us to 2 wins in playoff I probably would put him above those two.

 

[bbrown]

I really hope OSU game was a wake up call that trying to be gimmicky or whatever didn’t work out and that if and when we get to playoffs, go with what works best. Plus, I think Allar may not be as nervous as he was, because he definitely looked off a bit in terms of confidence and check downs

I think they or at least AK did. Did you see all the Warren packages in the red zone against Washington? Also they let Warren throw it.

 

[bbrown]

If would be the best but that doesn’t rank allar in the top 10.

Not in the top 10 of PSU Qb’s?

mean he’s no Daryl Tate or Anthony Morelli or even Hack but he’s pretty good.

 

[Marshall2323]

He’d be as attractive a candidate for other jobs as he’ll ever be in your scenario. The question remains what top program is going to pay him $10 million a year long term for 10-2?

Well he is currently no better than #13 highest paid. Everyone assumes that James would only leave for what they consider to be a better or higher paying job. His perspective might be very different than that of a fan. Suppose his family is no longer happy here? How about if he wants to take a year to step away? What if he is simply tired of apologizing for 10 wins?
NIL might be more important than many other issues....Who knows?

 

[razpsu]

Not in the top 10 of PSU Qb’s?

mean he’s no Daryl Tate or Anthony Morelli or even Hack but he’s pretty good.

He is right above them. lol. He has no wins against top 15-20 teams. He also had the number 1 defense in the country and this year a pretty damn good defense as well.

 

[CbusLion]

Collins
Blackledge
Fusina
Hufnagel
Lucas
Robinson
Mcsorely
Clark
Mcgloin
Shaeffer. Yep I said it. He lost one game in two years. 1!
Sacca
So allar is somewhere or could be somewhere near or at ten. He has 5-6 games left? Scoring zero touchdowns against osu doesn’t help. In two years, no wins against top 10-20? Teams.

Nobody could accuse you of having recency bias.

Allar this year is a stud, making some really excellent plays in the pocket and beautiful throws. He would be a hands down Heisman frontrunner with top WR talent.

 

[razpsu]

Nobody could accuse you of having recency bias.

Allar this year is a stud, making some really excellent plays in the pocket and beautiful throws. He would be a hands down Heisman frontrunner with top WR talent.

lol. Sacca beat Cincinnati 81-0 then a week later he ran out of gas against number 2 Miami on the last drive. A lot of good beating cincy that much helped us.

Also, morelli the 5 star stud had the same receivers that Clark did. 2007 offense was terrible. 2008. Whole different team. Just sayin.

 

[bbrown]

Collins
Blackledge
Fusina
Hufnagel
Lucas
Robinson
Mcsorely
Clark
Mcgloin
Shaeffer. Yep I said it. He lost one game in two years. 1!
Sacca
So allar is somewhere or could be somewhere near or at ten. He has 5-6 games left? Scoring zero touchdowns against osu doesn’t help. In two years, no wins against top 10-20? Teams.

You lost me after Fusina and let's not pretend you are old enough to remember Richie Lucas, I don't think you are any older than me and I barely remember Hufnagel.
MO.
It goes
1. Collins
2.Blackledge
3. McSorley
4. Allar
5. Clark
6. Fusina
7. Robinson
8.Sacca
9. Zack Mills
10. Shaeffer/Sacca
I find the "No wins agains top 10-20 teams" argument disingenuous at best.
Also McGloin has more INT's in one game than Allar does in years.

 

[bbrown]

Sacca led the team to wins over several ranked teams and psu finished the season number 3 overall.
Mcgloin did more with less and became a pro for several years.

allar leads us to 2 wins in playoff I probably would put him above those two.

McGloin was a gutsy player I'll give him that. He also had a pro coach with pro passing concepts to help him out. But I'm going to disagree with the "he did more with less"
Could you imagine Allar with Allen Robinson on this team?
Hell Brandon Mosby Felder would probably be the #1 WR on this current team.

 

[LB99]

Sacca led the team to wins over several ranked teams and psu finished the season number 3 overall.
Mcgloin did more with less and became a pro for several years.

allar leads us to 2 wins in playoff I probably would put him above those two.

McGloin had one really good season with BO’B. Credit BO’B for that. Prior to that, McGloin struggled mightily.

 

[razpsu]

You lost me after Fusina and let's not pretend you are old enough to remember Richie Lucas, I don't think you are any older than me and I barely remember Hufnagel.
MO.
It goes
1. Collins
2.Blackledge
3. McSorley
4. Allar
5. Clark
6. Fusina
7. Robinson
8.Sacca
9. Zack Mills
10. Shaeffer/Sacca
I find the "No wins agains top 10-20 teams" argument disingenuous at best.
Also McGloin has more INT's in one game than Allar does in years.

Allar number 4. lol. You have got to be kidding me. Oh damn i forgot about mills. No way is he in front of fusina Clark or Robinson. He is not a big game qb. He can prove himself in the second round 3rd round of playoffs to move up.
Robinson and fusina and Lucas top 5 heisman. Schaefer beat 4 top 10 teams including 1 and 2 and played in 2 national champs. Clark’s 2008 was very good. 2009 beat lsu in bowl game . Could you imagine these guys with ak as oc instead of jaypa?

 

[razpsu]

McGloin was a gutsy player I'll give him that. He also had a pro coach with pro passing concepts to help him out. But I'm going to disagree with the "he did more with less"
Could you imagine Allar with Allen Robinson on this team?
Hell Brandon Mosby Felder would probably be the #1 WR on this current team.

I can. Call it hackenberg. With sanctions. Same record most likely .

 

[Karl_Havok]

Collins
Blackledge
Fusina
Hufnagel
Lucas
Robinson
Mcsorely
Clark
Mills. Modified. lol
Shaeffer. Yep I said it. He lost one game in two years. 1!
Sacca
Mcgloin.
So allar is somewhere or could be somewhere near or at ten. He has 5-6 games left? Scoring zero touchdowns against osu doesn’t help. In two years, no wins against top 10-20? Teams.

Ranking some of these guys like McGloin (who I love) as a better QB than Drew is definitely a take.

 

[Karl_Havok]

Well he is currently no better than #13 highest paid. Everyone assumes that James would only leave for what they consider to be a better or higher paying job. His perspective might be very different than that of a fan. Suppose his family is no longer happy here? How about if he wants to take a year to step away? What if he is simply tired of apologizing for 10 wins?
NIL might be more important than many other issues....Who knows?

Or he gets tired of PSU fans booing him at our own White Out when we are ranked #6 in the country.

 

[Marshall2323]

Or he gets tired of PSU fans booing him at our own White Out when we are ranked #6 in the country.

I can tell after speaking to a parent, it doesn't go over well. I think it sends a message to the recruits standing behind the ropes as well. Very unfortunate.

 

[Marshall2323]

Or he gets tired of PSU fans booing him at our own White Out when we are ranked #6 in the country.

But WE deserve better!

 

[razpsu]

Ranking some of these guys like McGloin (who I love) as a better QB than Drew is definitely a take.

I didn’t say that. What is funny is that every time we have a starting (name the position) they have to be the best. That is disingenuous to great players that came before them . So no allar isn’t on top 10 yet. Maybe he can be and let’s hope he wins 2 playoffs games at least. Until then he hasn’t beaten a ranked team.

 

[Nitt1300]

One PSU QB had two consecutive undefeated seasons- nobody else came close.

 

[AvgUser]

One PSU QB had two consecutive undefeated seasons- nobody else came close.

Shaeffer came close.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

Only three Penn State quarterbacks won two major bowl games:

Chuck Burkhart - ’69 and ’70 Orange Bowls
Tom Shuman - ’74 Orange and ’75 Cotton
Sean Clifford - '19 Cotton and '23 Rose

And before anyone mentions Todd Blackledge and his win over Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl, it wasn't till Penn State beat Miami in the 1987 Fiesta Bowl was the Fiesta Bowl considered a major bowl game.

 

[Nitt1300]

Shaeffer came close.

with one ugly bowl loss, but closer than anybody else