Apparently Tengwell was injured in warm-ups and did not play. Nourzad started but was injured in the second half and Eifner finished the game. Clifford was also hurt and did not finish the game. Saw where Tanner Morgan, after going 4/12, left in the 4th quarter during their game with Illinois with a head injury. How do these injuries impact the game against the Goophers?
Impact of Injuries on Minnesota game
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Announcers were saying it was shoulder. Franklin also said he was hurt, but did not specify.
Tengwall, Nourzad, or Effner. Doesn't really matter - throw any one of them in there and it won't determine if PSU wins or loses.
Clifford - who knows. He gets hurt every year and is 50% effective in half the games he plays in due to injuries. We probably won't know if he's playing or not until the first series on Saturday night.
If Tanner Morgan doesn't play, that is a huge blow to MN. I honestly believe we can beat MN (if they don't have TM) with either Allar or the Canadian playing qb for penn state.
With tengwall and nourzad banged up I'd like to see them move Wallace inside and have effner at OT.
We're gonna whoop on Minnesota even if all those PSU guys are out and Morgan is playing.
What's the difference? The program really is irrelevant these days with regard to the CFP. Slightly above mediocrity seems to be the ceiling, and surprisingly enough, some seem to be OK with this.
All they care about is keeping the stadium full. Not sure at what point fans give up if the program is perennially not competitive.
I used to be a rabid PSU fan and I’ve given up on going to games AND watching on TV. Life is too short to waste money on a mediocre product.
Completely sympathize with you. The dilemma for the AD is what is the (W-L) tipping point where tens of thousands of fans feel similarly.
I guess that’s the $64K question. Speaking of ADs, do you know why PSU/Barbour gave Franklin that huge raise and contract extension when he really hadn’t done anything to earn it? I know she’s not your favorite person, but I have a hard time believing she/PSU are so incompetent that they really believed he would leave for USC or another program if he didn’t cash in like he did. Has to be something more going on.
Yet you care enough to waste some of life making comments about it here. Go have a scone.
Of course I still care. I have fond memories of my time at PSU (which includes many football Saturdays, both home and away) and PSU football has been a big part of my life since the mid 80s. I’ll continue to talk about it here, but my feelings towards PSU have changed over the past decade or so and I’m not going to pay money to see a mediocre product or punish/frustrate myself by watching the football team underperform yet again.
A scone sounds good but I only like ‘em soft, like how Mocha Joe makes them.
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Everyone should have a scone. What’s your point?
Its easy to look at things in hindsight, but at the time it was the right decision (and it may yet turn out to be the right decision). Go back to mid Sept 2021 - Franklin was definitely one of the "hot, brand" names in the coaching community, despite what happened in 2020 with the covid team. More importantly, he was probably in the top 4 or 5 guys that could conceivably leave their current school for a better deal at another P5 school. Let's be real - Saban, Day, Swinney, and Smart aren't/weren't leaving their schools to jump to another P5 program.
So, Franklin fell into that next tier of "good" coaches who would possibly consider leaving their school for what might be perceived as a better opportunity to win a national title elsewhere. I said at the time and I still believe it, that the USC job is a (much) easier path to the playoff and national championship than PSU. That was the only opening that I thought Franklin might take. I truly believe that if CJF went to USC, he would finish in the top 5 of recruiting results annually and eventually turn that into on the field success.
Somebody with the purse strings at PSU decided that PSU was better with CJF than without him. I happen to agree, but understand rational people can have differing opinions. So, they decided to lock him up.
You may not like the terms of the contract, but it simply comes down to one simple fact - that's the going market rate (length and amount of $$) to lock up a top 10 coach.
If "locking Franklin up" was the entire premise of the new contract, in what way is Franklin now "locked up"?
100%. TM makes that team go and if he is not there, PSU has no excuse. White out, back up QB, etc, PSU should win by 2+ scores.
Please stop looking for something deeper, and just accept that some people are as stupid as they act.
I keep up on here, but just don't have the time to watch games. Typically, my 13-year-old has a travel soccer game and it seems to be conveniently timed so that it is the same time as the PSU games unless they are playing at 730.
Yeah but we will be able to go to some outhouse bowl and see how our second stringers fair against the opponent's starters (our first stringers will sit out for the draft).
That’s good advice, Tom, thanks.
I read what @PSUFBFAN wrote and see his/her/their point, but I still can’t reconcile why PSU would enter into a contract that not only pays a coach who, let’s face it, hasn’t proven himself worthy of such a lucrative salary but also locks the university into having to keep him no matter what. I could see if he had taken PSU to the championship, or even showed a ton of promise. But that never happened, and his inability to win big games pretty much speaks for itself.
I think Tanner Morgan easily clears concussion protocol and he and Kirk C combine to expose PSU's inability/unwillingness to defend the middle of the field, much like in PSU's last loss to Minn. That, coupled with the fact that Ibrahim is back from injury.
Kirk C is motivated and I can't say I blame him.
Kirk C is motivated and I can't say I blame him.
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A. Sandy and barren thought Franklin would turn things around based on past success.
B. Sandy and barren didn’t prioritize winning and liked other qualities that they felt Franklin brought to the program and Penn State as a whole.
C. Sandy and barren didn’t care since they were on their way out.
Call me naive, but I don’t believe C. I just don’t think Sandy and barren would stick it to PSU if they felt Franklin was a fraud or incompetent. I’m inclined to think it’s a combination of A and B.
While A and B are totally valid, they absolutely should not have handcuffed the university to a still unproven entity.
Scone, anyone?
I mean this honestly, concerning your last statement, does his buyout also comport with "market" these days? I see that Wisconsin's coach just settled for $11M, I believe Franklin's is $40?
I’ll agree with your opinion, but I believe there was another factor at play. Your A&B were what probably controlled the resident brain trust thinking. That caused them to fear the unknown of an unsuccessful hire more than a known commodity. They never placed the absolute totality of winning football games above the aspects they felt were more important in an educational environment.
Additionally they were matched against a very wily agent who adroitly used the Franklin to USC background noise like a conductor with a symphony. That combined with A&B above was a perfect storm. And being somewhat crude, neither of them were ever accused of being cost efficient and hesitant about spending money, especially since none of it was theirs.
Also I totally agree with C. They just were outmaneuvered by a better negotiator who created a situation that just perhaps never really existed. The coach from Oklahoma was USC’s first, second and third choice, and they were going to move Heaven and Hell to get him.
He is "owed every penny" because he has a contract, not because his performance has earned it.
What did I say? He's owed the yearly salary x the number of the years left on the contract if and when he's terminated.
The fact that you, me or anyone else wants to pass judgement, bellyache, cry or whatever.....well that clause just isn't in his contract. Section IX subclause a. If enough fans cry, coach can be terminated for $1.
I don't like the way PSU played either.....but it doesn't mean horseshit what I think and it has no impact on what happens this week.
I'll bet there are a lot of couch coaches here who aren't worth what they are paid......if they have real jobs. LOL
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