Is Alex Murdaugh guilty ?
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Yes, but I am not sure why he killed his wife and son. We will never know. I think there will be at least one juror who holds out for not guilty. So…I think it will be a hung jury. But some are saying the jury is hanging on to every word of some of the state’s witnesses.
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The only thing that can convict Elleck is Cousin Eddie's testimony...Word is Elleck confessed to him at the roadside shooting that he killed Maggie and Paul...But the defense will absolutely skewer Eddie and his credibility if he goes on the stand.Otherwise I see Hung Jury.
Does a wild bear **** in the woods
Actually, it’s the low country, powerful lawyer family, probably duck hunts with the judge…..he will walk
Not guilty is the verdict. I’m still not convinced he pulled the trigger.
It appears he was there around the time it happened. So if he didn't do it, he knows who did.
I think he's guilty - did it himself or paid someone to do it for him.
But will he be convicted is the real question.
But will he be convicted is the real question.
Yes, guilty. Convicted- don't know...
When you work so hard to show that you weren’t there, and then we find out you actually were there? Yeah, he’s guilty. He either did it himself or paid a friend to do it and he was there to make sure. But…is it enough to be found guilty? Maybe not. And that’s why the whole nation is watching. If it was an open and closed case it would all be over by now either way.
Guilty for sure...but regardless of the verdict, he will likely spend the rest of his life in jail for his financial crimes.
He lied about not being there, and told his Mother’s caretaker not to tell anyone how long he was at their house. Two big lies, makes me feel like he did it, if he didn’t, why the lies and cover ups.
At this point the state has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Murdaugh's "rock solid" alibi seems to have been blown out of the water!
I can't understand one murdering a son. Seems the motive is opoids. The story (and defense, it seems) is TWENTY YEARS OPOID ABUSE and imo, there is absolutely NO WAY that anyone, much less everyone, could not see his drug abuse. If anybody has seen up close what this addiction does, you may understand what I'm saying. But something ain't right here.
I just don't know if he'll be found guilty. Because of the influential power the Murdaugh family had in that area, the crime scene was not handled properly. Look at the masses of people allowed on the property and in the house that night and the following morning. Even when the boat crash happened, the Beach family was not allowed in the area when their daughter was still missing yet Alex and his wife were. That will be used against the state. Makes me sick but corruption reeks in this whole saga.
Technically, hearsay is one more person removed: For example, Someone told me that he confessed to them.
If the man confessed directly to him, it is admissible, and not hearsay. However….the jury has to decide if the witness is believable. Just because the guys says it doesn’t mean it’s true. And of course, as you suggested, a recording would make all the difference.
Without even seeing the defense yet, I believe the jury will either be hung or not guilty. The prosecutions window for everything is about 12 - 15 minutes. During that time, they say he got two weapons, shot his son twice with a shotgun (literally blew his own son's head off), walked through any lingering shot gun smoke, took the other rifle and shot his wife 5-6 times. He then somehow wrapped up both long rifles (or otherwise hid them sufficiently that the police could not find them)(and there was no place around the kennels to hide them) and then walked/trotted the 150+ yards (possibly while carrying said long guns) to the main house, he goes inside to get his phone, then goes back outside and gets in his car and drives to see his mother, all while calmly leaving voice messages to his wife, leaving ZERO dna or GSR in the house or vehicle. Now, during this time, someone has picked up Maggie's phone several times (the orietation changed to portrait when Alex called at 9:06)(My guess is Maggie glanced at the phone (not long enough to activate the camera), saw it was him and didn't answer as she had literally just seen him 4 minutes before, she was probably semi-annoyed as she was busy fiddling with the dogs). I think it happened between 9:07 and 9:31 (see below) which is well after he left. There is uncontradicted is evidence and testimony that he was at his mothers during this time. Maggie's phone is found the next day about .5 mile down the main road in the opposite direction of where Alex was going to see his mother. Alex's car records show that he went straight to/from his mothers. Again, he did all of this while not getting ANY DNA (blood/brains) or GRS anywhere on his shoes, clothes body, house, and vehicle. They are saying he committed the perfect murder, first time out, all in a matter of minutes, Using common sense, who on this board has ever done anything perfect their first time, let alone something as tramatic as killing your wife and son (especially in the manner they were killed). My guess is that two people were hired to kill Paul (Maggie was in the wrong place). They parked on the main road, took the short walk through the woods to the dog kennel, waited for Alex to leave, and a little after 9:00 (about 30 minutes after sunset) killed them both. They then took Maggies phone (as it had been going off) and dropped it in the woods on the side of the road as they went back to their vehicle. When the phone hit the ground at around 9:31:44 it "mysteriously" actived and is never activated again until it is found by the police the next morning. The vehicle was far enough down the country road, in the dusk, that it would not have been seen by someone pulling out of the driveway.
If found guily, I believe the judge has committed reversable error on several issues and any verdict will be overturned on appeal. Not sure how an attorney,(who by the way has/had a significant lawsuit against the defendant) who is a witness under subpoeana, can pay another witness who has testified, but also still under subpoena, for her testimony. Not sure how that is not witness tampering (even if after the fact). It will be interesting to see the cross examination today. I would not be surprised if a complaint has not already been filed with the Bar against that attorney.
My $0.02...
If found guily, I believe the judge has committed reversable error on several issues and any verdict will be overturned on appeal. Not sure how an attorney,(who by the way has/had a significant lawsuit against the defendant) who is a witness under subpoeana, can pay another witness who has testified, but also still under subpoena, for her testimony. Not sure how that is not witness tampering (even if after the fact). It will be interesting to see the cross examination today. I would not be surprised if a complaint has not already been filed with the Bar against that attorney.
My $0.02...
Ironically in my mind a failed polygraph points to him telling the truth....Harpootlian got the polygraph results of Cousin Eddie admitted in discovery..Eddie was asked "Did you shoot Maggie and Paul? Do you have knowledge of who did?" He answered no to both and apparently failed the polygraph....Which leads me to believe he knows who did it.....However, i realize this will not be admitted.Still makes you wonder what Eddie knows or has been told.
has the prosecutor identified him as a theft? Absolutely. Have they provided evidence that he murdered two people? No
I think this likely was the "perfect murder"...Either Elleck did it and they can't prove it or somebody else did it and looks like they will get away without even being under suspicion.
To me there is no question 1. He had it done while he was at the scene. 2. Killed they both himself.
With the evidence given so far there is No way he was not evolved in some way.
With the evidence given so far there is No way he was not evolved in some way.
That will not be the reaction. Different dynamics at work.
I believe he is guilty of being involved in the murder in some way.. whether he pulled the trigger or paid someone to.
I am beginning to believe that there will be a hung jury or an outright acquittal. I haven't watched every minute of the trial, but from what I've seen, I'm not convinced the prosecution has done enough to make 12 jurors vote for conviction.
I am beginning to believe that there will be a hung jury or an outright acquittal. I haven't watched every minute of the trial, but from what I've seen, I'm not convinced the prosecution has done enough to make 12 jurors vote for conviction.
In my mind there is tons and tons of 'reasonable' doubt. State hasn't proven diddly.
Not guilty. / On the other hand people are so stupid these days it would not surprise me if they found him guilty of the JFK murder. I'm serious.
Not guilty. / On the other hand people are so stupid these days it would not surprise me if they found him guilty of the JFK murder. I'm serious.
So answer these questions.
Why did he say he was Not at the kennels with Paul and Maggie after Supper ?
Where is the 3rd brown AR rifle that his family used as late as March 2021 that Ammo matches the ones that killed Maggie ?
Why did he erase multiple calls off his phone ?
Where are the clothes he was wearing late that afternoon ( In Snap Chat )
The odds of acquittal or mistrial seem good. I can see why the state had to bring this to trial, but there's a lot of murkiness in this matter.
Another question arises, if he is convicted and the conviction is vacated due to judicial error, would the state retry him? I wouldn't see the point.
All that aside, I think he's culpable for these deaths.
Another question arises, if he is convicted and the conviction is vacated due to judicial error, would the state retry him? I wouldn't see the point.
All that aside, I think he's culpable for these deaths.
He had a chance to accept a plea deal,admitting to the murders and financial crimes for a 30 year all in one sentence...He refused and chose to roll the dice...If he gets off of the murder charge how much time will he get on the financials alone?
He'll get out of jail a lot sooner for those than he would for the murders (probably never on those). But what would he be going home to?
I think that's why he chose to fight tooth and nail on the murder charges.....He knows he's going to spend a long long time in jail for the financials..He has admitted to just about all them already....But at least he'll possibly salvage some relationship with Buster and his siblings if he's not found guilty..They'll possibly forgive the thefts.....The murders I don't think so.
Even if he's found gulity, his family probably will never believe he did it.