Is this Tweet fair?
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from the fan UPSTATE? LOL NO. They're still butt hurt over the loss to us. Meanwhile, clem is 3 and 2 so they better clean up their own backyard. With Dabo's stubbornness about the transfer portal and NIL issues, their honeymoon might be the one that's over.
you are what your record says you are so...
Muschamp wasn't handed the dumpster fire that Shane inherited from him.
Fair, yes. Tell the whole story, no. Muschamp peaked at year 2. I may be alone, but I believe Beamer will struggle next year (unless he has a monster transfer portal for OL and DL), but as I said, if he can keep the OL class together I believe you will see the start to a consistent climb in year 5.
It was pretty darn bad though, wasn't it? That was the team that lost to the citadel, right?
It's factually correct, and I agree the honeymoon is probably over. But the comparison is fairly useless. Gene Chizik won a national championship in his 2nd season at Auburn, but nobody thought Auburn pulled the trigger too quickly when they fired him 2 years later.
Will Muschamp took the Gators to the Sugar Bowl during his 2nd year at Florida. After that, he sucked hard there and they fired him. He followed that pattern by taking the Gamecocks to 9-wins in his 2nd season here, but after that, he sucked hard so we fired him. Beamer's first two years were pretty good. But if he sucks as hard as Muschamp did over the next 3, he'll be gone too.
Will Muschamp took the Gators to the Sugar Bowl during his 2nd year at Florida. After that, he sucked hard there and they fired him. He followed that pattern by taking the Gamecocks to 9-wins in his 2nd season here, but after that, he sucked hard so we fired him. Beamer's first two years were pretty good. But if he sucks as hard as Muschamp did over the next 3, he'll be gone too.
Yes, they did. But that team was officially without a coach and had given up on the season. It's not as if there wasn't any talent at all left on that team.
Well, this tweet compares the same starting period.
Your "whole story" involves what happened with Muschamp vs what we think will happen with Beamer.
I guess to be fair, we have to wait years to really compare them without speculation.
It’s factual in terms of the record. But the fallacy is the assumption that Beamer will be similar in year 5 bc he was after 2.5 years. That’s not a fair assumption. His 3rd year isn’t even over yet.
It's fair. As I've already stated, the next 14 months will tell the tale. I'm pulling for him.
I would say it’s fair to give him a full 3rd year before saying the honeymoon is over.
What anyone says at whatever point is of no consequence. It's all going to be determined between the lines - by him and what he produces.
Yep. Feels like he’s close. The OL is being fortified. Need to grab some portal DTs, and Trav has to his the trail hard. Think we’ll be fine at edge.
Hope and prayer isn't a plan. I've seen enough of our DC, RB and LB coaching to conclude they are not SEC calibre.
At this point, somewhat fair, if we end up 4-8, with the exception of only the most loyal diehards, then yes the honeymoon is over
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With all of the OL injuries, it seems like we've taken a step back. Hopefully those guys can get healthy and we can have a solid line for once
You're hoping and praying our recruiting pans out, especially through the portal. Based on prior results, there is nothing to indicate a portal break out this winter.
LOL. That's recruiting my guy. Let me know when you find the recruits that are a guaranteed lock to high level SEC players. Every program in the country is hoping recruits pan out. Weak take.
I will wait to see, but Muschamp went 7-6 in his 3rd season. I don't see how this team can possibly get to 7 wins.
I get it, but that OOC schedule was weak. Coastal (before they got good), Akron, & Chatt. Then of course getting blanked 28-0 in the bowl game against UVA. Might be a better record, but perhaps not a better team.
But it's irrelevant in my opinion to make that comparison after year 3. Coaches are still cycling through the previous coaches players that got them fired (see our OL). If Beamer and Muschamp are still equal after year 4 then it's fair game.
The loss to North Carolina, the manner of it, was a disgrace.
True. It was not as bad on the scoreboard as the UVA bowl loss, but we took an absolute beating.
The UVA beating was much worse, and embarrassing. This UNC team is so much better than that UVA team was, and it's not even close.
Muschamp took over from a team that lost to The Citadel and was 3-9. It was pretty dang bad.
I mean, how long does a honeymoon last? I'd argue the honeymoon ended in year one during the Texas A&M game. The honeymoon being over isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Talking about Muschamp's or Beamer's? Muschamp's was worse in my opinion. Up 20-9 heading into the 4th and just completely crap the bed and blow an 11 point lead. That UNC team wound up going 6-6 on the year. Just terrible.
To me, the honeymoon phase is putting up with nonsense and giving them a chance to figure it out. That's always felt like year 3 to me. You go from honeymoon, to accountability, to "we need to talk". I'll give him the rest of the year to figure something out without jumping off the wagon. If miss a bowl, the seat should be hot in year 4. That's when it's "this is the expectation. Meet it or we have to move on."
Yeah, they both inherited huge messes. For my mental well being, I'd rather not argue that one. lol
Personally I'd define the honeymoon as the time period where the coach is not subject to (much) criticism while he's figuring things out. I think that ended in year one with the offensive struggles. How we define that is just semantics though.
How we finish this season is really important. If things spiral out of control, year 4 will be very warm for Beamer that's for sure. Hopefully this bye week gives them a chance to nail down what we do well and mask the things we do poorly.
The Virginia loss was disgraceful, but that was then. This year, we were supposed to be on the rise. There was increased confidence in the energetic, young coach's program that was seriously undermined by that performance.
Muschamp was never as intrinsically liked as Beamer. Beamer's standing is imperiled now, and if the regime is eventually buried, the first nail was the UNC debacle.
We've already reached the stage where someone will have to be offered up, probably multiple someones.
You cannot be ranked near the bottom of most major offenses and defensive categories without someone being on the chopping block.