Is this Tweet fair?
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Yes he's likable, Yes he says the right things, but at the end of the day, what matters above all is the product on the field.
For all the excuses that are given up (apparently an inexhaustible supply), there is no denying what we have seen this year is disappointment on both sides of the ball. And that is the bottom line
It's true and it's disappointing to see how we've cratered on talent in Year 3. Yes, I know there's losing players to the portal and to injuries etc. But the RB room should not fall apart b/c you lose on player. The WR room should not fall apart b/c you lose one player.
Shane's saving grace, so far, has been getting big wins when absolutely necessary. In Year 1 we blew out UF (even though UF sucked, blowing out UF is still a big deal for us) and then put on a show against UNC in the bowl game. Year 2 we had the back-to-back top 10 wins. I don't know if his luck runs out this year or not. Spurrier's run started somewhat similarly. Our overall records his first few years were not great. We were straight up mediocre his first 5 years (35-28) but he mixed in wins over UT, UF and UGA that made the fans feel like progress was being made, even if the final record didn't reflect it. Shane has managed to do somewhat similar. Frankly, a 6-6 record this year with a win over Clemson would probably be enough to keep the fan base mostly content. Our record this year won't be great, but he needs that one key win to keep the spirits buoyed.
It's true. But when Muschamp got "his players" in they got worse. That remains to be seen with Beamer. He's on a long leash, but his staff are not. The very thing that helped him out so much last year, the portal, is killing him this year. The portal has ruined CFB.
We lost 3 RBs. Of course we lost Lloyd, Rashad Amos transferred, and Lovasea Carroll retired due to medical issues.
I would disagree with the portal ruining CFB. It's created a ton of parity. You look at the top 12 today, I think any of those teams could win the NC this year. I'd much rather have that scenario than one where only 2-3 teams have a legit chance to win it.
I agree with you, but if we had the other two we probably wouldn’t have felt the need to move DK around again.
So you're saying that Clemson is cycling out and the Gamecocks are cycling in?
Everything favors bigger markets. That's why they're bigger. Doesn't mean it can't be of great value to smaller ones. UK had a QB need and got a multi year starting QB from a similar team in the ACC. DJU & Fenwick transfer to OSU and has them ranked #15. OM has a slew of transfers. CFB is a much better product when more than 2-3 teams have a chance at a NC.
What would you define as usual suspects? TX hasn't been relevant in 20 years. Same for SoCal. FSU has been down a while. Michigan last won a NC in 1997. PSU was 1987. I would say all of those are on par with UGA/OSU. It's kind of wild that we're not really even talking about Bama.
Just saying some teams are only 1/3 of the way through their season. My suspicion when the dust settles is you'll have typical teams up there. By "typical" I don't mean just those teams that have been dominant in the past decade. But you're not gonna see Kentucky, Wake, Rutgers and Arizona in the CFP. Might be some different blue bloods than it has been in the past several years, but it'll be blue bloods and elites nonetheless. I think the portal may expand the number of blue blood/elite teams who contend for the title, but it's not gonna turn teams like us into contenders as some thought it might.
Did he beat Clemson in their own back yard during his tenure? Did he not lose to a 3-9 UT team? Must-rat may know defense but he was never HC material.
I don't think so. I mean Muschamp had Deebo Bryan Shi (which he recruited) and Hayden not to mention Rico all in the NFL on the same team and really made them look average. Meanwhile Beamer took a team that won 2 games and projected to do about the same to a bowl in his first two year. Which not many players have been drafted off his teams compared to the talent Muschamp inherited.
Those guys go out of their way to troll USC. Muschamp, as bad as he ended up being, had the best 3 year start in our history. lol These guys out here trying to make it out like Beamer sucks b/c he's in line with Muschamp in year 3. Just b/c he's with WM in year 3, doesn't mean he will be in 4-5.
It pisses me off every time I see how many players WM put in the league. It's baffling.
So far, we rank 11th to 13th in the SEC in every meaningful category except passing yards. We can't score, but we make up for it by letting our opposition score a lot.
Never understood the optimism about this season given all the players lost to graduation and the portal. A losing record seems likely to me; 6-6 would be nothing short of miraculous.
I do think Beamer can be successful here, but it's likely to be the trajectory of Stoops at Kentucky. He'll eventually have teams that are competitive and have winning records every season, but I don't see either Kentucky or Carolina ever being national powers. Spurrier had a nice, but brief, run over three seasons, but the SEC wasn't as tough as it is now. T
To have even moderate success fans will have to be patient. Don't know if they will be though.
I do think Beamer can be successful here, but it's likely to be the trajectory of Stoops at Kentucky. He'll eventually have teams that are competitive and have winning records every season, but I don't see either Kentucky or Carolina ever being national powers. Spurrier had a nice, but brief, run over three seasons, but the SEC wasn't as tough as it is now. T
To have even moderate success fans will have to be patient. Don't know if they will be though.
Fair points. However, I think Stoops is the most overrated, overpaid coach in college football. He's been there 10 full years and has 2 winning seasons in the SEC. His SEC record is 34-50. Even when you take out his first 3 disastrous seasons, he's 28-30. Since he's been there Louisville has essentially been a G5 team. Then they schedule 3 other directional teams to ensure a 4-0 OOC record. Dude wins 3 or 4 SEC games and gets the 9th ranked salary in the country. He's Rich Brooks + 1/2 SEC wins, which just happens to coincide with HBCs end of career slide and the Muschamp era.
To compare to Stoops, he went 2-10, 5-7, and 5-7 in his first three years. Beamer is much further ahead, so I don't think it's a matter of 6-7 years. I do feel like Beamer is really close.
They're about to lose 5 of their last 7.....maybe 6. Louisville is much better than they've been, and the game is in Lou.
I think the comparison is very fair. If Beamer's numbers were better, say 21-10 vs. Muschamp's 18-13, fans would be pointing to the numbers as proof that Beamer is a much better coach, even if the extra wins came against weak teams. Beamer didn't inherit a weaker roster than Muschamp did, they were about the same as far as talent. I recall hearing how Spurrier inherited an empty roster from Lou and how Lou inherited an empty roster from Scott.
Carolina has a long, very long, history of mediocre football. I don't see that changing. Even with Steve Spurrier as head coach, outside of four seasons where Spurrier caught recruiting lightning in a bottle, gamecock football was mediocre. Carolina may want to adopt the Iowa model and keep a coach for many years and accept that there probably aren't going to be many, if any, championships and hope for some good seasons here and there and enjoy the game day experience. If Beamer stays likeable and can consistently have 7 to 8 win seasons with an occasional 9 or 10 win season when he hits on a star player or two, that should be good enough.
Carolina has a long, very long, history of mediocre football. I don't see that changing. Even with Steve Spurrier as head coach, outside of four seasons where Spurrier caught recruiting lightning in a bottle, gamecock football was mediocre. Carolina may want to adopt the Iowa model and keep a coach for many years and accept that there probably aren't going to be many, if any, championships and hope for some good seasons here and there and enjoy the game day experience. If Beamer stays likeable and can consistently have 7 to 8 win seasons with an occasional 9 or 10 win season when he hits on a star player or two, that should be good enough.
They could beat Missouri, miss st, us and Louisville and end up with 9 regular season wins too.
Not saying it'll happen, just that they will probably end up with 7-9 wins, the fans will settle and be happy, and he gets more money because of lowered expectations.
Sure, they could. I think Missouri is much better than them and will beat them by 2 TDs. I don't see them beating us at home. In Lex, maybe. But not at home. LOU will be interesting.
Saw a crazy stat where he has 2 wins in his 10 years against teams with a winning SEC record. He relied on USC, UT, and UF taking big steps back and he capitalized on it. Brooks was competing against Holtz, HBC, HBC again, Fulmer, and Meyer. Stoops wouldn’t be any different if the East didn’t turn into a 10 year dumpster fire.
I agree. We were never destined to win an SEC championship using any format. Something over .500 should guarantee a coach's security until he dies.
Overall. 7-5 seasons. They would name the next stadium after him and whatever street runs by it - sometime around 2150. Bear in mind, nine-game SEC seasons plus playing UPC the way we do now (outside the conference) would make 7-5 a little tougher, but that would impose ecstacy on this whipped fanbase.
There are times I wonder if that's what we should be aim9ng for anyway. I know it's so.ewhat defeatist. But I don't see us suddenly being an NIL player, and I wonder if we shouldn't aim for being the Iowa of the SEC.
Aiming for 7-5 would be a fatal mistake. We have to aim for 12-0 to GET to 7-5. If our GOAL were 7-5, we'd average 4-5 wins per year.
Muschamp’s program and Beamer’s are light years apart. In Muschamp’s last three games as head coach here his defenses surrendered an average of 52 points, going on memory here. LSU,
T A&M, and Ole Miss. Dumpster F’ing fire. While their records are almost identical, and Muschamp had a few nice wins - Tennessee twice, Florida, and Michigan. He never beat CU. His program was heading down the drain at 2-5 in his fifth year, which got him fired. Bender has overachieved at USC by any measure.
T A&M, and Ole Miss. Dumpster F’ing fire. While their records are almost identical, and Muschamp had a few nice wins - Tennessee twice, Florida, and Michigan. He never beat CU. His program was heading down the drain at 2-5 in his fifth year, which got him fired. Bender has overachieved at USC by any measure.
You're comparing ones 5th year the others 3rd year.
It would be better to compare their same years. 3rd to 3rd, etc.
One followed a Hall Of Famer. The other followed a Hall Of Doofus. Is the tweet fair? What do you think?
So you think their programs are equal thru two seasons? Beamer has defeated Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, UNC, and most importantly Clempsun. The team chemistry and culture are so much better. Is Beamer above criticism? The answer is no! Satterfield was a mistake, and they fixed that after the UF game last year, and he moved on. Questions still linger on this staff about DC, RB, and OL. I’ll take Beamer over Muschamp any day!!! Beamer is a work in progress. Muschamp failed at two SEC programs.
The NIL does not do us any favors. The portal should though. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The best we can hope for is to be an annual Top 20 or Top 15 program with an occasional "magical" season of finishing in the Top 10. That will be about as good as it will get for us.
And regarding this season: if it turns out to be a bummer (I expected 7-5; but that's not looking promising now), I believe that there will be multiple coaches on both sides of the ball out of here. Then Tanner better open the check book to bring in quality replacements.
Beamer will be given as much of a chance as Muschamp. And Muschamp was given a 5th season here.
Through two seasons? That's a good question. I remember there being a LOT of good vibes after muschamps 2nd year. There wasn't the 2 top 10 wins, but the 9 wins and the bowl win over Michigan had a lot of people happy.
I'd give it to Beamer at that point though. You're right.
Muschamps 3rd year was 7-6, and he lost the Belk bowl. I think we have our work cut out for us equaling that this year.
My thought though, was not to compare muschamps 5th year with beamers 2nd. Not apples to apples, imo.
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