It begins! Paris mentioned as candidate to replace Howard at Michigan
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I would wager that < 20% of our fan base is old enough to recollect us being in the ACC. And that’s probably being extremely generous.
It’s a totally meaningless and inconsequential event. It’s like a guy and girl who date for six months and then break up. One moves on but the other is stuck on the relationship as if it was a major life event. Years later, they are still dwelling on it while the other person has moved on, gotten married, and had kids and built a whole wife.
Who cares? There hasn’t been a less consequential event in the history of sports.
Countering perceived hyperbole with minimization will work with a few people who didn't see the catastrophe.
A vets PTSD is a way bigger issue than a coaches #%+ salary.
I hope you have the opportunity to tell the coach that when his dad was in the USMC and his brother was in the USAF.
Your statement is crap
When did I compare PTSD to a coach’s salary?A vets PTSD is a way bigger issue than a coaches #%+ salary.
I hope you have the opportunity to tell the coach that when his dad was in the USMC and his brother was in the USAF.
Your statement is crap
Hey, if we can compare us leaving the ACC to WWII, I can compare our fans getting over it to vets getting over Viet Nam.
And, just to be clear, this is not a comparison to PTSD. Vets who have gotten over it are not suffering from PTSD.
PTSD and experiences from any war are not trivial. No one ever gets “over it”.
That fact that you have be so pompous to think it’s not a big deal shows how much of an *** you are.
Go to a VFW or an American Legion Post, ask them if they get over it. Ask a vet from the recent war on terror how many of their buddies didn’t get over it. Ask how long it’s gonna take the military personnel who have been attacked in the last few weeks….how long it’s going to take them to hurry up and get over it
Please please continue to show how you no understanding or compassion on this matter
I certainly remember it and miss the hell out of it. Those ACC Basketball days were off the charts. The Beatles were big but Carolina Basketball was 10 times bigger. For me, nothing sports related has compared to it since.
For the record since you are still keeping the struggle real for yourself, I did not read the messages after your post.
The crickets
are still waiting on you
For the record since you are still keeping the struggle real for yourself, I did not read the messages after your post.
The crickets
I stand firmly by everything I have ever said.
I hope no one in your family is ever putting a pistol in their mouth
Enjoy that ivory tower
If it ever came to that, the least concern I would have is anything I or anyone else ever posted on a sports forum.
I can certainly understand the sentimentality for the extremely small percentage of our fan base who is actually old enough to have substantive memories of that time.
Though, I think the few of our fans who are actually old probably remember the McGuire tenure more than they actually remember our ACC tenure. Our first 13 years in the ACC were unspectacular to say the least. Overall we had 3 good years in the ACC. I suppose the fact that our 3 good years came at the very end lend to those being the years that are remembered and not the mediocre or bad years that happened prior to that.
I suppose I get the "what might have been?" if we had stayed in the ACC under McGuire, but I doubt we would have performed much better that we did as an independent with an easier schedule.
So, yeah, I get being sentimental, particularly since most fans who are old enough to have any significant memories would have been young at the time and sports takes on a much greater magnitude when you're younger. But I don't get the fans who act as if it we still haven't recovered from leaving the ACC.
I would say that's an overly pessimistic view.
My gut is that he will stay. We may not be one of the handful of destination jobs in college basketball, but we are in arguably the top conference and he's turned us into a winner in 2 years. We're not a destination job, but we're not small potatoes either when it comes to what we can offer financially. He seems to have the mentality that he wants to succeed somewhere that isn't traditionally successful (just inferring from things he has said). And I think Dawn is a pretty big recruiting chip for him in that respect.
That said, I would not be totally stunned if he left. I'd be a bit surprised but not stunned. I'd be more worried if Wisconsin were really struggling, but they are not. OSU is not doing very well, but I don't know what his sentimental ties are to the state beyond being born and raised there.
But you are the one who used it as an example on a sports forum. The fact you still don’t see it as a terrible example speaks volumes.
That percentage yet exists to a larger measure than you appreciate, Junior. It doesn’t live vicariously on social media as does that ‘larger’ fan base you have declared, but it very much exists. And it doesn’t expect the current crop of masters of the universe to ‘get’ much of anything it didn’t experience, as reality only began at the moment of their awareness, obviously.
‘Sentimental’ lol. You have no idea.
Our last season in ACC season was 53 years ago. Realistically, you'd have to be at least 63 to potentially have any meaningful memory of that season. Even so, I doubt any 10 years olds were emotionally crushed at us leaving the ACC.
To have any serious memory of us leaving the conference AND to have an appreciation for the circumstances and implications, someone would likely have to be close to 70 or older. The average adult lifespan in the United States is in the upper 70s. So, yes, I can say those fans who have substantive memories of us in the ACC make up an extremely small percentage of the fan base.
Even if you drop that age to 65, so that person would have been 12 when we left the ACC, take a look at the percent of the population that is 65 and older or under 65: https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/ Even so, it's highly doubtful a 12 year was emotionally scarred for life by us leaving the ACC 53 years ago.
The vast majority of fans who come on and bloviate about our days in the ACC are much younger than 70 (or 65) and probably weren't even alive or not old enough to have meaningful memories of it.
There's some weird machismo thing among our fan base about pretending you remember the good old days in the ACC.
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And I am not referring to any particular poster here. Over the years our fans have brought this up over and over again like it's something that happened fairly recently. So many of our fans act like they have PTSD from us leaving the ACC. Soldiers got over Viet Nam faster than some of our fans have gotten over us leaving the ACC.
Is this not your post?
Are you now trying to rewrite your statement Vietnam vets “getting over” their issues, is not a reference to trauma , aka PTSD?
You use the vets as an example for the PTSD stated in the previous sentence.
That in turn would mean you think vets having PTSD is just ******** and they need to get over it.
But I avoided the Viet Nam PTSD reference.
In any event, it was a tongue-in-cheek comment in reference to the fragility of our fan base when it comes to our ACC departure. I made no statements diminishing the reality of soldiers experiencing PTSD. You inferred something negative that I did not say. That's on you.
A simple vet like me has nothing on the professional
artists like you. You must sling loads of for a living The amount of cologne you have to wear must be overwhelming
To belabor the point...
I'm 70. I was in high school when John Roche was at Carolina, I attended McGuire's camp, called clinics, in those days, and had the amazing experience to be on the floor with those guys. Kevin Joyce was the speaker at my high school's basketball end of season banquet. My football coach was Dick Sheridan.
There are plenty of others like me. Plenty. We started coming on these boards many years ago for information and to discuss the sports themselves. Now we don't because the boards now are populated with individuals like you who view it as a personal soapbox and are too impressed with themselves to smell their own immature pomposity, so you likely are unaware of our existence. Bloviate indeed.
Why does it bother you so much that those of us who were indeed around back then have the perspective to appreciate both the magical intensity of those basketball years and the folly of South Carolina's decision to leave the ACC in both basketball and football?
It was well over a generation ago. We had one memorable season in football in the ACC and 2 or 3 memorable basketball seasons. It's just a bit of the "good old days" syndrome to refer to the entire period as magical. We had losing conference records in both football and basketball. Our first 13 years in basketball were awful in the ACC. Just not seeing the magic there.
It matters not if I was alive to experience it. I can look at the numbers and the numbers don't lie. We just weren't that good in the ACC.
And, really, I don't care if folks want to be wistfully reminiscent about those days. We all romanticize our youth. It's part of human nature. I just don't see the value in posters bringing it up on here as if it is a contemporarily relevant issue.
Sure it does. You've proven it. A man with an experience has the edge over a man with an argument every time. If you know, you know. It also has to do with a reasonably foreseeable future at the time we left. We had finally reached a point of competitiveness and we were playing teams we hated and who hated us. Nobody on this board today will live long enough to see us in that situation in the SEC with respect to the two top sports. We might hate some of them, but all they will ever be able to muster for us is condescension and contempt.
The numbers just don't back it up. If your primary argument is "you weren't alive, so you don't know what it felt like", then fine, I'll grant you that. But anyone can go look up our records online. I'm sure it was sad and all that to break up our rivalries, but, come one, we have 14 all-time wins against UNC in basketball. Doesn't seem like much of a "rivalry". Just feels like the ACC basketball version of our "rivalry" with UGA in football.
But it's not. There was, and still is, for many of us, an emotional component to playing UNC in all sports that playing Georgia never has possessed, and until I see different, never will. And as I explained on another thread:
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Coach Paris has already proven his value. Pay him now before Ohio State or Wisconsin takes him away.
But it's not. There was, and still is, for many of us, an emotional component to playing UNC in all sports that playing Georgia never has possessed, and until I see different, never will. And as I explained on another thread:
Paid him now! - Page 4 - On3
Coach Paris has already proven his value. Pay him now before Ohio State or Wisconsin takes him away.www.on3.com
I'm not arguing that. I conceded the sentimental/emotional component. The ACC was just such a brief time in our history. Even for those who have recollections of it, almost all of those fans can only recollect a portion of the time. You'd have to be at least 80 and have a fantastic memory to remember all of our time in the ACC. I suppose that is the issue. Fans who are in the 70 year old range really just recall those last 2 or 3 years in basketball when we were really good, even though that was not representative of our time in the conference.
To this day, I am unable to generate that level of hatred for clemmons. To me they’re annoying and arrogant, but relatively harmless, for me personally. I just don’t care about them.
Tobacco Road and Maryland, different story; I wouldn’t piss on them if they were aflame. That was serious and real.
But we had all that AND UPC. And it was they that we beat to sew up the ACC football championship. Orgasmic.
What?!?
We’re blessed to have you here to square us away. How irrelevant and meaningless we would be without your guidance.
Lol friend.
