It was a damn fumble ok...

[Rupert Jenkins]

I'm pretty sure the defender knocked it out of his hand and then Will threw it with his elbow. It just rolled down Wills arm and got hooked on his elbow before gravity took effect. Of course depending on the magnetic fields often gravity will propel a ball 10 yards depending on Venus's alignment with the moon. Not to get too deep into physics for all you engineering grads

 

[OG Goat Holder]

How I saw it....video was inconclusive if his arm was moving forward (up) or if the DL knocked it loose while still cocked. So with the call being a fumble, video didn't help to over turn the call.

Diving more into the play, Will has a long wind up. He had started his throwing motion and the ball was down around his waist. I couldn't tell from the video if he started the ball up before the DL hit it. But .....

common sense told me, he began moving the ball up and forward as the ball flew many yards and had a semi spiral rotation. You just aren't throwing that ball that far and with a semi spiral without some control of it.

Therefore the call on the field should have been incomplete. But refs being refs, made a conservative call and relied on video. Which was inconclusive in my opinion

This. Refs bungled the original call.

 

[OopsICroomedmypants]

WWAFD

What Would Alabama Fans Do? Nothing, because this crap would never happen to them.

 

[johnson86-1]

I thought his hand was empty coming forward

He got hit almost exactly after he started moving forward. Ball was out of his hand pretty early in his throw but not before he had enough movement to get the ball ten yards down field.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

I also thought it was a fumble. But either way, it was really close and there wasn't any conclusive video evidence to overturn the call. It definitely wasn't a screwjob.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

It should have been incomplete. We should have played better defense.

Alabama's QB will look like Terry Bradshaw against our secondary.

 

[Mobile Bay]

The hell it was, I have NEVER seen a fumble when the QB was passing that the momentum from the supposed fumble carried the ball 10 yards or more in advance of the play. Y'all need to quit pretending and come out as fans of the team you actually support. That was 100% a screw job that cost us the win. GTHOM.

I have never seen a fumble with a spiral on it either. .

 

[Dawgzilla2]

They're supposedly taught now to let those play out and review it afterwards.

We hear this all the time, but I still think that's a bad policy if true. It gives the defense an advantage, because the replay review has to provide indisputable evidence to over rule the call on the field.

Last night they said "the ruling on the field stands", which suggests that if the refs had called it an incomplete pass then that ruling would have stood as well .

The refs should just call it as they see it in every situation, because replay won't always sort it out. If they had called that an incomplete pass and replay proved it was a fumble, SC still would have had the ball

 

[kired]

I have never seen a fumble with a spiral on it either. .

There’s a lot of **** we see watching msu football that you won’t see anywhere else

 

[J-Dawg]

Had it been ruled an incomplete pass on the field that would have been upheld. Just one Devil’s opinion I am probably wrong.

That’s the way I looked at it. I thought whatever the call on the field was would have been upheld. Bang bang

 

[Yeti]

If the same play was Milroe would it be a fumble??

 

[Ranchdawg]

On the road? Just wait and see what happens next week.

Bummer will fill our stadium. It will be like a home game for them. While they are on campus they will talk negatively about our fans, campus and environment because they are so much better than us.

 

[paindonthurt]

What about the Brady rule? We never get that call.

If the rule is your hand/arm moving forward with control of the ball it was 120% indisputable evidence not a fumble. We got hosed on that call.

 

[paindonthurt]

It looked like a fumble to me.

Have you gone back to look again now?

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Have you gone back to look again now?

It’s still a fumble.

 

[paindonthurt]

They weren't going to overturn it either way. If one official had ruled it incomplete, it would have stood. They're supposedly taught now to let those play out and review it afterwards. Was it the Arizona game where we got screwed in the opposite way? Called the play dead when we could have run the fumble back, but they did later confirm it was a fumble?

That’s fine but get the review right. They didn’t.

 

[paindonthurt]

The ball was out of his hand on the wind up and then his throwing motion pushed it forward. It’s not 17ing hard to see.

I don’t give a flying 17 about some dumbass fan card. It’s what happened. Get over it.

No it wasn’t. I’m gonna prove it to you when I can get in front of a tv.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

No it wasn’t. I’m gonna prove it to you when I can get in front of a tv.

 

[Maroon13]

Same play just happened In the Titans v Browns game.

Tanneyhill had the ball behind his head. Very questionable if he was moving his arm forward. But the ball flew forward, spinning end over end..... incomplete pass.

good grief.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Ha, yes you do. You’ve been arguing all day with people on here about it.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Bummer will fill our stadium. It will be like a home game for them. While they are on campus they will talk negatively about our fans, campus and environment because they are so much better than us.

Well most of them do live closer than most of us **

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

There’s a lot of **** we see watching msu football that you won’t see anywhere else

Yeah, it doesn't matter if you step out of bounds and back in to catch the ball against us. It's a reception if you step off the field or not.

I'm surprised this is not a bigger argument than the fumble/pass. Cost us a few points as well.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Ha, yes you do. You’ve been arguing all day with people on here about it.

No I don’t care if he tries to show me because it’s still a fumble. LeArN hOw tO rEaD

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

No I don’t care if he tries to show me because it’s still a fumble. LeArN hOw tO rEaD

After another review, the replay on the field still stands. We would have to admit we made a mistake.

We even have a referee in the booth whose only job during the broadcast is to tell everybody how correct we are

 

[HumpDawgy]

That was the best spiral I've seen Will throw.***

 

[uptowndawg]

I can tell that we don't have a lot of Physics majors at this school. It didn't lose the game or wasn't obvious as the interception that should have been called Illegal Touching. If the ball was a fumble before his hands went forward, then why didn't it go straight up or to the side instead of straight down field way past the line of scrimmage?

Illegal touching can only be called on the offense. Those rules don’t apply to a defender. I thought the same but had to look it up after that play.

 

[TimberBeast]

His throwing motion carried it forward.

So a pass?

 

[paindonthurt]

No I don’t care if he tries to show me because it’s still a fumble. LeArN hOw tO rEaD

You clearly care.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

You clearly care.

Damn you got me. I do care. I care so so deeply about it.

 

[paindonthurt]

Damn you got me. I do care. I care so so deeply about it.

It’s obvious

 

[SouthFarmchicken]

THat's what I saw. I never thought it was a questionable call. I thought it was a fumble all the way. Not Will's fault....just got hit.

Well, it was Will’s fault. He held the ball way too long and was late with the release, receiver had already been open. And it was the right tackle’s fault technically for getting beat, even though he blocked long enough. And, it was the entire team save Marks’ for refusing to run after the fumble. In theory, our linemen could have gotten on it or at least made the tackle.

 

[ronpolk]

I just went back and watched it several times… I can see the call either way. The ball is without a doubt coming out when he’s still in his wind up but it’s hard to say he did or didn’t have control. That call could have been made either way and I don’t think I could say for certain that it was right or wrong.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

It’s obvious

Ok if you say so. I’m still waiting on the video footage analysis, John Madden….since obviously I care so much.

 

[operch]

How I saw it....video was inconclusive if his arm was moving forward (up) or if the DL knocked it loose while still cocked. So with the call being a fumble, video didn't help to over turn the call.

Diving more into the play, Will has a long wind up. He had started his throwing motion and the ball was down around his waist. I couldn't tell from the video if he started the ball up before the DL hit it. But .....

common sense told me, he began moving the ball up and forward as the ball flew many yards and had a semi spiral rotation. You just aren't throwing that ball that far and with a semi spiral without some control of it.

Therefore the call on the field should have been incomplete. But refs being refs, made a conservative call and relied on video. Which was inconclusive in my opinion

I watched many times frame by frame and I think the above. His arm was hit after the forward motion causing the ball to go only 10-15 yards instead of 30-35 yards.

 

[operch]

I think I remember Freddie Kitchens fumbling an incomplete pass from his waste line. Some QB from Bama in that time frame.

 

[operch]

Well, it was Will’s fault. He held the ball way too long and was late with the release, receiver had already been open. And it was the right tackle’s fault technically for getting beat, even though he blocked long enough. And, it was the entire team save Marks’ for refusing to run after the fumble. In theory, our linemen could have gotten on it or at least made the tackle.

I bet if we had recovered it 12 yards downfield for a first down it would have been an incomplete pass.

 

[paindonthurt]

Ok if you say so. I’m still waiting on the video footage analysis, John Madden….since obviously I care so much.

Can’t stop can you! #doesnotcare

 

[paindonthurt]

Well, it was Will’s fault. He held the ball way too long and was late with the release, receiver had already been open. And it was the right tackle’s fault technically for getting beat, even though he blocked long enough. And, it was the entire team save Marks’ for refusing to run after the fumble. In theory, our linemen could have gotten on it or at least made the tackle.

Some of yall are so dumb

it was a play action pass, he gets hit about the time the clock goes from 11:28 to 11:27

so 3 to 3.5 seconds from the snap of the ball.

there is no camera angle that shows any receiver who may or may not be open unless you got some angles the rest of us don’t have.

so stfu

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Some of yall are so dumb

it was a play action pass, he gets hit about the time the clock goes from 11:28 to 11:27

so 3 to 3.5 seconds from the snap of the ball.

there is no camera angle that shows any receiver who may or may not be open unless you got some angles the rest of us don’t have.

so stfu

I thought he did what he was supposed to do there. There was pressure so he stepped up in the pocket and was about to throw the ball. Guy just got his hand up in time to hit his hand.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Well, it was Will’s fault. He held the ball way too long and was late with the release, receiver had already been open. And it was the right tackle’s fault technically for getting beat, even though he blocked long enough. And, it was the entire team save Marks’ for refusing to run after the fumble. In theory, our linemen could have gotten on it or at least made the tackle.

He throws for 487 yards, but it's his fault an opposing DL hit his hand while he was passing.

He made mistakes; he is not an NFL-caliber QB, but GD... I'm starting to think he 17ed a female in your harem.
The guy can't do anything good enough for you. He can't even get hit correctly. SMH