Its sure nice being in the final four.

DaytonRickster

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Did you even read my post? I specifically used the word “expect” as in expectations. The same expectation and goal that Ohio State and Michigan have. No team is going to be top 10 every year. However, that doesn’t mean the goal can’t be top 10 every year.

Again, the goals of competitors Ohio State and Michigan for the past 50+ years:
1. Beat your top rival.
2. Win the B1G Championship.
3. Win the National Championship.

Do Ohio State and Michigan achieve these goals every year? Of course not. However, they aim high and have built their programs with these high aspirations in mind. There is nothing wrong with that. Penn State should do the same.
I have no doubt PSU has the same goals.
What makes you think they are different. Even if they don't reach those goals doesn't mean those aren't their goals.
 
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I remember being appreciative of that Pinstripe Bowl against BC, this is great.
It remains the only sell out in that bowl's history. Jam packed with real PSU faithful who had endured a scenario where PSU might never see top notch football again. Yet , a decade later, why don't we beat everyone? Why aren't we national champions? The coach (that has this program in the final 4) needs to improve to meet "our" standards. It's comedy gold. Message board geniuses.
 

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I have no doubt PSU has the same goals.
What makes you think they are different. Even if they don't reach those goals doesn't mean those aren't their goals.
It's precious that fans would think that their goals are loftier than that of the team and the coaches. Every week half the teams that compete lose. The coaches and the athletes must put set backs aside and go to work the very next day. They understand the nature of competition. They give their best effort and move on to the next challenge. It's a fan's perspective (and media hype) to use phrases like "must win." To the coaching staff and the players there always has to be a tomorrow.
I mean really? Who is investing the most here? LOL
 
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So true. I've watched football for more than 50 years and have yet to see a coach miss a tackle, miss a block, fumble the football, throw an interception, or get called for holding or pass interference, yet they get blamed. Players make plays. You need talent. You can train a donkey 24/7/365 and it's not going to win the Kentucky Derby. When Franklin's had more talent than his opponent he wins.

I obtained a new found appreciation for coaches when my son played soccer in a YMCA league. One of the guys that was to be a coach of the soccer league cancelled out before the draft and that team got the players no one wanted. So I got asked to coach that team. We had one good player and it wasn't my son. So if he played forward we had no defense. If he played defense, we had no offense. In our final game, I kept rotating players so fast they couldn't make mistakes and we ended up winning 2-1. The YMCA athletic director came over to me and said, "That was the miracle on wood."

Coaches can only prepare and give their players the best chance to make plays. It's up to the players to make those plays.
I can only think of one time my coaching made a difference. We were getting smoked in the first half, so I pulled a forward out and added a midfielder, which is somewhat counterintuitive if you need goals. But it stabilized our game and we returned the favor and won. But that was one out of hundreds of games.
 
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I mean really? Who is investing the most here? LOL
I don't understand your point. Fans have to move on after a loss too.

As far as investment.... Fans pay for everything. There's not stadium, practice facility, coaching staff, or even NIL money if not for the fans. I'd argue that the fans are investing the most.
 
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I don't understand your point. Fans have to move on after a loss too.

As far as investment.... Fans pay for everything. There's not stadium, practice facility, coaching staff, or even NIL money if not for the fans. I'd argue that the fans are investing the most.
When I see a fan rehabbing 6 months from an ACL injury I'll think of you.
But I will acknowledge that some fans should retire due to concussion like symptoms.
 

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When I see a fan rehabbing 6 months from an ACL injury I'll think of you.
But I will acknowledge that some fans should retire due to concussion like symptoms.
I'm not insensitive to those things. I certainly think that the university should provide the best medical care possible to injured players. That said athletes get injured all the time starting in high school. They accept those risks because they want to play. Why do you think kids play at places like Mercyhurst or Slippery Rock? It certainly isn't for the money.

I'm a fan and I root for our players. But the only way for any "business" to succeed is to satisfy customers. They're the ones who make everything possible. Any leader who tells their customers to shut up because they aren't "invested" won't last very long.
 

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I'm not insensitive to those things. I certainly think that the university should provide the best medical care possible to injured players. That said athletes get injured all the time starting in high school. They accept those risks because they want to play. Why do you think kids play at places like Mercyhurst or Slippery Rock? It certainly isn't for the money.

I'm a fan and I root for our players. But the only way for any "business" to succeed is to satisfy customers. They're the ones who make everything possible. Any leader who tells their customers to shut up because they aren't "invested" won't last very long.
Fans shouldn't accept risks? Many fans are loyal and their teams are never in contention. Or do we just deserve better for some reason? Does Nebraska still charge for season tickets?
So fans invest more into PSU football than the players and injuries are merely the assumption of risk for playing? That's precious.
 

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Will Penn State University recognize this year's team on the East facade below the suites? I say they should! 2024
 
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