Actually Penn State scored on its first position albeit having to settle for a FG after a penalty negated a Warren TD. It was the defense which started slow on Saturday.
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And I still think the call on Fleming was BS, especially considering how they called the rest of the game.
I have heard 2 different national podcasts say it was a BS call. SVP being one of them. Flemming went vertical and ran into the DB, but wasn't blocking him. The DB also had a hold of Flemming jersey IIRC. The thing is in OT Tracey had a good hold of that USC WR's jersey on that first play so you can just take the good with the bad.
Two podcast, pfft, Gary Daniels called it and like Herby, he is the gold standard.
Agree. I thought both teams DB's were pretty grabby and they let them get away with it.
Excellent point…I supposed then it would be interesting to compare the frequency with which he and others do so.
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Of course, you’re right. Maybe my issue is more about modern football coaches in general, though, I think specific concerns with Franklin are how slow his teams start and how he tends to outthink himself in big games. Plus, Allar is a 3rd year starter and seems to just now be hitting his stride for meeting the 5-star pedigree he arrived with. I won’t lump that all onto Franklin because each kid develops at his own pace, but his offensive staff prior to this year hasn’t exactly been top notch to help the kid out.
The two on USC at the end were really, really egregious. We lucked out. But we have been on the other side of those many, many times. And while they may have made a difference in the outcome, USC had its chances to win (and probably should have) but didn’t.
I was surprised that two different people complained to me today about the Offensive Pass Interference penalty on our first drive. I thought it was a pretty obvious call. One questioned how they could call it on our touchdown but not on USC’s TD…easy, because theirs was a legal play.
And then I see it here too.
Warren was across the line, Flemming went into the DB and freed up Warren. That’s a pretty easy call.
And then I see it here too.
Warren was across the line, Flemming went into the DB and freed up Warren. That’s a pretty easy call.
Agree to disagree. I think one was pretty obvious the other was a good no call.
Maybe not was easy as you thought. The DB initiated the contact and was also holding Flemming's jersey.
"The problem that many had with the play was that it was not Fleming who initiated the contact. Replays showed clearly that it was Smith who reached out and put his hands on Fleming."
Click on link and talk amongst yourselves. Pic is too big for board.
https://gopsusports.com/imgproxy/cW...HhDSmdwR1lIWmNMUmxGSk1oZGpadXFodzJ3LmpwZw.jpg
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What occurred is he ran vertical and the DB grabbed him/extended his arms and initiated the contact. It's a bang bang play, but I wouldn't call that an easy call. The replay is out there and you can see clearly who initiated the contact...wasn't Flemming.
the one on our #5 probably was but then there was some massive holding going on before that pass was even attempted.
On the other was the ball catchable?
Either way it depends on which side of the church you sit on.
Can probably call holding every play. Just taking these on their own I believe both should have been called. That said, we’ve had our share of blown calls go against us so not gonna complain. Their INT in the 4th and missed FG in OT killed them.
But Fleming engaged with him and drove him back 5 yards. It’s on Flemming to avoid the contact on that play. Instead, he blocked him.
Definitely agree about holding but when its been as egregious as some, I mean arm around neck in front of the refs obvious, then yea it needs to be called.
Also and maybe it was just me but I thought Riley's clock management at the end was supremely bad.
Witvoet and O’Neill say, “hold my beer!”
They were playing for the last second FG to win (and leave nothing for PSU to work with). Good plan but didn’t work out.
I thought both were close. Tracy snagged the WRs jersey (on a nasty route) but it wasn't terrible. And the throw was way off.
Cam Miller had great coverage, got there a little early but seemed to mostly keep his body off the receiver, who was barely affected from the one replay angle I saw.
Except Flemming didn't engage the DB, the DB engaged Flemming. I'd agree with your take if it was Flemming who hit the DB and was blocking him, but that isn't what occurred. It was the opposite of that and about the only thing JF could have done is make a dead stop and try to shake off the DB who was holding on to him. The play was already made in the first 2 steps as soon as the DB engaged him it was already going to be a TD.
1:20 in. Slow it down to half speed. I see why the refs made the call, but I also see why people questioned that call.
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Oh please. Oregon just beat OSU at home. The blueprint is there. We get them at home. No excuses now, right?
LOL, what? So I guess PSU will be favored pretty heavily since Oregon beat OSU.
Only the losses count, so no.
I know. It's really hard to digest a great win.
Basically he's just saying PSU could lose and is reserving his right to use that dumb Franklin a game line that he thinks is somehow witty.
I'm still tying to figure out where all that money PSU didn't spend is.Built from the ground up?
ok that is the first time that I have seen the Warren touchdown that was called back for opi and that's a tough call, the db puts his arms out and his hands on him immediately and is not trying to get away from him or towards Warren, it looks like pass route/coverage at the goal line to me
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