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no1lion99

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Erial_Lion said:
What part of the rule that you posted do you think is covering the fact that Flemming can keep blocking him if the defender is engaged? The DB "initiating" the contact doesn't mean that Flemming can just block him on the play without running a route. After watching it again, I'm convinced that the play was designed for Warren to catch it behind the LOS (which he clearly didn't), to allow Flemming to block, since he's not really running a route.
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Not sure what you are talking about re "blocking" but let's dig deeper anyway.

What is OPI?

"Offensive pass interference is contact by a Team A player beyond the neutral zone that interferes with a Team B player during a legal forward pass play in which the forward pass crosses the neutral zone. It is the responsibility of the offensive player to avoid the opponents."

Does the DB initiating contact with his hands fit the definition of "contact by a Team A (PSU) player"? Maybe? Is that how the NCAA defines contact? Seems a bit of a stretch. However as noted, Fleming clearly attempts to go to the inside when he sees the DB raise his hands.

What ISNT OPI?

"It is not offensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-IV, V, X, XV and XVI): 1. When, after the snap, a Team A ineligible player immediately charges and contacts an opponent at a point not more than one yard beyond the neutral zone and maintains the contact for no more than three yards beyond the neutral zone. (A.R. 7-3-10-II)"

"It is not offensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-IV, V, X, XV and XVI): 1. When, after the snap, a Team A ineligible player immediately charges and contacts an opponent at a point not more than one yard beyond the neutral zone and maintains the contact for no more than three yards beyond the neutral zone. (A.R. 7-3-10-II)"

The DB initiates the contact at the 2, within 1 yard of the NZ. Does that contact exist more than 3 yards from the LOS? Yes, partly because as you can clearly see in the replay the DB has a handful of Fleming's jersey and is pulling it.

Now to your point mentioning "keep blocking", how does the NCAA define blocking?

"Blocking is obstructing an opponent by intentionally contacting him with any part of the blocker’s body."

Does the NCAA consider it blocking if the DB uses his hands to impede Fleming? I doubt it. Is Fleming allowed to attempt to break free? No idea. "Keep blocking" sure is a huge stretch of word definitions to make it sound obvious when it's quite gray at best.
 
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LaJollaCreek said:
Correct. If you interpret the rule as Erial is doing every DB around would do this at the LOS when the WR's/TE's are stacked in hopes of a Offensive PI call. Just grab hold of a WR at the LOS and don't let go....offensive PI? Again I don't think the officials saw the DB initiate the contact and then not let go of Flemming. It's a bang bang play, PSU won, but that isn't offensive PI. It's really a no call to be honest and that is what it should have been 99 out of 100 times.
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That would be holding on the DB, so that wouldn't be a good strategy. You keep going back to the DB "initiating contact"...it doesn't matter who initiated contact, and that's not part of the definition of Offensive Pass Interference. Once Flemming starts blocking him, it becomes OPI (if the ball hasn't been caught yet and it's not behind the LOS).

Here is another example of this type of play...it doesn't matter that the DB initiated the contact on #20 of Notre Dame. The ND WR blocked him as part of the play, so it's OPI.

 
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no1lion99 said:
Not sure what you are talking about re "blocking" but let's dig deeper anyway.

What is OPI?

"Offensive pass interference is contact by a Team A player beyond the neutral zone that interferes with a Team B player during a legal forward pass play in which the forward pass crosses the neutral zone. It is the responsibility of the offensive player to avoid the opponents."

Does the DB initiating contact with his hands fit the definition of "contact by a Team A (PSU) player"? Maybe? Is that how the NCAA defines contact? Seems a bit of a stretch. However as noted, Fleming clearly attempts to go to the inside when he sees the DB raise his hands.

What ISNT OPI?

"It is not offensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-IV, V, X, XV and XVI): 1. When, after the snap, a Team A ineligible player immediately charges and contacts an opponent at a point not more than one yard beyond the neutral zone and maintains the contact for no more than three yards beyond the neutral zone. (A.R. 7-3-10-II)"

"It is not offensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-IV, V, X, XV and XVI): 1. When, after the snap, a Team A ineligible player immediately charges and contacts an opponent at a point not more than one yard beyond the neutral zone and maintains the contact for no more than three yards beyond the neutral zone. (A.R. 7-3-10-II)"

The DB initiates the contact at the 2, within 1 yard of the NZ. Does that contact exist more than 3 yards from the LOS? Yes, partly because as you can clearly see in the replay the DB has a handful of Fleming's jersey and is pulling it.
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Note that your examples of "What ISNT OPI" involve plays with a Team A (ie, offensive) INELIGIBLE receiver. Flemming is eligible on this play.
 
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Erial_Lion said:
That would be holding on the DB, so that wouldn't be a good strategy. You keep going back to the DB "initiating contact"...it doesn't matter who initiated contact, and that's not part of the definition of Offensive Pass Interference. Once Flemming starts blocking him, it becomes OPI (if the ball hasn't been caught yet and it's not behind the LOS).

Here is another example of this type of play...it doesn't matter that the DB initiated the contact on #20 of Notre Dame. The ND WR blocked him as part of the play, so it's OPI.

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You keep saying Flemming was blocking him, but he was being held by the DB. It's ok to disagree....and I do. Apparently others do to...sorry.
 
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LaJollaCreek said:
You keep saying Flemming was blocking him, but he was being held. It's ok to disagree....and I do. Apparently others do to...sorry.
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I don't know who this Flemming guy is, but I am glad our Fleming guy got two big 4th down catches against USC.

charlize theron nod GIF by Golden Globes
 
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no1lion99 said:
Not sure what you are talking about re "blocking" but let's dig deeper anyway.

What is OPI?

"Offensive pass interference is contact by a Team A player beyond the neutral zone that interferes with a Team B player during a legal forward pass play in which the forward pass crosses the neutral zone. It is the responsibility of the offensive player to avoid the opponents."

Does the DB initiating contact with his hands fit the definition of "contact by a Team A (PSU) player"? Maybe? Is that how the NCAA defines contact? Seems a bit of a stretch. However as noted, Fleming clearly attempts to go to the inside when he sees the DB raise his hands.

What ISNT OPI?

"It is not offensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-IV, V, X, XV and XVI): 1. When, after the snap, a Team A ineligible player immediately charges and contacts an opponent at a point not more than one yard beyond the neutral zone and maintains the contact for no more than three yards beyond the neutral zone. (A.R. 7-3-10-II)"

"It is not offensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-IV, V, X, XV and XVI): 1. When, after the snap, a Team A ineligible player immediately charges and contacts an opponent at a point not more than one yard beyond the neutral zone and maintains the contact for no more than three yards beyond the neutral zone. (A.R. 7-3-10-II)"

The DB initiates the contact at the 2, within 1 yard of the NZ. Does that contact exist more than 3 yards from the LOS? Yes, partly because as you can clearly see in the replay the DB has a handful of Fleming's jersey and is pulling it.

Now to your point mentioning "keep blocking", how does the NCAA define blocking?

"Blocking is obstructing an opponent by intentionally contacting him with any part of the blocker’s body."

Does the NCAA consider it blocking if the DB uses his hands to impede Fleming? I doubt it. Is Fleming allowed to attempt to break free? No idea. "Keep blocking" sure is a huge stretch of word definitions to make it sound obvious when it's quite gray at best.
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That is the part he misses...the DB has a hold of the WR, not the other way around. You're 3rd and 4th pics really captured the difference. Oh well...moving on.
 
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Marshall2323 said:
247sports.com

College football's top 50 programs ranked by NIL efforts

Separating the haves and have nots across college football.
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This has PSU at 25th. Scary.
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Yes but that's not NIL. Those are donations made to the university from 2005 through the end of the 2022 season (17 years).

Phil Knight giving to Oregon, T. Boone Pickens giving to Oklahoma State, and Pegula giving to PSU is for things like facilities. It's not the same as money going into an NIL collective.
 
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Erial_Lion said:
That would be holding on the DB, so that wouldn't be a good strategy. You keep going back to the DB "initiating contact"...it doesn't matter who initiated contact, and that's not part of the definition of Offensive Pass Interference. Once Flemming starts blocking him, it becomes OPI (if the ball hasn't been caught yet and it's not behind the LOS).

Here is another example of this type of play...it doesn't matter that the DB initiated the contact on #20 of Notre Dame. The ND WR blocked him as part of the play, so it's OPI.

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Seriously? Did you even watch the video you posted here? Are you seriously comparing what this TE does to what Fleming did? Please use your eyes. Stop saying Fleming was blocking.

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Marshall2323 said:
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Any of those coaches working under contracts that antedate Franklin's? Someone ought to inform "Penn State FB Thoughts" that coaches' compensation isn't adjusted with every rankings movement. Wonder how much he gets docked every time he burns a batch of fries.
 
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Any of those coaches working under contracts that antedate Franklin's? Someone ought to inform "Penn State FB Thoughts" that coaches' compensation isn't adjusted with every rankings movement. Wonder how much he gets docked every time he burns a batch of fries.
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Agreed. I can't afford to pay Franklin one more cent.
 
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