Joyner was recruited by other programs following bowl game
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Is a rule really a rule if no one is enforcing the rule? 
The NCAA is supposedly going to play a more prominent role with NIL and the transfer portal...I welcome that but I will believe it when I see it.
The NCAA is supposedly going to play a more prominent role with NIL and the transfer portal...I welcome that but I will believe it when I see it.
Is a rule really a rule if no one is enforcing the rule?
That's the billion dollar question.
With all the leeway that's being given now with NIL and the portal, tampering should be elevated to just below death penalty level violation. And I think it should go both ways. No contact can be made between a player and program unless that player is in the portal. If the player contacts another program while not in the portal, it should be a serious suspension of 3-4 games. If schools contact, again, severe penalties...loss of scholarships and bowl season ban.
If they aren't going to come down like a hammer on this one last rule, then just forget any kind of regulation at all. If there's really only one real remaining rule, it should free the NCAA up to focus their attention on that one rule and enforce it like a boss.
Its going to be a free for all. Everyone will feel they should have the "freedom" do anything they want, at any time they want.Is a rule really a rule if no one is enforcing the rule?
The NCAA is supposedly going to play a more prominent role with NIL and the transfer portal...I welcome that but I will believe it when I see it.
Its the American way.
Joyner has been a product of whatever system we have been running. In the bowl game, we tailored the game plan for his skills and he was very successful. He still is an elite athlete who was rated a four star recruit out of high school. There are some teams that would build their offense around his skills to be successful if he was their quarterback, similar to what Petrino did to assist Lamar Jackson in playing qb for him early in his Louisville career when he stated himself that he was not an accomplished passer. That type of plan protects a bad offensive line and keeps good defense off balance because of the variety of options the quarterback has on each play in regards to whether he chooses to run, throw, etc... There are a lot of schools that would value that option, luckily for us Joyner wants to stay and be a Gamecock thru and thru.
I appreciate the optimistic version of his talents.
One could also say that he's had one good game (the bowl) And going into his fifth year, he's looking to throw his second touchdown pass as a gamecock. I had no one specific in mind, but you could probably grab any number of smaller school qb's that have actually been producing for a couple years or more if you're going to risk tampering and spending a lot of cash.
Hers his stats, in case we want to refresh our memories.
Dakereon Joyner Career Stats - NCAAF - ESPN
Complete career NCAAF stats for South Carolina Gamecocks Running Back Dakereon Joyner on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.
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I appreciate the optimistic version of his talents.
One could also say that he's had one good game (the bowl) And going into his fifth year, he's looking to throw his second touchdown pass as a gamecock. I had no one specific in mind, but you could probably grab any number of smaller school qb's that have actually been producing for a couple years or more if you're going to risk tampering and spending a lot of cash.
Hers his stats, in case we want to refresh our memories.
Dakereon Joyner Career Stats - NCAAF - ESPN
Complete career NCAAF stats for South Carolina Gamecocks Running Back Dakereon Joyner on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.
I don't care about his stats. Stats come with opportunity and how he has been yo-yo ed around playing positions, he has never bee given a game like the bowl, but every time the team needed him to bail them out at emergency qb after every other player has been given full games with unbelievable rope, he has produced. i.e. Georgia win during Muschamp years. Think about this, not saying he is anywhere near a Lamar Jackson, but similarly Jackson state the only reason he went to Louisville, was that Petrino promised to teach him how to be a qb and would allow him a real chance to earn the position. Not move him around, as he had seen many other qbs of his ilk. He also used this same commitment when he entered the NFL. Refused to listen to many teams that were still trying to move him around. DK has never been really given a shot at Carolina at QB and their is no one that can say that he has until after that Bowl game. He just doesnt look the part for some, but it is not because of the times he has been allowed to move the offense or throw the ball. Check the Mizzou game his sophomore year. Again, Stats come with real opportunity, not token appearances with called run plays.
All that sounds nice, and I appreciate that you are clarifying that Joyner is no Jackson.
But he has seriously thrown ONE touchdown in 4 years. It may seem like I'm trying to tear him down, triggering some defense of him, but my point is really that if a team is going to spend cash, and risk tampering, they would probably go after a qb who has thrown more than ONE touchdown in four years.
One can try to dismiss four years of stats as "not getting a shot", but maybe there's a reason he wasn't.
Sharris, you make great points. I like Joyner and am glad he is with us this coming season. He seems like a great kid to me, as well. Here comes a "BUT" though. I look at Joyner like I do OC Marcus Satterfield. I believe just about everyone predicted we would, not only lose to UNC, but get blown out by the Tar Heels. I think I was the only one on this forum to predict a win over them in the bowl game (certainly the roll call would not have taken long of those who predicted a USC win over them). I noticed that Satterfield's offense had its best game when he had extra time to prepare (thus the reason for my prediction of a victory by the good guys over UNC). But I am taking a "wait and see" approach on Satterfield to see how he does over the course of a season since he has never produced a Top 50 offense. Let's see how Joyner does if he gets a shot at QB. Like I said, you made great points. Joyner really did save us against Georgia. And his superlative bowl game against UNC speaks for itself. But, I don't believe anyone at USC will beat out Rattler. If Rattler gets hurt, I'm glad Jovner would be an option. That being said, I hope he produces big at WR, if that's where they play him. He is, as you say an "elite athlete". The first 3-4 games will tell us what kind of season both Joyner and Satterfield have.
Thanks and to be clear, I do not think Joyner is anywhere in the neighborhood of a Rattler as a qb. I was just making the case that for someone to see his performance and to think that other teams who have shaky quarterback play at best would not make a run at him given his potential is insulting. He may not be i our top 3 qbs , but to insinuate that other teams may not want him to play in a system, they feel would suit him better is just not so. That is all I was stating for the original poster.
I don't think it's insulting at all. He's entering his fifth year, and has thrown one touchdown in his first four years. It's a little late in his college career to still be talking "potential" in the face of his actual results.
If someone had a shaky qb situation, I think they would go after Doty, Gauthier, or Davis. All of those are considered better by this staff, and all have more years to play as well.
I just think if a team is scouring other teams for a qb, a younger, actual quarterback would probably be getting even more attention than Joyner.
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Yes as we saw him go 9 for 9 early in the North Carolina game. lol
That’s not saying much. Not digging on him but he’s never gonna be a qb in the league. HE HAD A NICE GAME, far from a body of work
I am hoping the switch just flipped for him in the bowl game and he was in the zone. The thing I noticed against UN-Carolina was his running back flare passes to our smaller backs/receivers were fast and in front of the receivers. That is a hard pass to throw with little room for error. If you're behind the back, you foil the play. And his impulse to run seemed tempered. Even when pressured, he remained in pocket and looked for receivers. He is not a roster position but a role player. Many great teams historically have 2 or 3 of these type of athletes that play various spots to be impact on every play. Travis Kelcey played QB in College for Goodness sakes.
I agree with this. I think you put it well that he is not a roster position, but a role player.
Hence why, if a team was looking for a qb to poach, he wouldn't be high on the list, imo.
Is it what Sharis is saying? Seems to me calling someone a "role player" who floats between different positions is a far way away from saying they're a qb worth tampering to try and poach.
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It should be deemed a compliment if another team is trying to poach our players. If/when we get back to any prominence at all, this will happen. I am more interested in how we use him. He seemed dialed in on down and distance is a couple of drives-really solid at completing passes just beyond the yard marker. I was a little concerned we had a couple of drives that stalled and we settled for field goals. Could have put a pasting on em. I could see him split out wide, takes 3 steps back, receives a pass and then finds someone in a cleared out zone for a completion or half back passes. Or of course wild cat. The real question this year is where does Doty fit in and get in? Is Rattler the definitive starter?
What I am saying is we have a certain type of qb in mind, but some other schools thrive on having an athlete who plays qb and fits their system, thus they would try and poach him, (Beamer's words, not mine) as a qb. It is not what we see in him, but what a school, for instance like a South Florida, or Coastal Carolina, or even a school like Houston would see in him. These schools, over the years have emphasized a qb that has athletic skill and can throw the ball a little bit for which I think we all can agree DK can. To say you don't believe there may be schools looking to sign him would be inaccurate imo. One person's trash is another person's treasure. Look at Malik Willis for instant. Auburn had no use for him, and he never was qb 1 or 2 there for whatever reason, and he goes to Liberty, gets into a system designed for his strengths and gets drafted. Remember Kentucky beat us three years in a row, utilizing a wide receiver as a qb, so let's not act as if there would not be a few places that might see him as a better option for a year or two even.
I would agree that some schools like the "athlete" qb, and I could see some smaller schools looking at him for that role. I don't think USF or Houston are small enough to fit that description, imho.
But you misunderstand when you say I claimed no schools would want to sign him. What I repeatedly said was that if someone is interested in him, then imagine what it's like for guys who have actually produced at qb, even if at a smaller school. Meaning, they must be getting recruited/poached even harder.
(And as a side note, does he have 2 years? I saw 4 years of stats for him, and, I think, the corona year gives him 5? I am not sure though. )
I agree it's a compliment. Yes, I am looking forward to seeing how we use Joyner this season, too.
We will have weapons on offense this season. I will be shocked if Rattler is not the starter. And I look forward to a healthy Doty. No excuses for not producing a Top 50 offense. If we do, to go with Clayton White's defense (our best DC since EJ..... kind of reminds me of EJ), along with Lembo (considered one of the nation's best Special Teams Coord.) this football program will get going.
heard that- let the good times roll. Beat KY, Beat TN, Beat Flurida, Clemmy.
One year DK played in less than 4 games, thus it counted as a redshirt year and he also gets a covid year if he desires, thus the reason he could possible have 2 more if he wanted as I have heard it explained.
Malik Willis was a 3 round choice in a piss poor qb draft year. Take the Malik Willis hype with a grain, espn had to pump up someone and those rolled the dice on the kid. He will be a career clipboard holder, and hopefully I’m wrong on him, but he is what he is.
Imo, Malik was a qb who had study habit issues at Auburn, and NFL competition in front of him on the field.
So I don't think that compares well with Joyner. But I understand the hypothetical point of someone blossoming under new circumstances.
He still had an outstanding career at Liberty and beat a lot of good teams in his time there after being given an opportunity. That is all we are discussing, not DK becoming the next Joe Montana. Heck Charlie Whitehurst, who I would have bet my bottom dollar, you would have sung his praises as a qb was a career clipboard holder in the NFL, so what is the shame in that if it happens for Malik Willis.
I wonder if Joyner is wishing he'd gone somewhere else at this point. The last time we had a good offensive showing was in the bowl game, which was built around Joyner's skill set. At the time, I think most people agreed we mostly caught UNC off-guard and wouldn't be able to run that offense week-in week-out, but at this point, what could it hurt?
I had to look up his stats. Prior to tonight he had one rush and one reception? I bet he does wish he had moved on.