1-4. Hot name last year. Decided to stay and struggling. Guess he is probably kicking himself. Kind of like Campbell and iowa state. Reminds me of Clawson too. Once a hot name now just average or worse.
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Yes this year. But he was a much hotter name several years ago. He's gone 7-6 most of his years. With one big 9 win season.
Imagine turning your nose up at that.
Curt Cignetti was our swing and miss.
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I won't act like I'm some expert on James Madison football. I know they had an incredibly successful year this year, and Coach Curt Cignetti became one of the hottest names in the sport. He ultimately...
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Never understood the 'hot name' stuff. What does that mean, besides the chance for the coach to get a big payday? And they likely got one from their current school anyway. Being a hot name means next to nothing when it comes to whether or not they will be a good coach. I suppose it can excite some sheep fans. But specifically:
Lance Leipold is 60 years old....he may just not want to move.
Matt Campbell is going to make some B2 program a damn good coach. He strikes me as the type of guy that would be perfect for Wisconsin or Penn State. He needs to be careful and not be like Mullen and take the wrong job.
Cignetti is 60 too, and holy hell, that's the energy MSU needed last year. Instead, we got Laid Back Leb Bro
Lance Leipold is 60 years old....he may just not want to move.
Matt Campbell is going to make some B2 program a damn good coach. He strikes me as the type of guy that would be perfect for Wisconsin or Penn State. He needs to be careful and not be like Mullen and take the wrong job.
Cignetti is 60 too, and holy hell, that's the energy MSU needed last year. Instead, we got Laid Back Leb Bro
There was no swingCurt Cignetti was our swing and miss.
"I Win. Google Me" - Curt Cignetti Has An Elite Strategy For Bringing Recruits To Indiana
I won't act like I'm some expert on James Madison football. I know they had an incredibly successful year this year, and Coach Curt Cignetti became one of the hottest names in the sport. He ultimately...
Correct, which was even worse. Salmon had his mind made up before the search started.
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The type of Coach we need here at State is someone who has been dominant and successful at a lower level or a much lower tier conference for sure. Mullen translated here to me because of what he had done at places like Bowling Green and Utah. These coaches listed are the perfect type of coach we need here.
Liepold- won 6 Division 3 three championships and had 5 undefeated seasons in his seven years at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, before coaching where he is now.
Campbell- won 2 Division 3 championships as an offensive coordinator in his only two seasons at Mount Union. Then as head coach at Toledo went 36-15 and had them in the top 20 at one time.
Cignetti- at the Division 2 level, IPU was 4-10 in conference before he got there. Cignetti finished 53–17 at IUP with three NCAA playoff appearances and two conference championships. Then at the FCS level he took over a losing Elon squad and turned them into national contenders immediately. Then took over at then FCS level James Madison and took them to the national championship game, and helped transition them to the Division 1 level.
Liepold- won 6 Division 3 three championships and had 5 undefeated seasons in his seven years at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, before coaching where he is now.
Campbell- won 2 Division 3 championships as an offensive coordinator in his only two seasons at Mount Union. Then as head coach at Toledo went 36-15 and had them in the top 20 at one time.
Cignetti- at the Division 2 level, IPU was 4-10 in conference before he got there. Cignetti finished 53–17 at IUP with three NCAA playoff appearances and two conference championships. Then at the FCS level he took over a losing Elon squad and turned them into national contenders immediately. Then took over at then FCS level James Madison and took them to the national championship game, and helped transition them to the Division 1 level.
Not really, the guy is retirement age already, you might have him 5 more years if you're lucky and you're looking around again about the time you should be hitting your stride. I don't have a problem bypassing him.
Add Chris Kliemann to that too.
You're absolutely right though. In this new era, our answers are found, in many areas (coaches and players), by looking down into the G5 and FCS. We also can't abandon JUCOs and blue blood P4 transfers, since they are so convenient for us.
Nope, many coaches are hitting their prime years from 55-70. That's a key advantage of getting a coach to stay for a while, you get them in the upper 50s, they are seasoned, wiser, and aren't looking to make another move.
You are ignorant like Salmon.
It does raise the question of how much of Leipold’s success should be attributed to Andy Kotelnicki, who was his OC for the last decade until he took the Penn State OC job before this year.
Cignetti was my preferred choice as well. I think it freaked people out that he’s the same age as Leach and we weren’t a year removed from losing Leach.Curt Cignetti was our swing and miss.
"I Win. Google Me" - Curt Cignetti Has An Elite Strategy For Bringing Recruits To Indiana
I won't act like I'm some expert on James Madison football. I know they had an incredibly successful year this year, and Coach Curt Cignetti became one of the hottest names in the sport. He ultimately...
I'm advocating for getting guys between 55-60, so you'll get a solid run of a decade out of them most likely, when they are at their wisest and most experienced. That's why I said 55-70 above. Sorry I didn't explain that to you in so much detail, I guess I expected you could draw that conclusion. That said, your list is wrong to begin with.
So first of all, M. Brown, Ferentz, J. Brown, Keeler, Whittingham, Poggi are all 65 and older, so they are out. Fritz is right on the line, but I'd have still given him a hard look simply because of his offense. Same with Cignetti obviously, for reasons already stated here.
Moving on, Kevin Wilson sucks and we'll see on Sam Pittman. The rest of those guys got their jobs when they were in their upper 50s, so while I wouldn't hire them now, they would have been decent hires a few years ago, depending on fit and other things. And you also want to look at trajectory. Some guys get jobs early and flame out.
I'm looking for the Malzahn types, specifically with niche offenses, for MSU.
Hey, you know another coach that got hired when he was 55? Nick L. Saban. Had a pretty good run I'd say. Would you hire (for many schools, not just MSU) Jeff Brohm? Mike Gundy? Ken Niumatololo? Hugh Freeze? Mark Stoops? Brent Venables? You really think these guys are over the hill?
But also, going specifically back to MSU, not many of those 40-year olds who are hot names will come here. You need a late 30s/early 40s seasoned coordinator (seasoned is the key word) who is a hard-asss and has that ambition/chip on the shoulder, or an older, wiser head coach who is a hard-asss and knows how shlt works, maybe even with a little baggage. I mean look at our best two coaches in the modern era - Kang and Danny -fit the mold to a T. Leach would have too had he lived.
What is your definition of "seasoned" ? The Hunchback was an under age 40 OC for 4 seasons with a generational talent at QB at a top 5 crooter all under a top 5 HC. He was NOTHING like the Kang and he absolutely learned on the job at MSU and failed many times while he also had some success.
Lebby has been an under age 40 OC for 3 different programs under 3 different head coaches both Power 5 and G5 and had top offenses at every one of them. How is his resume any worse than Danny 2 gloves at the time of their hires?
And not one person defined the hunchback as a "hard asss" prior to him BECOMING one at MSU. You have made your mind up that Selmon and Lebby are failures and holding them to a much different standard than Country Club Danny.
Mullen had a couple more years (8 total, as OC/QB coach), with a 4-year run under Urban, and Urban hated to lose him.
Lebby had about 6, and widely said that Lebby didn't mesh well with Venable's hard style.
So yeah, Lebby was becoming a seasoned coordinator, but wasn't quite there yet. Plus, it's pretty obvious he's not very good at discipline.
I'm pretty sure that you can see these things while interviewing someone, and talking to people who know them.
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