Liberty would’ve made the 12 team playoff

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Whatever you want to call it...P5, P65, P3. Football is a different sport than bball or baseball. It needs to be treated as such.
Correct, football needs to be pared down to about 36 teams that play in the top league. Have 4 9 team "conferences" and take the 2 top teams from each conference and put them in a three week playoff. Do away with conference championship games and have each team play 8 conference games and 3 OOC games against other top league teams. Do not allow the top league teams to play any teams from lower leagues.
 

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Uhhh, every bowl game counts towards a team’s final record and impacts their ranking, if ranked.

It depends on how you define minor bowls, but any team in the team in the top 25 has their final ranking affected by their bowl outcome.
 

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The answer is simple, get better and prove we belong. 131 years of .500 football don't make for a very compelling choice.
If wanting to make that happen was the answer, it would have been done long ago. Therefore, the only choices is to accept change Or stop being a college football fan. I don't know about you, but I choose the former.
 

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It's not a matter of semantics. It's matter of numerical data.
There are now as of today 4 Power Conferences.
I agree. But it's still 65 teams. No matter if it's 3 or 5 conferences. Those 65 need to split away from the NCAA for football only.
 

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I agree. But it's still 65 teams. No matter if it's 3 or 5 conferences. Those 65 need to split away from the NCAA for football only.
It is 65 teams today, I think that is going to change sooner rather than later. There really are no more than about 30-40 teams that are top tier with a chance to win a championship of any kind in a given year.
 
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It is 65 teams today, I think that is going to change sooner rather than later. There really are no more than about 30-40 teams that are top tier with a chance to win a championship of any kind in a given year.
Don't get "chance to win a championship" confused with networks' ability to make money. 30-40 simply isn't enough inventory of games.
 

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Another reason it's a big step backwards.
Qualifications for the playoff were changed as a result of the conference realignment. No conference has an auto bid and conf must have a min of 8 teams. Only the top 5 conference champs get in plus the 7 highest ranked get in, so Oklahoma would have been in over Liberty.

For Example, look at 2011. ACC champ #22 Clem (10-3) would not have made the playoff. Playoff would have consisted of top 12 teams.

Top 5 Conf Champs (top 4 get bye)
1 Bama - Sec champ - bye
3 Ok St - Big 12 champ - bye
4 Ore - Pac 12 champ - bye
8 Boise St - Mt West champ - bye
10 Wisc - Big 10 Champ

At Large bids
2 LSU
5 Ark
6 USC
7 Stanford
9 So Car
11 Mich St
12 Mich
 
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Qualifications for the playoff were changed as a result of the conference realignment. No conference has an auto bid and conf must have a min of 8 teams. Only the top 5 conference champs get in plus the 7 highest ranked get in, so Oklahoma would have been in over Liberty.

For Example, look at 2011. ACC champ #22 Clem (10-3) would not have made the playoff. Playoff would have consisted of top 12 teams.

Top 5 Conf Champs (top 4 get bye)
1 Bama - Sec champ - bye
3 Ok St - Big 12 champ - bye
4 Ore - Pac 12 champ - bye
8 Boise St - Mt West champ - bye
10 Wisc - Big 10 Champ

At Large bids
2 LSU
5 Ark
6 USC
7 Stanford
9 So Car
11 Mich St
12 Mich
It's the 6 highest conf championship teams. The 6 highest ranked teams remaining get in. This guarantees a G5 champion gets in. If they're outside of the top 12, they'll bump a top 12 P5 team out.

 

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It's the 6 highest conf championship teams. The 6 highest ranked teams remaining get in. This guarantees a G5 champion gets in. If they're outside of the top 12, they'll bump a top 12 P5 team out.

The current language criteria would guarantee two playoffs spots for the Group of Five champions.
 

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The current language criteria would guarantee two playoffs spots for the Group of Five champions.
Ah, that’s true with the P12 falling apart. So now we’ll have 2 P5 top 12 teams left out for 2 teams that shouldn’t even be in consideration.
 

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Looking forward to the 12-team playoffs next year. I have long lost interest in meaningless bowl games. This Bama-Michigan game has already in 4 minutes been more exciting than one whole bowl game.

Ya know, I just find it difficult to support any CFP. And the Bigger it gets, the worse it is.

Example: It is a distinct possibility that 3 SEC Teams and 3 Big 10 Teams could make the CFP in the same year. That gives you 4 teams that didn't win their conference and two teams that couldn't even win their own division, vying for a, so called National Championship. Ain't ever gonna happen??? Hmm, and when it does., then what? Certainly, Michigan/Bama was a fantastic game. And so was Army/Navy.

You mentioned 'exciting' so, just consider for a moment, what the quest for this Holy Grail CHAMPEENSHIP does to the rest of the season. Akron, Old Dominion, Vanderbilt and Wofford and we are still virtually guaranteed of a losing season and so, wouldn't it be a more fair indicator (more exciting and wiser, as well) if in the chase for this beloved Crown, ALL P5 teams could only schedule other P5 Teams?

No need to beat me up. I fully realize that I'm the only one who sees the CFP as pure folly.
 

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Ya know, I just find it difficult to support any CFP. And the Bigger it gets, the worse it is.

Example: It is a distinct possibility that 3 SEC Teams and 3 Big 10 Teams could make the CFP in the same year. That gives you 4 teams that didn't win their conference and two teams that couldn't even win their own division, vying for a, so called National Championship. Ain't ever gonna happen??? Hmm, and when it does., then what? Certainly, Michigan/Bama was a fantastic game. And so was Army/Navy.

You mentioned 'exciting' so, just consider for a moment, what the quest for this Holy Grail CHAMPEENSHIP does to the rest of the season. Akron, Old Dominion, Vanderbilt and Wofford and we are still virtually guaranteed of a losing season and so, wouldn't it be a more fair indicator (more exciting and wiser, as well) if in the chase for this beloved Crown, ALL P5 teams could only schedule other P5 Teams?

No need to beat me up. I fully realize that I'm the only one who sees the CFP as pure folly.
I agree 100% with you about the scheduling thing. I have always thought it was absurd to allow P5 (D1 as it used to be called) teams schedule FCS (D1AA in days of old) teams. It is even more ridiculous to count wins over the FCS teams to count towards bowl eligibility. A 16 team SEC should absolutely require AT LEAST 9 conference games and all OOC games should be against P5 teams.
 
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The answer is simple, get better and prove we belong. 131 years of .500 football don't make for a very compelling choice.

College football is moving the opposition direction and de-incentivizing getting better. Instead of teams actually working to make themselves better, they just whined and cried until the playoffs were expanded.
 

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College football is moving the opposition direction and de-incentivizing getting better. Instead of teams actually working to make themselves better, they just whined and cried until the playoffs were expanded.
College football is simply following the rest of American society. When someone can't get what they want the standards and requirements to get what they want are lowered so they can feel good about themselves. Any criticism is labeled "shaming" and the critic is roundly denounced.

Let's be real; 64 teams in the NCAA basketball tournament is a complete joke, so is having 43 bowl games. The snowflakes have won.
 

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College football is moving the opposition direction and de-incentivizing getting better. Instead of teams actually working to make themselves better, they just whined and cried until the playoffs were expanded.
Playoffs were not created, nor expanded bc of whining and crying. It's happened because of money. Period. Well, maybe they cried about wanting to make more money.

Same exact reason the Bball tourny expanded. There's simply more money to be made. This is not some woke agenda or snowflakes getting their way. This is rich people making decisions to get more rich.
 

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Playoffs were not created, nor expanded bc of whining and crying. It's happened because of money. Period. Well, maybe they cried about wanting to make more money.

Same exact reason the Bball tourny expanded. There's simply more money to be made. This is not some woke agenda or snowflakes getting their way. This is rich people making decisions to get more rich.
Or...it could be rich people seeing an opportunity to get richer by taking advantage of the woke snowflake society we have become.